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These Spurs Fans Were Offered Nagelsmann Over Mourinho And The Forthright Responses Even Shocked Me

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I cannot emphasize enough that whilst the mood online is turbulent, these responses and those like them, in the aftermath of the vitriol, have become more settled, more reasoned.

Are the same people who credited Mauricio Pochettino with being a magician – because he wasn’t properly backed – really calling for yet another coach who will not be backed properly to be wheeled in? It seems that a great many are not, and see that the most pressing issues lie higher up in the ENIC organization.

As I’ve said repeatedly, the culture of a business never stems from a couple of delinquents in the loading bay, it all comes from the boardroom. Do you dispute this? Perhaps if you have no experience of this type of thing, then find a friend who has broader life experiences than yourself. For example, I know what awaits me… When I enter a Sports Direct store.

I think our next coach after Mourinho should be Timmy Mallet. Come what may, he’d give Chirpy a run for his money.

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CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

I think getting new players will help us anyway and would prefer not to have to pay Jose out. We need the money for the squad.

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
3 years ago
Reply to  makatiandy

There’s bound to be some movement, the footy business won’t just stand still. And then it would depend on how well Nagelsmann did with who’s left. As always though, it’s a throw of the dice, no one knows whether any manager works out well until they do or don’t.

Last edited 3 years ago by Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
3 years ago

Feeble. That’s an odd and interesting choice of word.

Paddio
Paddio
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

Unfortunately it’s been longer than that

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

Indeed.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  Limerick AL

Thing is AL, Levy doesn’t want expert opinion on what it might take to turn us into a league challenging side. He only wants to know what it will take to tread water and keep the bums on seats with the minimum amount of expenditure…

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

😂

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

I said close to top 4, yes I would say under the right manager we are top six so we might get closer to top 4 with a couple of players in.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago

and the Cullen bitch, too!

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

You keep saying 22 years; I think it’s just 20, in fact, Eastie, but,whatever, it’s been a long enough period to endure this torment, threatening to become eternal damnation!

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

I thought of sending him a letter with just the terse remark “Please F*ck off and take Grandpa Lewis with you!”

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
3 years ago
Reply to  Limerick AL

😃

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

Once people give up their liberty those who have taken it won’t return it.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  justin

The thing is, we will need to spend with any manager in charge to replace the wasters. Poch had a (relatively) young and promising Dele, Dier, Kane, Eriksen, Winks, Rose, Walker, a younger Toby and Jan, for some time prime Dembele etc.

Now those once promising players have either left or – in many cases – are still stinking the place out, now older and worse for the wear. If Jose’s comments are too divisive, Lloris has suggested the same – there are bad eggs that simply need to be driven out.

Jose’s way doesn’t have to be about signing players for hundreds of millions. There are good transfers to be had for reasonable money, like Reguilon, PEH (or Doherty, as it seemed at the time). But the overhaul is something that simply needs to happen.

It’s a fallacy to think another manager will wave the magic wand and make the same players somehow improve dramatically and eradicate the mistakes that have plagued some players for seven years now.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

Do you honestly think this is currently a top 4 team? As for the EL, we never reached the semifinal under Poch or Harry either – did we even reach the quarterfinals under either of them? We have form for undervaluing the competition.

We have a top attack, some decent midfielders (PEH, Ndom, Lo Celso) and a relatively poor defence (apart from Toby, 32, and Reguilon). Given the results of Chelsea, City, Utd, Leicester and even Everton and West Ham, we’re now maybe only just a top 6 side. If Arsenal and Pool get their sh*t together…

This is not to say Jose is a savior – just genuinely wondering where the improvement would come from with these same players.

Limerick AL
Limerick AL
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

East, Levy is never interviewed by anyone that will ask , tell him some Home Truths. When he sits at the new place he looks around and thinks to himself, “I am responsible for all this “, it makes no difference that the guys on the pitch are being handed their A%s%s on a plate to them.

Limerick AL
Limerick AL
3 years ago

You do realize that People are dropping dead in the streets, Death is at YOUR front door. Or something ?

