“He’s spot on” Mourinho gets some support despite abysmal performance

And he admitted it was partly down to him. Why are you deliberately ignoring that fact ?

My guess is he’s screaming at them to wake up because after working with them all week and giving them a pre match pep talk the fact they walk on that pitch like something out of Dawn of the dead would be rather frustrating to say the least.

he’s dammed if does and dammed if he doesn’t with fans like you. Had he sat there silent that’s wrong. He screams at them that’s wrong too 🤷🏻‍♂️

Absolute rubbish. He wanted both those two to go on loan but they both wanted out.. Maureen has developed loads of players at Chelsea Porto and Madrid. That Chelsea team had Terry Deco Carvalho Lampard Robben Essien etc he put them all on the map.. Drogba nobody had heard of until he was 25. At Inter he developed young. At Madrid he gave debuts to 17 graduates… At Manure he gave young a chance and stuck with the few he trusted.. The man is clever and knows his football.. He’s helped developed loads of world class players… Look at his CV and facts ‘are’ facts he knows what he’s doing… This is the kind of comment clueless casuals spin on twitter to hate on Maureen.

The players are most accountable and responsible above all. These are the guys out there performing. Still mostly Botches squad at the minute.. Anyone who knows football, plays or manages over time knows this. It’s also plain logic…. Using managers as scapegoats is typical in our media and amongst the majority of top clubs…. Look at watford sacking their manager every season, even if they did well they were gone… Look at Chelsea they sack even when they are winning… It’s all very well blaming the manager when it’s certain players who let us down. It was a much better second half and we were unlucky too…….. ‘Get a tune’… If only they were cars, if only it was that simple… Ndom for example, he is what he is, no amount of tuning or motivation would have made him step up… Lucas did step up… Its all about the players.

Because you can’t blame the manager when half the players aren’t performing…. They are playing, not him… He can only do so much… Its tough to judge a managers performance on one game. He needs to be judged on his work over a period of time. End of season after comps are finished is a fair assessment..

I’m not a Sanchez basher but I still agree that Rodon should be getting a few games.

Now you’re scaring me!

Their net wages are 2nd highest in the league though.. We are still above them… And we are above Liverpool and Klopp who you often bang on about…. And we pay more net wages than Liverpool now… I know net wages are important to you..

If all managers went to the chairman and said “it’s the players, I can’t get them going” and it was accepted as an excuse then none of them would lose their jobs.

Sorry it’s brutal, Jose knows that too..

Why above all? All of what? The bloke employed to get a flipping tune out of them? I don’t think so…

Of course the penalty is relevent. They took all 3 points with it! We also hit the bar and post…. Yes poor game, but we didn’t get smashed 5-0 did we.

Yes it is collective.

However, It’s surely not what you do shouting on the touchline on match day as a manager. It’s what you do during the week, getting into their heads, preparing them mentally and tactically. So Jose was part of the collective failings in that case, and he gets paid 15m a year ffs…

Exactly… That was close to our first eleven and far too many were off the boil… The players are accountable above all..

American owner? Joe Lewis is British, born and bred. Levy is also British. These two own Spurs…….. Alot depends on this season and next whether both Maureen and Kane stays…. I would rather be an optimist and wrong, opposed to pessimistic and right……. If we can win some titles and improve our squad then no reason for either to leave…. Up the Yids.

It was never a penalty. And it does matter if the ball isn’t in play.. I’ve been refused loads in my time for exactly that. Amateurs and semi pro players are even more often late going in. If Sanches was 3 or 4 seconds earlier then it would have been a penalty AND a red card because he was last man… The best example of the rule is corners. Before its taken a defender has his arms all over a player holding him, impeding him. You may see the ref warn him. You may even see a yellow card. But never ever a penalty…. Now fast forward 2 or 3 seconds and the corner is taken, the ball is in play everything changes. The defender is immediately risking a penalty plus a yellow, if the attacker has the ball and its a goalscoring opportunity then it’s a red.

Yep that’s agreed.

The future certainly doesn’t feel bright

It’s a two way street and in that presser Jose takes blame and also highlights key players not performing.

His team selection was an attacking one and throughout the first half he can be heard screaming at the players to wake up. He can do so much. Once those players cross that touch line it’s out of his hands. It’s a collective responsibility.

