Home » Dele, Moura, Lamela and Kane All Start, Lo Celso + Ndombele On The Bench: | graphic
Dele, Moura, Lamela and Kane All Start, Lo Celso + Ndombele On The Bench: | graphic
By Harry Hotspur -

This is a big game and the white noise Mourinho haters have only served to make it that way. So let’s get stuck in and progress.

Mislav Oršić scored a brace in Zagreb’s last game and netted the opener in the Croatian side’s previous Europa League game home match. Harry Kane scored either side of half-time in the first leg, the England captain’s second brace in his last three games.

A 2-0 defeat in the first leg must have felt unusual for Croatian champions Dinamo Zagreb, who have won five of their previous six games ‘to nil’, and registered six clean sheets from their eight UEFA Europa League games prior. Still, a 2-0 deficit is not impossible to overcome, and Zagreb is unbeaten in 15 of their last 16 European home games… it’s a big game!

José Mourinho is going for the kill here and quite frankly I love him for it. Silverware is not our enemy!

Tags NewsNow
501 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Lilywhitesmurf
Lilywhitesmurf
8 months ago

If he was managing Chelsea he would have been fired already..we cant even get that right…let night has to be the final straw surely.

Pablito
Pablito
8 months ago

I’m so fed up with the lot of them. Players, coaches and management. It’s all well and good giving interviews after the game saying how disgraceful, pathetic, sad etc. the performance was. Why didn’t they do something about it on the pitch? Empty words. I didn’t see one player screaming at anyone else out there to wake themselves up, pull their finger out and step the f**k up. Instead, as always, it’s passive, quiet, nicey nicey until it’s too late. That goes for the players, coaches and management. No in game reaction when things are so obviously not working is an indictment on them all. No professional pride. No passion. Mourinho as coach should be screaming for a reaction on the pitch during the game. Lloris as captain should be screaming for a reaction on the pitch during the game. Players should be calling each other out on the pitch during the game. Ignoring it when you can do something about it in the moment and then calling it out in interviews after the game when it’s too late is disrespectful to the club and fans. They are all a disgrace.

Legoverlass
Legoverlass
8 months ago

I don’t think I have ever heard a more damning criticism of fellow teammates than Lloris stated in his after match interview. He states that the players are not playing as asked and that a number are not showing the desire to play for the team, Who do we think in particular he is talking about ? I would go with Ali, Aurier, Sissoko, Winks, Davies, Ndombele.Bale, Dier

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  Legoverlass

Hardly conducive to boosting team morale sadly symptomatic of the dysfunctional team being in total disarray with everybody pulling in different directions!!

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago

Slam the players as much as you like but surely ultimately the buck stops with the manager?? Cheers

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago

Building team morale and spirit is the managers job.

I think history again repeats..

Hasnt the atmosphere at previous clubs been labelled as toxic

This is one man’s doing, player man management and forever blaming players has led to this.

The Jose supporters have a huge blind spot, that’s he’s a winner, that was always at a huge cost.

The problem is when he doesnt and he does it Jose way you are left with this.

I can’t see how it recovers this situation

Last edited 8 months ago by Dannyboy
StuSpur
StuSpur
8 months ago

Things have been awful in the past. Shit players, bad coach, bad football. What kept the smallest flame of honour was that we are Tottenham Hotspur, WHL, the old stadium with its history, its character and stories.

Now I don’t have the feeling, not in the same way anyway.
We are Tottenham hotspur in name alone. THFC PTY Ltd. A shit team playing garbage football and when the manager goes someone else will enter that soulless concrete and steel monstrosity

When the embers die down. What is left of our beloved club?

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
8 months ago

Just seen Mourinho’s after match press conference. Boy does he look royally peed off.

Not happy and I don’t blame him. Basically said that as head coach he is not able to say publicly what he really thinks of the players.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

You don’t blame him for anything? 🤔

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
8 months ago

Lloris calling out the whole dressing room. Glad I’m not on the plane back to London. Hope the in flight movie is OK.

Dexter
Dexter
8 months ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

I missed the Hugo interview just saw it now. Jeezus, there it is right there. Disgrace.

justin
justin
8 months ago

How long since Jose has got more out of a set players than expected of him? Not since Porto? He has done exactly as well as expected with multimillion pounds squads and occasionally, even with these squads, he has messed up and left part-way through the season.

Levy has a history of getting rid of managers who were doing better than Jose.

This serial winner stuff is pure fluff. Comparing managers trophies is very difficult as some managers just come in to keep teams from going down and some managers are brought in and given 1 billion to buy the league. You have to instead look at whether players are improving, the style of performances, and whether they are managing to get good finishes with squads full of holes (poch).

Levy made the biggest mistake of his career getting rid of a manger that was able to take the squad he did to a champions league final. Even getting into the champions league at all while spending less than teams 10 places below him was an achievement. He made Levy look good and instead of looking after the golden goose he swapped it for a flashy Ferrari he couldn’t afford to fill up with petrol.

Dexter
Dexter
8 months ago
Reply to  justin

You’re absolutely right Justin. I see José is a great manager, but only when he’s backed up by mega wonga.
Harry H will disagree, but Poch was a far superior gaffer because Poch is 10 times the football coach than José will ever be. José manages big money names – Poch coaches players to collectively reach their potential. He didnt win anything with us, but before Mourinho gets slung out, Poch will have achieved a damn sight more.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  Dexter

Come on, let’s agree Poch came to the end of his cycle – he was done by the end.

Say we should have hired somebody else but please see we couldn’t have ‘persevered’ with Poch

Dexter
Dexter
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

You miss the point. Everyone and anyone who mans the helm under this regime will come to the end of his cycle very quickly. Their cycles will lose their wheels time and again. Levy has been found out by the world of football. Last night he looked a fool to his peers. The manager didn’t look a fool, he looked defeated by everyone around him, up to the top floor. Like a fatally wounded MI6 agent wondering why the hell he he joined up when Boris was his handler.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago

Disaster.. Winks Dele Dier Davies Sissoko,, get all these Botch players gone. They don’t have the skill or the mentality, or both… Not worthy of their shirts.

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
8 months ago

How much would get for that job lot and wheres the money to replace them with better quality players? It’s Groundhog day every day.

justin
justin
8 months ago

Why has Dier got so many games under Jose? Why has Winks got any games this season at all? He has been hiding for at least the last two years. How can Jose not see Winks trying to actually hide behind the opponents when we are in possession? How can he not see Dier is not a premier league defender at all and isn’t going to be one?

Why on earth is Delle at the club still? The only way his value would go up would be loaning him to a flash club in an average division like PSG where he can do flicks and overhead kicks and play with all style no substance.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  justin

One of my biggest gripes is why Rodon who Jose apparently rates highly is not already a permanent fixture of the side? Many things are confusing and this is just one of them!

Last edited 8 months ago by David Dillenberg
Nike
Nike
8 months ago

It’s all very confusing.
Why did Ndombele not start? He barely broke a sweat on Sunday.
Why did Regi not start?. He’s a young lad, surely he can cope with plaing midweek.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  Nike

Yep, why did Doherty play in a position he couldn’t cope with in the NLD? Lots of it is fairly bizarre, has to be said.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

As bad as he is in fairness to Doherty pacey Tierney has most full backs on toast!