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

They aren’t interested in logic, just money.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

The death rate and hospital admissions are lower now than in the summer when the lockdown was largely lifted. Yet we still find ourselves locked down.

All vulnerable groups have been vaccinated but the NHS and government’s refusal to give widespread anti-body testing to see who’s had Covid already, means that millions more will need to be jabbed up. This will be non-vunerable groups and people that have had it anyway.

The NHS and government have done a deal on vaccine supply regardless of it’s needed or not. That’s why they want everyone jabbed…

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

So true.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

If the team actually does better after the move and this improvement is sustained then everyone’s happy. The problem is that these stadiums are built with the football as a completely separate operation.

Look at Arsenal’s decline in status since leaving Library, the whole thing is a con…

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

Many of us saw the stadium redevelopment as nothing to do with improving the team, even in the long term. Two years after moving in and look where we are.

All so easy to predict..

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

Players are overpaid at all clubs, that doesn’t excuse managerial failure. It’s part of the environment, if it’s too hot then get out of the kitchen…

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
3 years ago

Like clockwork….reports of a “3rd wave” (PCR “cases” scam) in Europe.
….they’re going to move the goalposts agaaaain….if not before April 12th then definitely by October.
Football fans. It maybe worth putting the rubbish fanless overpaid player sport on the back burner and get our country out the grip of criminals?

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

However you look at it, and whatever we think of Levy/ENIC, we now need a new manager. There is no point in continuing to bang everyone’s heads against brick wall with Jose.

This squad may have issues but they can certainly play better than they are right now, how far that would take them is probably close to top 4 and certainly to Ropey semi final stage.

It’s not worked with Jose, so back to the drawing board. As we have done under Levy, 13 times in 22 years, in fact…

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  Paddio

I’m not expecting anything other than what I’ve seen over the last 22 years. Zero ambition on the pitch from the owners…

Paddio
Paddio
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

What’s actually gone wrong (and I know what happened in the last week). The news was that it was going to take multiple transfer windows to get the side right like at Liverpool. Nothing has changed since then, we are not going to spend 60 or 70 million on a defender (let alone 45), the way Enic operate isn’t going to change, players bought or loaned in won’t be manager picks. The club isn’t going to be sold. What are you truly expecting?

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  justin

Hard to see who we could get of any real use in Levy World.

However, Jose was a terrible appointment and a true reflection of how out of touch Levy really is…

makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago

If Nagelsmann comes in and Levy can’t shift players due to overvaluation, and Kane and Son go are we any better off in any way?

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  Terence Bailey

I thought Jose’s use of social media after a European defeat, where he posted a pic of him sat alone on the team coach. was the most childish and unprofessional thing I’ve seen from a top manager.

its all about him, when we lose it’s everyone else’s fault. Would that motivate you if you were a player? I’d just think my gaffer was a self obsessed d*ck head who doesn’t share responsibility…

makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago
Reply to  Tangangry

That would be the sensible thing to do.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

Thing is, Levy pinned his colours to the mast when’ve he said in the Amazon thing that Jose was the best manager in the league.

So what’s happened then Daniel? For things to be going so spectacularly badly either you are the worst chairman in the league or you don’t know anything about football.

Either way, you are the root of our current problems, but we fully expect you to go and sack another load of people to deflect from your responsibility for our failure on the pitch.

Please, please sell up, please please leave us alone, please please f*ck off!

Tangangry
Tangangry
3 years ago

All this chat assumes that Europes new hot young thing wold actually want to hamstring his fledgling career by leaving a fantastic setup at Leipzig to take on a disfunctional squad at a club that hasn’t won anything for nigh on 15 years under a chairman who wont let you buy who you want and will sack you if you lose a dozen games.

I think at 33 or whatever he is, I’d probably sit tight for a couple more years and wait for someone else to come knocking.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago

I tend to say something like that with certain people where we come out with the same remark and i say “great minds think alike, but what worries me is that feeble minds probably do, too!”

