“I’m sure they said the same thing when Man City were taken over” Pundit cannot stop whining about Spurs

What about the Arabs? I feel for many of the Palestines. War is hopeless because women and children die, the innocent are dragged into it… But I have nasty things to say about the Arabs at Newcastle if the reports about the Saudi Prince are true.. Tappa isn’t banned is he mate? He seems to have vanished.

Billy,

1) The legal documents relevant to the conflict are publicly available. Anyone can read what they say and judge for themselves.

The Mandate for Palestine refers to the land as “the Jewish national home”. By the way it is the only international legal instrument with the word “settlement” and it recognises the right of Jews to “close settlement of the land”. These rights are enshrined in article 2 of the UN charter.

There is a near universal principle of international law called Uti Possidetis Juris- which determines borders when countries become newly independent from a larger empire. Can you guess where its not applied? If it were applied in the middle-east, Israel would be recognised as the legitimate sovereign in the areas you said are recognised as Palestinian land. Do you think that’s a fair application of international law?

2) Jews paid for land in Mandate Palestine often at rates way above the market rate. Yes Israel took over land that was abandoned by Palestinians in 1947-1948. Palestinian Jews were attacked from these areas by Palestinian Arabs and their allies and we defended our lives. Arabs who were willing to live in peace were left alone and now make up 21% of Israeli population. There were some rare instances of atrocities by Jewish soldiers which were always carried out by irregular forces not those under the control of the Jewish agency or later the Israeli govt.

3) Since you mention propaganda, did you know that the recent HRW report that accused Israel of apartheid didn’t use the definition of Apartheid found in the actual Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (which btw was written by the USSR during the cold war and can apply to every western-liberal democracy). It created a new one which isn’t codified in law that was stitched together from three different treaties. Also HRW doesn’t use this definition anywhere else in the world.

When HRW create a rule for Jews that isn’t law its antisemitism.

Anyway, this is a Spurs forum lets stick to football.

I was with you on everything except Levy. I think he’s done a great job at Spurs, even if some of that was more luck than judgement. But I appreciate the solidarity. We Jews don’t have too many friends in these days.

“Let us keep politics out of this”.. Followed by a 150 odd word essay on politics.. L m f a o..

Gerry Adams was never part of the IRA. He was part and leader of the Sinn Fein party.

McGuinness was part of the Official IRA and then moved to the Provisional IRA, and became leader of them.

When they were targeting army, police, mi5 and 6 thats fine in the context of the war. But I don’t agree targeting innocent people. But a lot of that stemmed from UVF and UDA bombings in Catholic areas on innocent people and them doing back. I’m not justifying the actions saying its right, but that was the reality of it.

It’s the Ultra Orthodox Jewish fundamentalists which were given their head by Netanyahu who needed a coalition to maintain power and a avoid facing several crimes.
This arrangement , now over , has set Israel / Arab relationships back to a far worse place than they ever needed to be.

Sorry ..won’t hound you out of your homes if you give us the land..In Argentina /Patagonia land is being acquired by paying off debt for land , whose debt remains an issue as so many rules have been trampled over regarding locals rights and access .
It all seems very dubious .
There are what appear similar practices though.

That read as a lot of Propaganda. We hound you out of your homes if you give us the land.
The right wing Likud government that previously created a coalition with with Ultra Orthodox Jewish Fundamentalist parties changed all kinds of rule to do with Land rights etc.
Of course I could be wrong and members of those parties could be the nicest people in the world..and of course the Arabs being the worst.
Thankfully Netanyahu has now been kicked out and charged with all kinds of crimes.
If you can’t believe the former leader of the country..
I will do more research though..because I fully accept I could be wrong.

I think the lines were pretty blurred. Were Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams members of the IRA and then became members of the Provisional IRA? Frankly, I don’t really care but what I do know that whichever group was responsible for the bombings on mainland UK did not discriminate when it came to their targets. In fact, the softer, the better.

The old IRA didn’t attack woman and children. The “old” was formed in 1919 and fought against the British in the Irish war of Independence from 1919 to 1921.

Then fought against the Irish free state (pro treaty) and the British in the Irish civil war from 1922 to 1923.

It was the Provisional IRA (responsible for the attacks during the troubles) who was a break away group from the official IRA was a break away group from the old IRA. Also the Continuity IRA was a break away group from the Provisional was also more violent in their actions.