Last edited 8 months ago by David Dillenberg
Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

Where does Levy go from here…bringing in a serial winner that cant win under his stewardship must be the lowest point from his 14 odd managers in 20 years whilst charging the most expensive tickets in Europe…and, after finding another 300-400m to finish his vanity project couldn’t find another 5m to get the likes of Bruno or Dybala over the line….

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago

Where Levy goes from here is either sacking Mourinho now and putting Ledley King in charge until the end of the season or likely deferring the decision until the end of the season!

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago

My goodness

I love Ledders but you can’t put him in charge.

I can see it now, a telephone ringing in Sandbanks, “Hello Sandra, Is Harry there”

“No Mr Levy, he’s just taken the dog to the bank”

makatiandy
makatiandy
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Lovely. Says it all, really.

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
8 months ago

Fair does though to Daniel when Mourinho asked for Fernandes the chairman went and got him.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

Nah he arrived before didn’t he?

Nike
Nike
8 months ago

Interesting post match interview with Lloris. Seems to be pointing the finger at issues within the squad and players not shiwing enough team spirit both in training and in matches. Suggesting that those not usually in the XI are sulking rather than trying their damndest to get back in the team.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Nike

Very

He eludes to the fact that in the past there was great spirit in the squad but there isn’t now.

That in itself is damning.

The same thing happened a few years ago at Man U. Hmmmm maybe a common denominator

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

…was the team spirit great in late Poch times?

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

I can’t remember it being as poor as it is today

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Losing 2-7 at home certainly makes me think the issues with togetherness, squad cohesion and team spirit began before Jose came.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  Nike

Snowflakes like these need to go.

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
8 months ago

We’re living in a fancy mansion on a hill. With marble halls and chandeliers.

And do you know what we’re eating for breakfast lunch and supper?

POTNOODLE.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

Asdas in house no frills pot noodle.

legoverlass
legoverlass
8 months ago

If Jose is jettisoned would Sacramento step up to the plate?

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
8 months ago
Reply to  legoverlass

Deck chairs on the Titanic.

Cali
Cali
8 months ago

Well you play Winks Dele Dier and you think you gonna win I doubt it.2 questions why Jose did not star strong team to score 1 goal to qualify?and then after that rest who he wants,2nd question where we gonna go from here cause it is hopeless ?who will leave Jose, Kane, Son, Lloris may be Levy or the rest of the team? Wait and see cause doing the same thing from season to season and expecting different outcome makes no sense and there is something fundamentally rotten in this club and it needs to be routed out in my opinion Micky Mouse cup I don’t think is enough even if that is big if we win it.

makatiandy
makatiandy
8 months ago
Reply to  Cali

My thoughts about that first goal.

CowSpurs
CowSpurs
8 months ago

Well, that was terrible (again). A week ago we rinsed them and now we get turned over. To not control that game, against a mediocre opposition is somewhat embarrassing (again). One more nail to go (v City) and I can’t see Jose surviving. Where that leaves us is not worth thinking about. I never thought for a second we would win this Europa Lg, but neither did I think we could lose to Zagreb.

Winning a Cup would be an unbelievable finish to a truly forgettable season, but the cracks are clear to see, even under flock wallpaper. I honestly don’t know which manager would have done better with the players we have, maybe Christian Gross! But we did beat City this season and got to the top of the league (so did Southampton and a host of other clubs), but we just do not have enough quality to keep the ball. I can’t blame Jose for that. His style of play though is awful, I don’t care how many goals we have scored, that is not on him. We have the finest striker in a generation (2 generations), of course we scored goals. Jose said he was going to get Kane to explode. That is ironic because most of that squad needs blowing up! I don’t know what our plan of attack is, nor our plan of defense and the midfield creativity has been non existent this season. Kane and Son have carried the team for 2 seasons now and got nothing to show for it, apart from Son’s cadet of the week certificate!

Kane is a class above and I am going to enjoy watching every last minute of this season with him in the shirt we love. Is there any conceivable way he will stay? Will Jose be given £300m to spend? Fanciful thinking. I love how the media have him as too old and injury prone to now move to a big club.

We all love Spurs, but is this as good as it should be?

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

Different players… Dele dier winks davies sissoko, none of Botches lot can be trusted. They seem broken mentally.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago

They are jose’s lot now and he keeps playing them

In our biggest game of the season they all started.

They don’t pick themselves, the Manager does.

That sounds like stupidity to me

Last edited 8 months ago by Dannyboy
East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago

’Botches lot’ doesn’t include Kane, Son, Toby and Lucas I take it? 🤔

makatiandy
makatiandy
8 months ago

Winks came through the system, no transfers so what does any manager do? Play who is available. Winks has asked to go, Dele wanted to go. Still there. Loris’s presser was effectively an exit speech.

makatiandy
makatiandy
8 months ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

The real issue is does Levy back Jose and sell Kane Dele Son Loris Winks Dier Davies Aurier et al to finance a rebuild of sorts with experienced highly paid winners?
And no sell on value with this sort.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago

I would say that this all serves Levy right, but, then I would be pretending he actually gives a sh*t…

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago

Clutching at straws, running out of excuses, no where to hide Jose Mourinho apologised to the Tottenham fans and said his players failed “at the basics of life” after they threw away a 2-0 lead to be knocked out of the Europa League by Dinamo Zagreb.

Failed “at the basics of life” – Discuss?

Pablito
Pablito
8 months ago

Accepting you have to work hard to succeed is a basic of life. We failed and continue to fail.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago

They keep forgetting these fixtures are competitive

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

desire – thrive to be better – go all out to succeed – win at all costs ….im talking about Levy when he reads his profit & loss sheet…

How could the players not want to win this game giving us a quarter final slot to a European cup that gets you champions league football and im sure most will be on for a win bonus….this stinks from the top down…

legoverlass
legoverlass
8 months ago

If I am a manager who reputedly is a world-class winner and I am being paid £15 million pounds per annum then I would respectfully suggest that it is my primary responsibility as that manager to instill into my team (both on and off the pitch) a winning attitude and mentality.He has been there over a year and half now. It is not like he has just walked through the door. What we have seen against Arsenal and now Dynamo appears to be a collapse of any motivation or desire to play for the club. It is very strange that it follows after a run of form and much more attacking performances with even Bale sparking into life again. What is very worrying is the fact that Kane to me in his last two outings looks like a player who knows he is leaving the club that he loves and that he knows is not going to enable him to win anything. Perhaps that is something that is now known within the squad and perhaps Sony not signing a new deal is also indicating a desire to leave. The combined impact of those two making those decisions may have taken the motivation out of the squad. Of course whatever we may feel about Jose the real cause of all of this is ENIC and Levy. They have sucked the soul out of the club and this crop of players. Even Bale has fallen out of love with the club I feel and that is a damning indictment of all that is wrong at THFC.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  legoverlass

100%. Nobody is absolving Mourinho of blame, he is the coach and will likely suffer the consequences instead of the players. But if Son and Kane by now know they won’t be staying, it can influence their performances and that can rub off on the team. If the two best players are leaving, what message does that send to the others?