Terence Bailey
Terence Bailey
3 years ago

Clearly the players aren’t buying what he is selling. Actually I don’t blame Levy, the only fault would be failure to sign a centre back. The team needs a manager to give them confidence not one who is always looking for a scapegoat. Change now before its too late

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

Me too, I blame Levy linking up with Amazon. Every other club that did that TV series kept their heads, it’s just a crappy TV show. Perhaps Levy got all starry eyed and thought they’d sponsor the stadium? The whole thing was rather embarrassing if you ask me.

Onto your point about Jose; ‘his MO with which he achieved all that he has is unavailable to him at Spurs’ I would say it’s unavailable anywhere in the world these days, except in China perhaps?

Jose’s skill set just doesn’t fit with the culture of the present. Moan about ‘snowflake’ players all you like, it won’t suddenly make his methods relevant again will it… 🤔

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

The club are rudderless, it fell off down to a lack of maintenance…

ENIC OUT.

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
3 years ago
Reply to  justin

Ha! We appear to have posted identical thoughts simultaneously. Great minds think alike or fools never differ? I’m sure we’ll be told.

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
3 years ago
Reply to  Cali

Maureen’s reputation and win history is based on his being the highest spending football manager in history, but the MO with which he achieved all that he has is unavailable to him at Spurs so he’s new at this. Poch came in and created the best defence in Europe within a couple of years, the following season we finished 2nd, but he won nothing at Southampton and finished 8th. He did, however, look like a manager who could create a good spirit at a club and get the most out of a limited squad quite quickly. The only time Maureen came close to showing that talent was arguably with Porto; a limited squad in a Champions League context but one of the most expensive squads in Portugal; that was 19 years ago. Nagelsmann appears to be viewed as a Poch type over at Leipzig. I imagine that’s the thinking re the Spurs job gossip. He does strike me as a better fit, but as with any appointment, it’s ultimately a throw of the dice whoever you bring in, no one comes with a guarantee no matter their CV. I’m making no claims or guesses but if Nagelsmann turned up at Spurs I’d understand it; I’ve never understood, from any angle, what Maureen’s doing at Tottenham. The closest I get is the living in London & 45 million for 3 years perspective. But who knows? I’m still bemused by his presence.

justin
justin
3 years ago

My main concern with Jose has always been that it didn’t seem to match where we were and where we were going when he was appointed.

Poch – young manager taken from Southampton with a record of developing young talent and making them better. Could get results with a less skillful squad by making them work dam hard. He was brought in to carry on what AVB was just starting to get right when he was got rid.

Jose – record of winning with big name players. Why bring him in unless we were going to spend big? Also, many of our players are now at their peak age and their peak value including Kane and Son – if we aren’t going for the league and the champions league – are we going to let their value go down while we compete for Euro places and try to win pointless cups – doesn’t make financial sense.

Nagelsmann – has experience of the excellent setup at RB. They have a multiple club model that devlops players really well. If we aren’t going to spend to compete at the top level then we need another way to do it and that won’t be with Jose. The Jose way will involve spending a lot more in the summer (and we will need to be in Champions League to even contenplate that)

Tangangry
Tangangry
3 years ago

I think there is a future where Jose is sacked at the end of the season, maybe even before. if the team continue on their current trajectory then that could be as soon as after the League Cup final.

Like, thats 6 games away – imagine we lose 4 or 5 of them, play awful then get an absolute hiding by City – the pressure will be immense.

BUT, on the other hand, we’re 6 off 4th with a game in hand and Villa, So’ton, Newcastle to come. Win all of these and pull off a miracle against both Manchester clubs and no way he gets sacked.

This is the ludicrous situation we are in, the footballing press have short memories and that snake Levy will spin the narrative in his favour either way.