I didn’t say I would be happy with it but Levy generally does things on the cheap, & Benitez is out of work

Geez it gets worse

Benitez would be a shocker

I think Sanchez played alright yesterday & was unlucky with the penalty but its clear that when it comes to pressing & movement we can only do that against a certain calibre of team….I.e. Burnley, Southampton we just can’t do that against teams who are better on the ball man for man like Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd so the only way to beat those types is to catch them on the counter like we did at start of season but we are now unable to defend for long periods of time without self destructing… so by all accounts we’re screwed. One thing Burnley will give you is 100% effort & commitment which will often catch better teams out if they arent at it, this used to be a mimimum requirement for all teams but I didnt see that from us yesterday, it was as though many were saving themselves for either the cup final or Europa league…I wouldnt be surprised if Benitez is our manager at start of next season, he is used to working on tight budgets & getting the most out of a large group of mediocre players.

Interestingly France are number 2 ranked team in World football and current World Champions

Colombia are 15th and highly rated

We aren’t talking about internationals for the Soloman islands and Papua New Guinea.

There aren’t that many World Champions knocking around and we have two of them at Spurs.

Are they any good, that’s a different question.

So that was an attacking performance then?

Maybe worse than that, why aren’t the players listening to him?

I’m with Dilly and you on this one. Rodon has shown that he has good instincts and can develop into a class defender given time and matches. He certainly can’t be any worse that the sh*t storm that is Sanchez.

Agreed. I am still behind Mourinho for now, but if this stop start of good game, bad game doesn’t end then it won’t be long before I take up the cudgels for him be moved on.

We’ve played well against lesser opponents or when Man U went down to 10 and weren’t as good as they are now.

Agreed about the praise of Mourinho when we’ve done well, we Spurs fans have to look for crumbs of comfort no matter how small.

I understand the point about the manager being ultimately responsible for performances on the pitch, but there are clearly some commitment issues from some of this squad. Could they play better under another manager? Probably. They may be internationals but that’s not exactly the hallmark of being any good for some, I give you Doherty, Sissoko, Sanchez as examples.

Nevertheless, the responsibility always lies with the manager, but we do know that chronic underinvestment does play a factor here as it’s a consistent issue under the current ownership. I think the answer lies someone where in between.

There is no way we deserve to win that game, although lamella’s goal was rather wonderful. As a team we were played off the park, and looking at the standard of this Arsenal team that’s pretty bloody embarrassing…

I don’t think it was being defensive, he was being clueless. Who prepares the team at our ‘world-class’ training complex? Asking that question makes me a José hate it does it? No it doesn’t, like fans worldwide when the team plays poorly we look to the manager.

Conversely, does it suit your agenda when someone asked for greater accountability from the manager? It works both ways.

The point I’m trying to make Tony is that whenever a team is beaten that the players have to accept some responsibility but at the end of the day the person employed to get performances out of them is the manager. End of story

I don’t mean to revert to cliches, but Jose does not trust younger players enough. Never has done. He let Salah and De Bruyne leave Chelsea on his watch. He still won stuff so who’s to day he was wrong? But facts is facts…

I did say that in the “cackstorm of a performance” bit. We absolutely played like cr*p.

Did you actually watch and listen to the interview. ? Your comments suggest you didn’t. Your going to tell me that yes ! You did watch it. Which then tells me you’re in the Jose out club. You heard what you wanted to hear ignoring completely the part where he says it was also down to him.

Nothing like cocking a deaf un when it doesn’t play to your agenda.

Yeah but we played like cr*p.

Jose isn’t an idiot, he knows it’s his responsibility and he wouldn’t stand there and pretend it wasn’t. However he does talk a lot about individual errors and more recently that there are big problems that he can’t fix. If every manager was allowed excuse none of them would get sacked…

Much of what you say makes sense, however we have played well in patches this season. When we win and play well, everyone lavishes praise on Mourinho. When we lose, there seems to be this faction that turn on the players and refuse to blame the manager.

However, when you look around the world When the team doesn’t play well collectively as a group then the management is always called in to explain.

That’s what football management is all about, motivating, training, making the right selections. Mourinho came in saying how great he thought the squad was, now that the objectives he may have setting self have not been reached, all of a sudden there’s loads of problems.