Just one of a dozen things that might be happening behind the scenes, and I can’t really think what Jose could do about that, even if he were paid 30 mil a year.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Maybe they are fed up playing negative football and the team continually getting outplayed?

I can imagine that for two quality attacking talents would be soul destroying

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

The two attacking talents are Kane (16+13 in the league) and Son (13+9 in the league)? That’s hardly soul destroying numbers.

In Jose’s setup, they became the best forward duo in the league. Unfortunately, much too often they are the only thing that works – and when we need them most, they often fluff an important chance (Kane at Anfield and several today, Son against Fulham and the marginal offside V Pool at home). Balance is something we’ve been looking for all season – and haven’t found it yet.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

True

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago

Attitude… Application… Win!

Pablito
Pablito
8 months ago

If we follow our recent pattern, it’s possible Mourinho will be sacked during the international break.

Dexter
Dexter
8 months ago
Reply to  Pablito

Mourinho will be sacked in the morning.

SimonSpur
SimonSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dexter

I can’t see it. It will cost the club too much. Levy won’t sanction it.

Ian
Ian
8 months ago
Reply to  SimonSpur

It’s not just the money who’s available to replace him ?

Dexter
Dexter
8 months ago
Reply to  SimonSpur

It’s not too much. It’s 30 odd M. If you’re Levy what do you do? You realise keeping Mourinho (which I think is what we SHOULD do) means accepting that the new-build is going to cost you north of 100M – if you can keep Kane and Sonny – and backing him – yeah right – OR you forfeit the 30, spend next to nothing and pass the buck on to the next mug to take the heat off yourself and your complete ineptitude. I know what Levy will do, and it will be at the expense of José and Tottenham Hotspur as a football club.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  Dexter

He won’t be sacked in the morning, keep your money in your pocket… 30 mil is alot when you include the billion pound plus debt and the uncertainty of covid… He had to rotate and I thought that team should have easily got the job done… These were mostly Botch players and deadwood who have to leave… Let a manager bring in his own players first. Levy had learnt he gave schnapps time and also Botch.. Maureen needs time too…

makatiandy
makatiandy
8 months ago

Why do you keep mindlessly bringing Pochettino into every discussion? It is pointless. Why are players not moved on quickly? Look at the Eriksen saga, Rose Walker Winks Dele all wanted to go regardless of the manager. Levy can’t bear the thought of not making money on a sale. This is a contributing factor in morale and every managers ability to do their job at Tottenham.
t

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  makatiandy

Good thinking. Players are moved on a season or two late, which means we actually get less money and are stuck with wantaway players who often play at 50% effort levels.

Rose is still around somewhere, which beggars belief!

Dexter
Dexter
8 months ago

Words escape me. I don’t know where to start. I’ve never been so angry after watching a game of football.

SimonSpur
SimonSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dexter

I’m getting used it now with this club. Same old cycle under Levy.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago

I’m sorry, but this team, squad whatever you call it IS good enough to compete against a manager-less minnow in the Ropey League.

For whatever reason, circumstance, poor fit, whatever Jose is not getting the best out of them. It’s got nothing to do with any ‘anti-Jose’ voodoo coming from the fans, who incidentally can’t even attend the games to polute the atmosphere.

The team that started against Arsenal was good enough to play better than it did, but it didn’t. Doherty (whatever you might think of his profile) has been slaughtered but he was being asked to play position he isn’t strong in and Arteta targeted that flank. That’s making poor choices nd being out managed by your opposite number.

Some might be bored with the ‘white noise’ of the ‘haters’. However, game by game, refusing to question the decisions, the way the team look prepared, the tactics etc (based purely that the guy has won lots of stuff a while back) is looking more and more ridiculous.

You can still respect Jose as manager and as a human being and also dare to criticise him, for the same things other managers get strung up for on a weekly basis.

He can only get a tune out of the team when they play inferior opponents, even if we aren’t going to pull up any trees, these players are capable of more than that.

He’s the wrong manager for these players and always was, and good luck to Jose trying to find a club that will indulge a clear out and a huge spend up on top quality 27 year olds ready to do the biz.

The game has moved on and Jose has had an incredible run over the years, but like many things in life (none more so than in competitive sport) certain people and things become superseded as the environment changes.

The root of all of this mess is of course ENIC/Levy, Jose however has paid handsomely to do a job and he hasn’t really done it even moderately well for any sustained period since he took the job. Perhaps he should never have taken it? Perhaps the fithy lucre couldn’t be resisted…

Kevin Freund
Kevin Freund
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

dont disagree – what sort of style or manager would get the most out of this group

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

Well, the club are still signing younger age group players as they had done Poch’s time. Mainly because they present both better value and greater resale value, so no surprise there with ENIC.

Therefore we need a manager that can galvanise a squad of good younger players. It’s what the last manager did and we got further than we have for decades. It’s the only way we can achieve anything with this policy of low spending compared to our rivals.

Let’s hope the football looks nice and see where it takes us, not very far with Levy & Co but it’s the best we are going to get, I’m afraid…

Limerick AL
Limerick AL
8 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

AL Capone.

Pablito
Pablito
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Hard to argue.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  Pablito

Trust me, people do! 😂

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Perfectly summed up

Absolutely agree

This nonsense about hating Mourinho, it’s rubbish, he was an incredible manager, but he is of the old school

There are better more tactically astute managers out there

There are better man managers out there.

Mourinho is outdated, football has moved on and the club was never going to be the right one for him.

Managers deserve criticism if they get things wrong, he has been out managed and we have been beaten my much poorer squads than us this season

Andrew
Andrew
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Yes agree but don’t you think this squad, with the exception of maybe four players, has shown inconsistency, poor attitude and lack of ability?

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  Andrew

I would say, a supposed managerial ‘colossus’ like Jose on the money he’s on should be able to sort these issues, certainly to an extent. Besides, how do we even know if their ‘attitude’ is precisely because of him?

Nobody knows, these are all assumptions but one thing is for sure, Jose isn’t even getting the basic levels going with this lot. Even if some of them are shirkers, I think he’d drop them anyway, if that were the case…

BobbytheBrain
BobbytheBrain
8 months ago
Reply to  Andrew

This was a squad that was top of the league in December and as short as 6-1 to win the league. The form since the Liverpool away defeat (we were the last side they beat at home) has been that of relegation fodder. Yes OK you may lay the blame at Levy’s door for failing to invest anything in two transfer windows but equally it is the manager’s job to make the best of the resources available to him which Jose is clearly not doing. The Europa League was our only chance of Champions League football next season. This is a competition that is open to be won; a route to the final was in sight. Jose puts out a back 4 of Aurier, Dier, Sanchez and Davies with a centre midfield pairing of Winks and Sissoko. I mean really. WTF? We got what we deserved – our ar5es spanked. The fallout from this is going to be ugly..

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  BobbytheBrain

The side tonight was ridiculous

He spoke of the players attitude, that team was a joke.

Who picked the team?

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

This.