Last edited 3 years ago by Tangangry
White hot
White hot
3 years ago

Rodon and Tanganga, who I think should be our first choice CBs for the rest of the season, aren’t exactly youngsters and have international experience, while someone like Devine has complete faith in his own ability.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago

I’ve already posted, and as the blog got changed shortly afterwards, I don’t know who saw it, but to repeat, just recently after a win, a Spurs fan on the radio said that he had two heroes: Harry Kane AND……Daniel Levy! It really is incredible, isn’t it? The usual drivel about what we were like in the nineties! Well, we placed third in 1990 and won the F.A. Cup, still in its pomp, in 1991 – we’ve won just two diminished league cups since then and one of those was in 1999! We were pretty poor much of the time, yes, but we didn’t get relegated. We’re talking about a ten year spell, that’s all, and we’re supposed to be grateful and even ecstatic about what has happened since. Some of our fans really do need to wake up.

Incidentally, we achieved a new negative record this year, namely 30 consecutive years without winning either the league title or F.A. Cup, something we had never done before and that includes war years! There seems to be no limit to what we can achieve under ENIC and our wonderful chairman. Yes, other clubs have more money than us, but it hasn’t helped ENIC, in a phrase that a former chairman of ours is fond of using, pissing our money up the wall with the entertainments venue/ shopping mall, so that we’re massively in debt and even less able to compete in the transfer market.

The way things are going, we will have gone full circle under ENIC and after 20 years of their hideous reign we will be reliving the nineties!

Cali
Cali
3 years ago

Nagelsmann who? What did he win? is Spurs looking just a manager any manager if one of the best top 5 if not top 3 managers cannot sort out Spurs curse do you think any one can I can argue we may as bring back Sherwood and co instead of Nagelsmann give me a break please.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago
Reply to  DANP

I think a problem for Jose, where man management is concerned, is that the players overpaid – and soft now as a result – have become delicate flowers and you can’t give them the hairdryer treatment any longer. You have to tread so carefully not to upset the little dears. Too much player power now and, disgracefully, United threw him under the bus instead of backing him against Pogba as they should have done. (Jose didn’t help his cause by making his spat with the Frenchman public; except as a last resort, these things need to be resolved behind closed doors)

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago

Funny how a ground becomes dated, though. For decades Goodison was one of British football’s premier venues and then, with all seating, it became too small like so many others. Of course, they’re hemmed in by that church that is so much a feature of the ground like the cottage at Fulham.

Griffin Park, which was on the Heathrow flightpath, was very small. I went with a couple of young Birmingham fans to a match there and it was a really tiny stand we were in behind the goal. Brentford won 5-0 and the Birmingham fans were chanting “we’re so shit” and ” We’ve won the ball” (a brief pause) and then “We’ve lost the ball” etc.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago

Actually, I have done a little cut and paste when studying, but a while ago now and I don’t remember how to do it and I certainly don’t know how to lift it from one blog to another.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago

I need the book “Computers for Dummies”, i’m afraid. Am not very computer savvy and generally, a bit of a technophobe and even luddite, I’m told. I’ve only just started posting again because I couldn’t handle “Disque”! But during my lengthy exile I have been reading the blogs with much interest and some amusement. In fact, I read rather more than I post because others have often already expressed what I wanted to say and it’s not really always worth the effort just regurgitating. Thank you so much whoever did the cut and paste for me. Much appreciated

DANP
DANP
3 years ago

feel sorry for Jose. It doesn’t help with the constant interfering with team matters and even selection by Levy. Players that needed to be moved on years ago still languishing on the bench knowing they are not part of the managers future, same players as when Poch was there. Knowing clearly that they are even closer to the door and needing them to put a shift in doesnt work. there is no desire passion or commitment which results in what we have just seen, players actively throwing their manager under the bus. Even Delle doesnt want to be there was off to PSG but no Levy had to stop that and apart from a couple of good games against poor opposition as reverted back to type. Bale was a Levy signing trying to appease the spurs faithful and again apart from a couple of good games against lesser opponents seems to have struggled when really needed. An awful defence that needed sorting out 2 years ago is still struggling with the same cart horses. Personally if it was me and the way certain players have performed over the last week and previously and knowing I have probably only 10 games left managing spurs I would throw the crap into the stands promote some of the youth who at least would so hunger passion and desire and give them a chance. It aint going to do any worse than trying to rely on people who have just handed you your P45
We have some quality under 23s coming through such as Lavinier, ete, Scarlett, Dervine, cirkin, Markanday and others supporting Ndombele, Pierre, Son, Kane, Moura, Lamela, Viniscius, lo celso, Rodon, Davies, Tanganga, Hugo, Tobi, Reguillon. Plenty of quality and youth to see us through to the end. The others can go with Rose