Finally a voice of reason. Well done young man. I tried to articulate this earlier to Billy but you have done a much better job than me. It made my blood boil to read his cr*p. Which country in the Middle East would allow 21% of it’s population of another race and religious persuasion to form it’s political party? Try doing that in Iran or Iraq.

Lewis is creating another Israeli state in Argentina.

Of course it’s anti Semitic. McAvennie played for WHU whose fans are generally of the same persuasion. There was an earlier post by someone called John Hardman who is probably a WHU fan and is certainly an anti Semite. When I defended Israel, I was copiously down ticked and lambasted by other posters. I find it appalling how much anti Semitism is growing in Europe, particularly as it’s only 75 years since the Holocaust ended. The fact that there are anti Semitic Spurs fans out there sickens me. For the record, I am not Jewish and I loathe Levy, but not because he’s Jewish, he just a revolting human being and a lousy football CEO.

Billy you are extremely ignorant.

1) How many Jews died while the British who were only in Israel on the proviso they set up a Jewish state refused to allow more than 5000 Jews a year to emigrate to Israel between 1939 and 1945? How many Jews trying to escape the Nazis were shot at and sent back to Europe by the British? How many were put in concentration camps in Cyprus after WW2 for- after losing everything- trying to go to the only place that wanted them? I don’t agree with the tactics of these Jewish terrorists. However, attacking British colonial authorities was an attempt to save millions of lives and it was not the mainstream Jewish groups who were doing this. The facts are that the British authorities have the blood of millions of Jews on their hands.

2) Zero Palestinians are kicked out of the homes they own. Only racists think it is wrong for Jewish landlords to evict Arabs who don’t pay the rent. (If you are talking about Shimon Hatzadik neighbourhood, the Arab families have now accepted that they don’t own the properties and have been given a protected tenancy- so they don’t own the land and aren’t being kicked out).

2) The land under dispute is referred to in several international treaties as “the Jewish national home”. The Palestinian Arabs are not mentioned in any legally binding documents. The land is not acknowledged as Palestinian land.

“Money talks, no one knows that better than Tottenham.”

Given that Tottenham are known as a Jewish club and our chairman is Jewish , the “no-one knows that better than Tottenham” line seems a little bit antisemitic.

We took Gedson Fernandes on loan with an option to buy instead of Bruno. Levy always dithers or pretends to. He should have stared his own business as a professional goal post mover. That is something that he is very good at.

I don’t know Valencia but I have an English friend who was brought up and educated in Marbella who has just bought a flat there having lived in Madrid for the last few years and who loves it there. The one great advantage of Marbella is that it has a micro climate which is the best in Europe. There is a mountain called La Concha which protects this part of the coast so it is cooler in summer and warmer in winter than say Malaga. There are parts of Andalucia which are over 40 degrees in summer, for example, Seville, Cordoba, Toledo. Marbella’s temp at the same time will be low 30s.

They were an issue with Dyabla ..but I think they also had something to do with Fernandez ..we dithered and ………

Think the image rights were Dybala.

Cheers Yep London is a laundry. Always liked Valencia myself….there is a book written by a senior Jewish Theorist ( sorry can’t remember his name) that mention Patagonia..read the Mint Press..Billionaires haven’t got to where they are today by being nice..hey ho.

Valid points
ps I’ve seen the boy Osmosis’ YT highlights reel, very fluid movement and balance.

Interesting that you should mention Patagonia as the new Israel. It was actually discussed as a possible destination for Jewish refugees between 1917 and 1948 before the UN granted Israel statehood in 1948. As you are probably aware, Joe Lewis has invested considerable monies in Patagonia and managed to upset the indigenous people by denuding them of their water rights amongst other incursions into their existence. It is rumoured that the the IDF go there every year for R&R and training. Research Joe Lewis in Patagonia by the Mint Press.
It is extremely difficult to launder money in Marbella and Spain these days. You can’t make a cash withdrawal or payment of more than €3,000 without very good reason. I think it is far easier to launder money in the UK than Marbella and Spain. The drug dealers are here because of it’s proximity to the coast of Morocco. It comes into Algeciras and along the Costa del Sol to be distributed round Europe .Strange as it might seem, many of the king pin dealers are now spending much of their time in Dubai. Have a look at Daniel Kinihan as an example. It will be interesting to see what happens when the Dubai authorities get fed up with them.

Looks like Patagonia has been chosen for the new Jerusalem.
No disrespect I thought Marbella pretty much functioned on drug dealing and laundered money. I have never been.