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
8 months ago
Reply to  BobbytheBrain

Remember the recent Jose interview? He was happy to change players around so much because he completely trusted the players.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago

He was either being sarcastic and a liar, or he really trusts them.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

That was mostly our second string… All Botch players have to go. They are not good enough it’s simple…. It was close to our first team that beat them 2-0 and it was no walk in the park for them at home.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago

Kane, son, toby they are all Botchs players

I would also say some of Hosepipes recruits need to go Doherty, Vini, Burgervan

Makes sense playing our second string especially after the appalling performance on Sunday

Funny how the current manager who is doing a dreadful job is still getting let off and it’s all being blamed on the previous manager

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago

‘Botch’ players like Son and Toby that didn’t even play tonight you mean? Kane emerged and became the player he is under Pochettino, get rid? Lucas etc, hard working player etc.

Poch left over a year and a half ago, Jose picked, trained the team tonight and you’re still blaming Poch? 😂

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
8 months ago

I have to defend the players here and say that although I understand where the “players don’t care” comes from, I think its silly. They certainly were trying to score for much of the match, and effort wasn’t the problem. The problem was lack of quality cohesion, in defence, in midfield, and when attacking. That equates as a lack of good coaching, training and drilling. It’s the manager & coaches job to instill those qualities in a squad both in respect of individuals and the team. I’d add they exhibited a lack of confidence too, which is about man management, and making sure players are aware of the task and comfortable in the role, though our players look anything but. To solve the problem of team chaos I look to the manager; it’s his responsibility.

I continue to look to him, and wait.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago

Devoid of passion and desire where were the leaders on the pitch?? There were none. Totally unacceptable!!

Last edited 8 months ago by David Dillenberg
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago

This

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
8 months ago

You know what’s sad most of those players will be still be here next season, still watching as a hundred grand drops into their bank account every week and most of the them don’t give a flying f*#k.

I expected a reaction after the Arsenal game. You know what that garbage was, that was two fingers up to the Spurs fans.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

Hopefully there’ll be some fans in stadiums to remind them who they’re letting down

Pablo
Pablo
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

I think the lack of direct fan feedback from the terraces is why this sh*t, gutless, empty-worded nonsense continues from the players. Blame the manager all you like but however crap he is or however little you care for the club that pays your wages, if you have the smallest amount of professional pride as a footballer you could not and would not put in repeated performances like we’ve seen in these last two games. Like other posters have said, they’re still seeing hundreds of grand fall into their bank account each month and are currently isolated from the true feelings of fans because we’re locked out of stadiums. If Dier, Davies, Sanchez, Lloris, Sissoko, Dele, Winks, Lamela, Vinicius (I could go on) are top class quality pro footballers then I have a 14 foot long cock.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  Pablo

Great save by Lloris at the end… He should have saved another too.. The rest were litter.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

So Kane is the skipper and he’s leading a revolt is he?

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Is this a straw man attack?

Wasn’t saying the manager is blameless but the some of the players have looked like they don’t know these fixtures are competitive.

Ndombele was a joke vs Arsenal and again today we’re 3-0 down and he’s performing Zidane-like party pieces as if he has all the time in the world with no actual urgency or directness.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Well, look how many managers are hired and fired and if that’s unfair then make some donations to their union.

I’m fed up with the constant shielding of the man by constantly blaming the players, it’s flipping job to sort it.

Signed,
Straw Man…

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

How can any manager account for Ndombele’s bizarre efforts in what are competitive fixtures the last two games.

Theres a bit of both going on here. A team of Hojbjerg and Kane mindset and we wouldn’t capitulate like this whatever the tactics.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

I do think there’s a mentality issue at spurs and I think there’s a bit of Jose meeting his match with us rather than it all being his failings. He’s inherited a wounded and weakened beast

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

True but his old school man management is a car-crash these days. It just divides dressing rooms.

Jose seems to make certain players the fall guys, these days the players just see through it and if one of those players has a lot of mates in the squad it’s going to cause problems.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Ndom is a Botch signing.. 200k a week for him is a big reason we struggle… The rest of these Botch players have to go… These are not our managers players.. A manager has to bring his own players in and build his squad… Like Botch was allowed to..

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago

Botch this Botch that…

i still I’ll want a refund on the code to 30m Jose has earned embarrassing us with his sh*te football for over 18 months…

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Close to 30m quid, for not winning anything and playing terrible footy. Just think about that,.. It’s very much a ‘told you so’ moment for many of us.

You just keep digging out ‘Botch’, while he manages one of the biggest clubs in the world and Jose winds up in China trying to rake in as much dosh as he can, before his has-been status goes global… 😂

makatiandy
makatiandy
8 months ago

When he had NO transfers for several windows? Wanted Fernandes, players sold and not replaced. “Be brave”. What did he mean by that. And we were serial CL players as opposed to last night.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago

Luckily Mourinho bought in Doherty, Fernandes, Vini, Hart and Burgervan

Phew real inspirational top quality players

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

<😀

Kevin Freund
Kevin Freund
8 months ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

stinks of player power- perhaps Jose knows it.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

Jose might have lost the dressing room, and not for the first time…

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

You only have to disconnect with a third of them and you’re probably done

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Don’t disconnect with third of them then, engage instead. It’s your flipping job…

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

It’s called management.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

The whole thread I’ve been saying he’s failing at it – I think you’ve come in half way through things here.

I’ve said Jose is probably toast because I can’t see him winning over the fans now after two mediocre seasons at best.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Second half of the season things have changed, he had them running through walls vs City and even after despite losing I felt the belief among the squad, the drive.

I don’t think the players believe now, barely any of them are fighting – sure they’re playing, but not with any real guts.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Plus the brand of football has been dull with nothing to show for it.

I blame Levy for all of our on-Poch woes, there is nobody else. Jose is just caught up in it…

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

The brand of football? I think it’s more he’s tried everything and nothing sticks/works.

He’s tried out the entire squad, a load of players in multiple positions, he tried all out attack (success vs United, embarrassment vs west ham), the low block (success against City, embarrassment vs Liverpool), he tried Ndombele the playmaker but he’s too erratic and again we’d drop points, he’s tried to work Bale in but again he’s not up to it against good oppo, he’s even tried out Alli again.

There’s something flakey about half of this squad and he hasn’t been able to shake it out of us. We let in too many goals in an open game, we get too fearful in a defensive game.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

Tell that to Danny Rose.

makatiandy
makatiandy
8 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

He should know it, been evident wherever he’s been even when winning things on a regular basis.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago

None of his sensational electric pace of 7 years ago Bale has physically gone! Yes whilst witnessing occasional glimpses of his brilliance to remind us of his halcyon days now sadly cutting a lonely forlorn figure he looks weary and finished!

Andrew
Andrew
8 months ago

DD, this is almost poetic but very true!

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  Andrew

Once renowned for his stunning freekicks (his one tonight weakly hit lacking direction!) and wonder goals from outside the area are but a distant memory!

Last edited 8 months ago by David Dillenberg
Pbspur
Pbspur
8 months ago

Players not motivated by this manager, same as they weren’t motivated by Poch in his last season. I have two major gripes about Jose; negative tactics and intensity against much poorer teams, for which he blames the players. And the fact that for such a serial winner, he hasn’t yet cottoned on that Lloris is a busted flush conceding 1 out of 3 shots he faces (on a good day). That Dier is useless. That Aurier is useless. That Sanchez, Davies, Doherty are average. That Sissoko and Winks together has never worked. Can Levy afford to sack him though?