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Problem is it’s not even a football ground, as ENIC execs said, it’s built primarily for NFL/events. The football surface is fold away. Players used to appreciate the history of clubs, now they couldn’t give a monkeys as long as the cheques clear.

Last edited 3 years ago by Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
3 years ago

Everton are next to be seduced by the mythical corporate stadium temptress. Bet their drooling over that picture of the planned dockside stadium…..they’ll know what a mistake it is when Goodison is rubble. A real ground right in the heart of the community….those grounds, like the pubs are being destroyed for a reason. Fight it now before it’s too late toffeemen.
Brentford celebrated their new stadium by selling their 2 best players. It’s all a ruse…

Last edited 3 years ago by Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago

The question is – can we recapture what we had then? Is it possible to rebuild the team and fill it with belief, making it feel, understand and relate to the great history of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club?

I would make new players read at least some of the history. Players doing repairs and other work at WHL in the old days. The conditions people had to play in (external and physical too). The great teams that delivered titles and made history. Maybe that would teach them a modicum of respect.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
3 years ago

More and more will wake up, only the budgies enamoured by shiny things are still behind Levy. Can’t believe ANYbody is still….
There is indeed a rotten centre. One comment above says 3 years, it has been about that since the real demise began…..just around the time White Hart Lane was demolished…. coincidence?

No. Not all all.

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
3 years ago

cut & paste is a wonderful thing 😏

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
3 years ago

Pitching young, untested players into the first team – and especially a struggling team – can have disastrous consequences destroying a player’s confidence and even their careers subsequently. Celtic, for instance, in the early sixties BS (before Stein) had lots of promising youngsters called the Kelly Kids named after the chairman who believed in the club rearing their own players. But it was very haphazard and youngsters were pitched prematurely into a struggling first team and subjected to criticism from frustrated and disillusioned fans on the terraces.
The result was that young players didn’t always develop and often disappeared off the face of the earth, their confidence perhaps shattered for ever. On one particularly memorable occasion, Kelly saw a young Celtic goalkeeper at a bus stop wearing his green and white scarf off to support the team and was so impressed that he invited the enthusiastic young fan onto the coach and put him in the first team that afternoon. Celtic lost 2-0 to Airdrie, I think, and the young goalkeeper was badly at fault for both goals. I’m not sure he ever played senior football for anyone again after that.
But, seriously,(after that rather bizarre and extreme example), young players need to be introduced gently into first team action, particularly if the first team is struggling and getting abuse from the terraces. Of course, this year there are no fans and so the opportunity is there to perhaps introduce them sooner in the less stressful environment. But, the problem with that is that when we get the fans back, we may need to shield them while, with their expectations raised they will wonder why they’re not being picked.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
3 years ago

Please look at my comments on the hazards of playing youngsters at the end of the previous blog because I don’t feel up to typing it out again and don’t know how to transfer it.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago

When Lloris feels so strongly about the team mentality that he speaks out to the media in this way, pulling no punches, you know it could hardly get any worse. More and more fans are now, finally, beginning to see through the charade.

West Ham, Leicester, Everton have moved past us and Villa aren’t far off, all through shrewd player recruitment. Nowhere to hide Daniel. Will you help effect meaningful change in the squad or am I to expect several more head tennis videos on Facebook as proof everything is really fine in the camp, and a token Ligue 2 winger on August 31?

The ball is firmly in your court. You always say you’re a Spurs fan; prove it then.

Last edited 3 years ago by CzechSpur
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