The British troops were not particularly helpful in allowing concentration camp survivors with no place to go after the Second World War to emigrate to Israel which was the only place of refuge available to them after they had lost most of their families and all of their possessions during the war. Granted, there were attacks against British military during Britain’s rule of Palestine which ended in 1948 but this was mainly because of British intransigence in allowing bona fide refugees into Israel despite the request by the then President of the US, Harry Truman, to let them settle. For the record, Israel does not launch indiscriminate attacks against women and children, unlike the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah. As for your rather infantile remark that maybe they should create another Israeli state in Southern Spain, Marbella is a very cosmopolitan place where races of all persuasions mix without prejudice. In fact, I wouldn’t mind if the Israeli police or military came down here for a short time to sort out the drug dealers and other lowlifes, many of whom are British!

Thanks for the advice but I shall ignore it. You are critical of Levy with which I am in total agreement. One could make the point that criticism is the flip side of admiration.

I agree that this is a football site but just to be quite clear, I was replying to what I perceived to be a disgusting remark by someone whom I suspect is a WHU fan. I did not instigate this discussion. I have already outlined why there is much to admire about Israel and I am not Jewish but the growth in anti Semitism in the world is frightening. Consider what the Chinese are doing to their own Muslim population and to pro democracy protesters in Hong Kong and why are they in Tibet? Consider what Isis and their affiliates in the Middle East have done to the Yazidi population and to their effectively genocidal policies to Christians. Consider what the Burmese military have done to the Rohinga and to the Karen tribespeople. Yet, you hardly hear a squeak of protest about genocidal acts in these countries but when Israel shoots a terrorist, who does not discriminate against women and children, the howls of outrage against Israel defending itself is deafening. Pathetic .

That was informative , didn’t now any of the South African stuff.

If Ireland had fired 4000 rockets. How many British troops died while the Israeli terrorists created the state of Israel. Maybe they should create another Israeli state in Southern Spain. The occupation of land acknowledged as Palestinian by the religious fundamentalists of the Jewish faith goes on every day kicking ordinary Arab people out of their legally built homes on legally owned land…disgusting.

A few words of advice dont tell people who they should or shouldnt admire.

Anyway Levy is a proven master at property development and a complete fookwit at football. If only he could sack himself.

Let us keep politics out of this,while I am Jewish myself, I for one am not ignorant to the atrocities committed by the state of israel . Before I am Jewish, I am a South African. I lived during apartheid and benefited from it as i am white. But make no mistake ,the Palestinians are worse of than the black south africans beofore 1994 and Israel is an apartheid state . The same way we found reasons to make apartheid seem ok,is the exact same excuses we see around today by people who say what israel is doing is ok.israel helped South Africa make nuclear weapons and sold weapons to south africa during sanctions,the same weapons were used to killed 100 000s of black africans.these unclassified documents were released in 1998 by Nelson Mandela.Come to South Africa ,here u will find 100 000s of jews who are proud of their religion but care jack all for the state of israel. Once they change their policies maybe.

Grotesque..makes me laugh ..let’s like into the goings on of our own shall we crashing the Mexican economy Lewis with George Sorros..there are very few nice billionaires …oh lets not go on.
The hypocrisy is disgusting. If the investment in Spurs had taken place when it should , peak Poch , maybe this wouldn’t matter so much.
What the new owners of Newcastle have inadvertently done is show Daniel Levy up for the footballing inadequate that he is..the door is open the horse has bolted….It was Daniel who pushed for the ESL, an idea I believe he helped construct , a league in which results don’t matter , re configuring footballrather than accept his own incompetence, it was Daniel who opposed £30 tickets for away fans ..and it was Daniel who couldn’t sign Bruno Fernandez over image rights, never mind we got NDembele..
His shine casts no shadow, his words are not to be trusted, his arrogance outweighs his ability..Daniel Im Too Late Carry on up the Tottenham I’m in charge Levy…
Delusion Confusion and Osmosis all in the same basket.

I must take issue with your outrageous and frankly ignorant comment that Israel have murdered thousands of Palestinians. Apart from the fact that Israel generally only retaliates against terrorist attacks and seldom instigates them, they are responding to terrorist attacks on their homeland. What would the British Government’s response if Ireland had fired over 4,000 rockets onto the UK mainland, which is what happened to Israel between 10th and the 18th May of this year? Having lost over 6 million Jewish people in the last war, they are sensitive to security issues as even you can imagine. They are also the only democracy in the Middle East with an Arab minority of 21% of the total who have their own political party. You should be admiring Israel for all that they have achieved rather than denigrating them.

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