Pablo
Pablo
8 months ago
Reply to  Pbspur

Cheapest option is to sack Mourinho. A £300m+ squad overhaul (which is the LEAST we’d need) is never going to happen. So just sacrifice yet another manager and keep ignoring the real problems. Without the quality we need on the pitch, what happens off it is irrelevant (from a footballing perspective at least). However, if your success metrics are not on the pitch footballing success then…

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Pablo

Sacking Mourinho solves nothing, as much as many won’t like to hear that.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

True but I’d have cheerful Harry Redknapp back tomorrow as an interim manger!!

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago

Jose being named our manager was pretty surreal in itself, so nothing would surprise me anymore!

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

It does solve watching boring rubbish losing football

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Admittedly looking remote everything now hinges on Spurs winning the League Cup final and securing a top 4 spot which despite the current crisis all us would probably have taken at the start of the season!!

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

I was very entertained when we went out of a cup at Colchester under Poch, or when we couldn’t beat Gent, or when we didn’t win away for a year.

But maybe under the next guy, Dele will finally become the 100M player some have always known he was, Davies will bomb up and down the wing like a prime Danny Rose and Dier, Winks and Sissoko will become worthwhile footballers.

Here’s to hoping!

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Yeah we played some very poor games under Poch

He got stick for it

And…… he got sacked for it

Tangangry
Tangangry
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Ship in the next sucker eh?

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Tangangry

I would love to be a sucker on 15m a year

Unbelievable money for abject failure

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

After five and a half years. Some wanted him sacked in his first season, as some do now Jose in his first full season.

He might well go now, but I maintain that on the whole, Jose’s departure and replacement with Howe/Nagelsmann/… without backing (replacing the unreliability strewn through the squad) will bring us relief in the short term and then it’s back to this place again.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Quite probably

Most fans want to see attacking good football, thats certainly what i want to see and what i enjoy watching.

Its hard enough with kids to be able to sit down and watch a game, but every time i do i end up so thoroughly bored and totally disillusioned.

I can’t stand watching negative boring football, it doesn’t excite me and i lose total interest.

Sadly i am one of footballs dreamers, be entertained, be wowed, see some heart and spirit and hopefully see us win.

Winning trophies by playing horrible football doesnt interest me or appease me. I appreciate the game is about winning and at all costs, but personally for me its not.

That’s why i can’t take to Mourinho and fair enough to everyone that can be entertained and happy with this.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

I don’t know about most fans. I saw attacking football under Poch and Redknapp and it was very nice. I was proud that we played “the best football in England”, but we won nothing. Not a single cup playing that style of football. How is that possible, if even Wigan, Birmingham, Swansea got one during that time?

The answer is what troubled Poch and troubles Jose – a lack of grit/passion/desire when it matters most. That comes from the top, so any coach will struggle with that.

I just want us to win a cup, any cup, just to see if that can help the weakness disappear. Poch said winning a cup won’t change our lives, which was stupid, I thought, but let’s put that to the test.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

I would love Spurs to win a trophy, i think we are further from winning a trophy than we have been in years.

That’s being said with us in a cup final next month, even the most optimistic of fans would struggle to truly believe that we can win it.

Maybe, football does throw out funny results, on current form and attitude not a hope in hell

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Our inconsistency may work in our favour – I genuinely don’t know if a dominant attacking Spurs shows up or this complacent crock of sh*te. We will need more than a fair share of luck to beat City anyway.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Simply put given our modest possession surely the only way we will beat City in the League Cup Final is catching them on a rare off day either replicating our home victory against City earlier in the season adopted in Man Utds 2-0 victory at City is by scoring first immediately putting them on the back foot, then withstanding intense pressure, ride your luck and see out the victory!! Man Utds classic game plan scoring early in both the first and second half was executed to perfection!!

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago

City shot themselves in the foot – they had four players on Martial and Jesus trips him in the box for a penalty.

They are also capable of imploding, but it doesn’t happen all that much. It’s telling when Mr Isgascoignegonnahaveacrack’s theory of the final being scripted is our best hope of success.

makatiandy
makatiandy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Do you think Levy understands football, as opposed to the business of football?

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  makatiandy

No. The state of the squad is largely his doing. The only tiny chance Levy can redeem himself is that he starts revitalizing the squad in the summer – and drastically.

I’m not holding my breath though. We had Paul Mitchell who is something of a master scout and drove him out with an NDA for his troubles.

As long as we get a Gedson for every Bruno, there’s no way we can pretend to be a top side with aspirations.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

😆

Tangangry
Tangangry
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Unlikely

Pablo
Pablo
8 months ago

Something has to change. Ideally we need to change the owners. Never going to happen as they’d want money nobody would be stupid enough to pay to hand over the keys. We need to change a large chunk of the playing squad and upgrade the quality of 8 to 10 first team players. It would cost £300m+. Never going to happen with these owners who aren’t going to leave. We need to change the manager. It would cost a few million quid but a lot less than a proper squad refresh or the miracle of crow-barring ENIC out. Looks like what we’ll do then. Same sh*t, different season, same outcome. The definition of insanity. The club is rotten from the top down and we’re lumbered with it for the foreseeable.

Pbspur
Pbspur
8 months ago
Reply to  Pablo

Yep. There’s no short term fix. And it’ll be even harder for Mourinho, or the next guy, if he has to go into next season without Kane and Son.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  Pablo

Something has to change immediately it’s doing what Arteta has done mixing youth with experience. Rather than shuffling the same old dross drop these players when Mourinho could do no worse than freshening things up by playing the likes of Rodon, Devine, Tavernier and Scarlett plus other talented youngsters in the PL. Ok they may make mistakes but I can live with it!

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago

Can they though? Is it really the best course of action to bring inexperienced and unproven youth players into a heavily struggling team firmly under the spotlight?

After seeing the game today, I would love nothing more than to tell 15 of the senior squad to go find a proper job and replace them, but we might risk breaking the young players’ confidence before they even develop any.

Pbspur
Pbspur
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

But this could have been done gradually throughout this season. Would Rodon, or Tanganga be any worse than Dier at centre back?

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  Pbspur

Probably saving his bacon Arteta has integrated the likes of Saka and Emile Smith-Rowe with his senior players to perfection!!

Kevin Freund
Kevin Freund
8 months ago

There below us in the league

Notontheshelf
Notontheshelf
8 months ago
Reply to  Pbspur

But Dier is in the England squad. He must be good!

Andrew
Andrew
8 months ago
Reply to  Notontheshelf

Has Southgate totally lost it!!

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Pbspur

Dier is horrible, true. Rodon – from the little we saw of him – is a bit rough around the edges, so maybe he needs more time.

Tanganga (if I remember correctly) is mostly used at RB by Jose, but I think he has to play anyway, if he’s fit – and he has been injured quite often, maybe his fitness has to be managed.

But he gets a RB spot in my view. Doherty is mind-blowingly bad and Aurier blows hot and cold.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Now desperation stakes I’d take the risk by selecting both Rodon and Tanganga for the League Cup Final for starters!

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago

And let them get destroyed by City? No. Sanchez and Toby are a somewhat functional CB duo, so we should stick with them for the final.

But if we turn up with a Zagreb/Arsenal mindset, we might as well have a ST holder raffle for our starting 11.