Go through that team yesterday, and with the exception of Doherty who would you described as not up to this level of football? I’m not saying that this is a team of worldbeaters but they are all current international players and we were playing a team that I’ve hardly been pulling up trees themselves.

We probably do uni several signing, but all teams need several signings and displays are individually not coming up to scratch that’s fine, we all know where we are. However, when the team plays poorly as a group the only person you can go to is the manager. That’s his job and it’s what he’s paid to do.

The Jose haters who say he doesn’t take responsibility should maybe watch this.

He named our most attacking line up and could be heard yelling at them to wake up and push up – but yeah, you crack on and say it was typical Jose defensive tactics if you like.

The players have to take a large slice of responsibility for yesterday, but Mourinho did not change anything at half time when it was clear to see that Doherty was a disaster area and it needed a change. We’ll never know what Mourinho said before or the tactics he had them play to, and as much as I want him to succeed, it’s starting to look like he can’t do it. He has to accept responsibility for it too, but we know it’s not in his makeup.

This job is a poisoned chalice for anyone taking it given the perennial underinvestment in the team and the bargain basement buying of N’whatevers etc. I’m sure there would be candidates who would jump at the role, but can they polish this bunch of turds?

This is total nonsense. It was a nailed on penalty and Lamela deserved the 2nd yellow for hitting the Arsenal player. It doesn’t matter if it was accidental. If you endanger the safety of an opponent that’s a yellow card. Anyone else who thinks differently doesn’t understand the laws of the game.

All of this is a sideshow and distraction from the cackstorm of a performance yesterday. Until Lamela was sent off there were no leaders and no one trying to play, except by Lamela in isolated flashes. Once Lamela was gone suddenly Kane and Moura sprang to life.

This defeat tells us quite a lot about the midfield and that we have no play makers or players who can dictate ball movement. NDombele is a good player but he’s no Moussa Dembele. Sissoko is, well, Sissoko. Hojbjerg is a great defensive midfielder but he can only be effective if he can distribute it to someone who can do something with the ball. Bruno Fernandes, anyone??

As for Doherty, I could write a whole dissertation on how bad he is. But it was really disappointing to see Mourinho not yank him off at half time. A massive failure in his part there. Either Aurier or Tanganga would’ve been better.

Sanchez is too brittle and prone to that sort of error, so why does Mourinho continue to play him. Rodon is raw, but he is certainly a talent, but he won’t get better by not playing. Give him a chance.

Unfortunately, yesterday was a case of opportunity knocking on our door and we were were not in. Typical Spurs.

Mourinho blames the performance from senior players and at one level he is correct. However, he set the tone himself by playing in such a defensive way and our players with flair couldn’t get into the game. He always heaps the blame for a truly awful performance on the players but will never accept criticism for his management style. The sooner the guy gets sacked the better. We will probably lose our magnificent Harry Kane at the end of the season and I do not want Mourinho to oversee a team build with the money we get for him. I wouldn’t be sorry to see Levy and our American owner leave as well.

The Goons totally outplayed us.

The Manager couldn’t lift the players before the game, during the game he shouted at them and they ignored him. He didn’t recognise/deal with the serious issues on the right.

The Goons hit the bar and the post, whilst we sat back and let them play.

Was it a penalty is irrelevant, they attacked us and got what they deserved.

We were poor, the players on the pitch were poor and the manager yet again against reasonable opposition failed.

Excuses pour in again for the coach when we played like sh*te. Ref, players, direction of the flipping wind?

Even if the team lacks quality in certain positions etc, a cohesive team performance is the basic requirement and the buck stops with the management. Not in Jose’s case? Why, someone explain? 🤔

Rodon was played at Chelsea, 0-0, he should be given an extended run , Docherty has been a constant Embarrassment . Will Kane travel to Zagreb ? if he is on the plane then we the jokes on us .

When H said Spurs were 15/8 I raised an eyebrow. The ref performance could be explained by that. Tottenham were touted as likely winners, I didn’t expect anything but 3 points, but the odds were stretched out anyway to tempt punters in….it’s one of the signs that wonkyness is involved.

One non sensical notable absentee I would have installed immediately at the heart of our defence is the highly rated commanding Rodon. I don’t get it!!