Kevin Freund
Kevin Freund
8 months ago
Reply to  Pablo

Turkeys voting for Christmas

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

We would be no worse off without Jose, in fact whoever the manager is might be irrelevant. However, Jose is most definitely not keeping our heads above water, or whatever you might be suggesting…

Tangangry
Tangangry
8 months ago

Look, we’re a top 6 team who had couple of decent seasons while the squad had a bit more quality than it does now. One league cup in 20 years so this just another season. Same as the others, some good games, some bad games, no silverware (probably).

Anyone thinking someone other than Jose could get this lot challenging for BIG trophies is living in a dream world, need £250m squad investment, and thats just to THINK about top 4.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Tangangry

8th at the moment

Not beaten a team in the top half for months

Top 6 unlikely this season

Kevin Freund
Kevin Freund
8 months ago

My head hurts , forget off the field topics . On the field – a manager who talks in the 3rd person and players who look completely lost .

mourinho is a winner ( history tells us this) whether you like him or not – but he is so far off this at spurs- players know it , he knows it and Levy knows it tonight!

I think the club are at a Critical point of realisation – there is a war coming , there will be casualties

H – shine a light into the darkness

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
8 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

“Mourinho is a winner”

No, he ‘is’ not. The word ‘is’ is used for present tense; Maureen was a winner would be accurate. Whether he is still a winner has yet to be proved. The league cup final will provide an answer.

Go on the It’sNotMeIt’sThems!

Get real.
Get real.
8 months ago

I have wasted enough time on this club. It never gets better.

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
8 months ago
Reply to  Get real.

Thus far I’ve enjoyed wasting my time under Maureen far less than wasting my time under Poch, or Redschnapps or Jol; to name a few.

Pbspur
Pbspur
8 months ago

But thank your lucky stars, it’s better than under the “man in the raincoat” ?

Limerick AL.
Limerick AL.
8 months ago

Lads let’s face it, the players don’t care. So it’s Netflix Time. Getting too old to be giving myself a headache over this Bullcrap. Weekend at Bernies, the Directors Cut. 😇❤️😇❤️

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Limerick AL.

And that is the worst thing – they don’t care. The majority of them don’t know what Tottenham means. They don’t have pride, desire, passion. They are lukewarm, and don’t care if the club’s reputation is that of perennial losers. They keep their jobs no matter the results – it will probably be Mourinho who pays for this eventually (make that the second manager to be thrown under the bus by this squad – how many more will follow before we finally shine a light on them?).

I could excuse a lack of quality if I saw them really trying hard and fighting for the shirt, for the fans, for the club. But they aren’t, and that is inexcusable.

If they were really fighting, they would never allow in three against Zagreb. Never.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Poch got the club to a champions league final

He had us playing fantastic football and we were up there in the champions league places.

That won’t wonky

This is much much worse than under Poch

No heart, no desire, terrible football and no hope

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Did you watch the final? They lost.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Lord Croker

Only two teams can get to a final

I dont remember seeing Barcelona, real Madrid, man city, Juventus, PSG there?

I would think they are infinitely better than us.

That was a miracle we got there, the fighting spirit to beat Man C and Ajax

Incredible

Most of the players just rolled over against Zagreb

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

I agree. We played very well under Poch, until his last two years. He got us to the CL final, which we lost. He coached us to a 7-2 home loss against Bayern and, what, 19 losses in his last full season?

No heart, no desire, terrible football and no hope. You could’ve written that after Liverpool or Bayern as well. Or Colchester in the cup. The performances aren’t all that different.

The common denominator? I feel like I’m repeating myself, but this squad failed under Poch and is failing under Jose too. He absolutely deserves criticism, but he’s not the main problem of the club.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

My understanding was we got rid of Poch because he was a loser

We bought in the best manager ever who is a winner

18 months later his winning mentality and amazing tactics don’t seen to be working?

Must be the players as it’s definitely not the managers fault

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

So I feel like I’m wasting my time here. But one more attempt. If you read what I wrote, “Jose absolutely deserves criticism”, so there’s no point to 75% of your comment. I’m not saying he’s the best, that he’s flawless or whatever. He’s not, clearly, no one is.

It’s not working under him and it wasn’t working under Poch anymore either. He was sacked because we had been on our way to the Championship, hadn’t won away in a year and got trounced 7-2 at our great new home.

So if the attacking mastermind of a coach ended up failing with these players, and the coach that built his career on sound defensive play is failing now as well, largely with the same players…see where I’m going with this?

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Let’s use Man U as a case in point

Mourinho had them playing turgid horrible footbal, the fans weren’t happy, they replaced him with a championship manager at best in Ole.

Ole is not a good manager

Look at Man U now, those flops, they are now playing. They are playing for an average manager, he aint a great tactician, he hasn’t won anything, but they are playing for him.

That was after replacing Mourinho who couldn’t get them to play for him.

Tottenham have some quality players, they are hugely under performing, it would appear that they are not playing for the current manager.

Some managers don’t suit certain clubs and set ups, that happens.

I believe a different manager who concentrated on playing attacking football would have a better outcome than the current manager. The style of play does not suit this team, they are lost and confidence has been eroded.

I do fully agree that there are a number of players that aren’t good enough, but, doherty was signed by Mourinho and he is a huge fan of Dier. Both are probably our worst players, i think most fans and pundits would agree on that point.

Last edited 8 months ago by Dannyboy
CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

I agree with most of that – but remember, these players already had an attacking coach. They had a coach who was their friend, who backed them, an arm-around-the-shoulder type, and they didn’t play for him in the end either. They threw Poch under the bus.

Now they have a more defensive coach who isn’t afraid to tell them they’re not doing enough, and they’re not playing for him either (at least some of them – Kane and Son, according to their media appearances, are on board; Hojbjerg is too, one would imagine, and there might be others).

As for the two players, I was a fan of Doherty too, before he got here 😂 and Jose’s fascination with Dier is something entirely incomprehensible – luckily it seems he’s realised Dier is poor and plays Sanchez and Toby wherever possible.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Football is football

We all know there is not a magic potion, i do genuinely feel that this club is not right for Mourinho.

There is a mentality problem within the club and that comes from the very top. We have had so many opportunities to push on and the Chairman didn’t spend the money on the players we desperately needed.

The failings of the chairman have hampered the progress for Poch and i think he just ran out of energy.

Mourinho, was a punt, he is a very anti spurs manager, i don’t mean because he has a winning attitude but because of his style of play.

The fans expect a certain style of football, Mourinho doesnt care about that, he just wants to win. But when he doesnt win, horrible ugly football, just becomes horrible ugly football and 0 points. You can’t get away with that for very long.

We were spoilt under Poch for 4 years, i include the last full season as we got to the champions league.

This is the new dawn, the new spurs and this aint the spurs that i want to watch

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

I think I get the idea – we had good football which in the end always comes to a halt if the manager isn’t backed.

We were on the cusp of a title challenge under Harry and got Saha and Nelsen to drive our charge.

Poch did his best, got us into the CL several times, asked the board to be brave, (spoiler alert – they weren’t) and therefore was left out to dry.

Now Jose has much of the same failed team. He might not be the right manager for Spurs, but if we don’t back him properly (i.e. like Pool backed Klopp), we won’t find out.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Covid has changed football.

Clubs are not going to spend big money in the summer

Spurs without champions league and possibly without Kane will make it even harder to get the quality in and on a limited budget.

The squad is good enough to be challenging top four, the players have had an epic fail. Tactics are poor, man management has been poor, results have been poor.

Everyone harped on that Mourinho needed to win a trophy this season. That’s not going to happen.

We will not get into the Champions League.

To top of a truly horrendous session, Wet Spam and god forbid even the Arse could finish above us.

This has been a truly awful season with the worst football i have seen in years.

We have gone from the team everyone loved to watch a couple of years ago to this horrid offering.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

The squad is not good enough. Some years ago, it may have been, but it’s not anymore.

Lloris is aging and needs replacing.
Hart needs replacing too.
Davies is unremarkable and typifies the passive nature of so many limp defeats.
Dier has been here since the start of Poch’s time and has to go now, as he’s utterly failed to prove he’s worth a spot.
Toby is 32.
Sanchez is unreliable, but maybe, just maybe there’s a player in there (but a rash one).
Doherty is dogsh*t. Aurier is fast and strong but unreliable.

That’s just the defence. This is not to say Mourinho is blameless but the players are not good enough.

I also think he needs to win a trophy, but this is his first full season, and may be his last.

Klopp won the CL in his fourth full season and nothing before that. Sometimes backing a manager does get you results.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

The defence is a disgrace

But again, Dier is a favourite of Mourinho and he signed Doherty.

He told Man U players to target Sanchez in the Ajax game, so clearly didn’t rate him.

Davies for some reason every manager loves, Poch did, so does Mourinho.

Those players all play and none are good enough.

The issue lies that Mourinho sets up the team in a negative fashion, encouraging a poor defence to be tested. It’s illogical, play to your strengths, your strengths are your attacking players, but he is nullifying them.

That’s why the players are lost, tonight we let a poor side dictate and out play us. It was only when we were losing 3 nil did we then panic.

The same happened against Arsenal.

By the time we finally wake up, all momentum has been lost, we have spent the whole game on the back foot and leave it far too late to get back into the game.

Game management, tactics are all down to the manager. Yet again he came out and said the players ignored him.

If you are paid 15m and you cannot get your point across to your players and they are igoring you, then you are not fit to do the job

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Given the last league lineups, I don’t think Dier is Jose’s favourite anymore, and also, Doherty has been a failure, whuch everyone recognises (I hope).

We played attacking and got decent results, but also a 3-3 draw vs west ham and a 5-4 cup loss at Everton. The “negative style” is to use the midfield to help the defence out of possession, whereas in a see-saw match, the defence is always stretched on the counter attack.

We can attack Burnley and Palace, but when we do that against a decent team, we don’t fare well. Quite why we didn’t attack a poor Arsenal side or this Zagreb team, that’s another matter, one I don’t understand.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

That’s the nail on the head

As fans we don’t understand the decisions and tactics

From the way the team are playing it doesnt seem like they know either.

We have attacking players, but we are not attacking. Every time we set up with a negative mindset we have been beaten. We are getting beaten by good sides and by bang average sides.

The way we are set up to play allows the opposition control of the ball, allows them to build confidence and momentum and allows them to attack a very poor and mistake prone defence.

None of that makes sense to me

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Someone higher up wrote that Jose has tried everything to mixed results – attacking works sometimes and other times, it doesn’t. Defending worked sometimes and other times failed spectacularly.

This is what makes me think the squad is, at its core, broken. Lacking belief, confidence, desire, just drifting along.

Delmooreio
Delmooreio
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Exactly, no fight and they don’t care. The first game i ever went to spurs was the season we got relegated. That team had been on a downfall for a few years but they still made an effort. This lot have been on a freefall and couldn’t give a toss!

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
8 months ago
Reply to  Limerick AL.

I agree. The empty stadiums. TV wonga keeping the fake sport and its football clubs afloat and paying these players / owners enormous wages whilst other businesses go under. Maureen starting Dier was his undoing.

Notontheshelf
Notontheshelf
8 months ago
Reply to  Lord Croker

Should have started Ndombele and Lo Celso for Winks and Sissoko. Get an away goal, shut up shop, then rest Harry and Ndombele. Total rubbish tactics today.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
8 months ago
Reply to  Lord Croker

Thatcher, Murdoch, Jimmy Hill, Pel seating, Duckenfield, Patik, Brian Mole , Walter Jackson and other scum from south york’s filth started this nightmare and in the end this is what footballs become.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Lord Croker

Well said

Football is just a mirage and a grave yard of broken dreams

The winners are the players, managers and owners

In life football is one of the only industries to richly reward abject failure.

How can Mourinho warrant 15m a year, players 200k a week for that performance when we have doctors and nurses saving lives ona daily basis for buggar all.

Its a bonkers industry

Nike
Nike
8 months ago

How has it gone so bad? There was some genuine quality against Palace and Burnley and ok they aren’t great teams but have taken points of Utd and Arsenal recently. NLD was a bad enough but tonight was something else. Zagreb were there for the taking yet Spurs concede 3 goals and thats without any fans roaring them on.
Now it looks like the team aren’t playing for Jose. I know some of the team arent top draw but they are better players than zagreb. In the end it came down to desire.
So glad im still remote working!

Millspur
Millspur
8 months ago
Reply to  Nike

We do have genuine quality in the team. No matter how we set up we’ll still have Kane and Son. Bale still has talent as well. But it’s all individual talent, all of our best performances have been individual magic and not something coached into them. Not a system or a style. That’s what you fall back on when you’re not playing well and we don’t have anything to fall back on

Notontheshelf
Notontheshelf
8 months ago
Reply to  Millspur

They mosty don’t play as a team. Apart from Harry, the first instinct of all the attackers is to dribble. So easy to negate, defenders just corral them into a dead end and win the ball.

Nike
Nike
8 months ago
Reply to  Millspur

Totally agree, particularly when Hojberg is missing.
Definitely something is not right. Certain players seem to have regressed.

Henry12
Henry12
8 months ago

It’s not as if the Man United fans didn’t warn us.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Henry12

There are a lot of people in football who can’t believe we have been this stupid

Sadly history repeats

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago

Amazon got the wrong season for the documentary 😂

Ben
Ben
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Yes. 2018-19 would have been better.

Spurs EST.1882
Spurs EST.1882
8 months ago

Ok… So Jose player blaming again then

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Spurs EST.1882

That’s Jose

It’s what he does

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
8 months ago
Reply to  Spurs EST.1882

Why not? They were shite.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago

The commentator just threw Hoddle under the bus 😂

Limerick AL.
Limerick AL.
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

What is it with these buses?

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Limerick AL.

Watching buses is far more exciting than watching us

Ooooh is that a number 37, great, pop that in my note book

legoverlass
legoverlass
8 months ago

How can you start this game with Requilion, Toby, Bale and Ndombele on the bench.We just needed another goal to kill the tie and we sat back again. We had a formula that had started recently to work where we played our strongest 11 and then from the start pressed high and got control of the game. Then we revert back to a negative approach yet again, and we start putting back in the likes of Dier, Winks, Sissoko, Davies and we play at a snail’s pace with no passion or intensity. I cannot see Levy sacking Jose at the moment if he knows he has to cough up a ton of dosh to pay him off. That result has to see Kane and Son off in the summer.

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
8 months ago
Reply to  legoverlass

👍

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  legoverlass

Yup, get the goal then rest players should have been the plan.

The league is lost, top 4 is beyond us.

Ben
Ben
8 months ago
Reply to  legoverlass

Absolutely. José thinks it’s about him. It isn’t. His weak minded whining about player mentality after all these years of gradual decline in his outcomes at work thinly disguises the fact that he doesn’t understand the bigger picture in terms of team cohesion and collective endeavour. He is a rich clubs toy and the ultimate stain on his legacy is his abject failure to understand this and change with the times to stay up at the top.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  legoverlass

I struggle to see how things would change. We had Ndombele, Hojbjerg, Reguilon, Toby and Bale on the pitch in the derby and we put in the same passive sh-t as today. It’s an overall mindset thing.

The lineup had enough about it to score at least once against Zagreb in 120 minutes. There were “internationals” (or ex-internationals like Winks and Dele) all over the park, weren’t there? But instead of the fringe players putting in a shift and showing they deserve to wear a Tottenham shirt, they did largely nothing.

Ben
Ben
8 months ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

This is 100% correct. And is this because they are all weak minded and suddenly became terrible footballers in the space of half a season or could there be another contributing factor here?

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago
Reply to  Ben

Most of them are definitely weak minded, or they wouldn’t let Arsenal stomp them – no matter the manager, if you know the club and have any sort of understanding of it, you don’t allow that to happen. Much like what happened today.

I suppose it’s just poor coaching in your view – were they poorly coached against Palace, Burnley, Wolfsberger, or earlier in the season against City, Utd, Arsenal, Southampton?

Spurs EST.1882
Spurs EST.1882
8 months ago

So… Is the league cup and 7th really better than what Poch managed? Fyi… To win the cup we have to beat a side 25 points better than us.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  Spurs EST.1882

Poch was done.

The questions are:

  • was Jose the right appointment?
  • as he’s here, can he now change the direction we’re heading.
Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Nope

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

There’s nobody who can work under ENIC and succeed.

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago

that is correct

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
8 months ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

No

Ian
Ian
8 months ago
Reply to  Spurs EST.1882

Also remember to get to the final we beat Chelsea on pens then stoke and Brentford

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Ian

We just about got past the Bye

That went the distance

Tangangry
Tangangry
8 months ago

Another week of rage posting then 🙁

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago
Reply to  Tangangry

only tonight – then I move on to blaming ENIC again 😁

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago

Basically Jose saying the team aren’t listening to him

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Have they ever?

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Lord Croker

Nope

That’s a problem isn’t it?

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Depends if what he’s asking for is working or not.

Ben
Ben
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

All just adds up to faliure. As per his last two jobs and as anyone with a brain that thinks beyond pasting individual player stats in to a blog should have realised before now.

legoverlass
legoverlass
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

He is paid £15 million a year to get them to listen ffs!!

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  legoverlass

Absolutely

He is doing a diabolical job

Selsey Bill
Selsey Bill
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

“white noise”

Botch out

Selsey Bill
Selsey Bill
8 months ago
Reply to  legoverlass

There is only 1 of him. Cant get rid of a whole squad.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
8 months ago
Reply to  Selsey Bill

That is a shame

Maybe get the Women teams to take their place

East Stand
East Stand
8 months ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Can you blame them? They carried out his low-block for months and that got sussed out they asked to play a different way. The players and the management are a total miss-match…

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

stat: Lo Celso made more forward passes in 5mins thats Winks and Sissoko did in 70mins

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago

Unsurprising really. He’s a good player and deserves to be absolved of the blame, as he at least genuinely tried and fought.

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
8 months ago

I believe that Maureen has given Danny a lot to think about. If you know what I mean.

Ben
Ben
8 months ago

This was awful beyond words. A shameful performance which asks serious questions about how it is possible for this group of players to recover at this club. This is mid table for 3 years minimum type damaging off the back of the weekend. Kane and Son are gone in the summer for sure and I applaud them for it.

Ian
Ian
8 months ago

Please Jose just go now step down say enough is enough

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

ring ring…ring ring….”not now Daniel”…..

Limerick AL.
Limerick AL.
8 months ago

You have to give Zagreb credit. They kicked Spurs off the pitch in London, got away with that Penalty decision, got their Manager Jailed, and still won 3 Nil. Now that’s Magic.Lets Hopeman Utd go through cause we know The Arse will win it and get CL. 🙄

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

yawn…you lost me at arse….

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago

By itself, this would hurt enough. But we started our season early against Plovdiv, Shkedinja, Haifa, got through the group, Wolfsberger, only to surrender now, after taking a 2-0 lead in the first leg.

It’s been a long time since I’ve felt shame for a Spurs performance. Anger, yes. Sadness, yes. But now I feel the club has disgraced itself.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
8 months ago

I support Tottenham. Try it

Limerick AL.
Limerick AL.
8 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

No you “Support”, a club that was once THFC but those days are long gone, and they ain’t returning. 🙄

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
8 months ago
Reply to  Limerick AL.

You think they ain’t returning. I don’t think like you.

Selsey Bill
Selsey Bill
8 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

We were better at Old Lane blud

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

120mins to get 1 goal…

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
8 months ago

…..starring Bruce Willis as Harry Kane……and Meryl Streep as Jose mourinho…

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

the “musical version in technicolor”

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
8 months ago

😀

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

What has annoyed me about Jose is keeping Hugo as captain..he had a chance to change it and didn’t..

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
8 months ago

THAT’S what’s annoyed you???!!!!

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

🤣

Elevenstonedidiots
Elevenstonedidiots
8 months ago

The last 2 performances suggest the players are throwing Jose under a bus.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
8 months ago

Well, he parked it…

Kevin Freund
Kevin Freund
8 months ago

Thankfully it’s parked , nothing worse than missing it .

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago

then sack the lot of them…the whole things a disgrace

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
8 months ago

Opened a can of joke worms there😬

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
8 months ago

I’m starting to believe CERN smashing them atoms together has really messed something up in reality.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
8 months ago

This is a disaster. Absolutely disgusting from the entire setup. It’s over.

Dier, Dele, Winks, Davies, Sissoko have to go, as a bare minimum. I’m of a mind to get them all out, exorcise Hotspur Way and the new stadium and start afresh with under-16s.

Limerick AL.
Limerick AL.
8 months ago

Now we can concentrate on Top Four. There’s more to these performances than meets the eye. 🤔

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
8 months ago
Reply to  Limerick AL.

The most grim moment will be when Jose and his crew are celebrating narrowly securing a place in the Europa for next season as Villa fail to win so our 1-0 loss to Leicester on the final day is enough to snatch 8th.

Deja vu.

legoverlass
legoverlass
8 months ago

and Dynamo has no manager… you couldn’t make this sh*t up.

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
8 months ago
Reply to  legoverlass

maybe he used some of that money to give the players a big win bonus😆

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
8 months ago

TV money keeps the ship afloat. Now it’s time to turn it off.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
8 months ago