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Dele, Moura, Lamela and Kane All Start, Lo Celso + Ndombele On The Bench: | graphic

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This is a big game and the white noise Mourinho haters have only served to make it that way. So let’s get stuck in and progress.

Mislav Oršić scored a brace in Zagreb’s last game and netted the opener in the Croatian side’s previous Europa League game home match. Harry Kane scored either side of half-time in the first leg, the England captain’s second brace in his last three games.

A 2-0 defeat in the first leg must have felt unusual for Croatian champions Dinamo Zagreb, who have won five of their previous six games ‘to nil’, and registered six clean sheets from their eight UEFA Europa League games prior. Still, a 2-0 deficit is not impossible to overcome, and Zagreb is unbeaten in 15 of their last 16 European home games… it’s a big game!

José Mourinho is going for the kill here and quite frankly I love him for it. Silverware is not our enemy!

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CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Losing 2-7 at home certainly makes me think the issues with togetherness, squad cohesion and team spirit began before Jose came.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

I can’t remember it being as poor as it is today

Lilywhitesmurf
Lilywhitesmurf
3 years ago

If he was managing Chelsea he would have been fired already..we cant even get that right…let night has to be the final straw surely.

Dexter
Dexter
3 years ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

You miss the point. Everyone and anyone who mans the helm under this regime will come to the end of his cycle very quickly. Their cycles will lose their wheels time and again. Levy has been found out by the world of football. Last night he looked a fool to his peers. The manager didn’t look a fool, he looked defeated by everyone around him, up to the top floor. Like a fatally wounded MI6 agent wondering why the hell he he joined up when Boris was his handler.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

…was the team spirit great in late Poch times?

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  makatiandy

Good thinking. Players are moved on a season or two late, which means we actually get less money and are stuck with wantaway players who often play at 50% effort levels.

Rose is still around somewhere, which beggars belief!

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago

City shot themselves in the foot – they had four players on Martial and Jesus trips him in the box for a penalty.

They are also capable of imploding, but it doesn’t happen all that much. It’s telling when Mr Isgascoignegonnahaveacrack’s theory of the final being scripted is our best hope of success.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Someone higher up wrote that Jose has tried everything to mixed results – attacking works sometimes and other times, it doesn’t. Defending worked sometimes and other times failed spectacularly.

This is what makes me think the squad is, at its core, broken. Lacking belief, confidence, desire, just drifting along.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  makatiandy

No. The state of the squad is largely his doing. The only tiny chance Levy can redeem himself is that he starts revitalizing the squad in the summer – and drastically.

I’m not holding my breath though. We had Paul Mitchell who is something of a master scout and drove him out with an NDA for his troubles.

As long as we get a Gedson for every Bruno, there’s no way we can pretend to be a top side with aspirations.

Limerick AL
Limerick AL
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

AL Capone.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

The brand of football? I think it’s more he’s tried everything and nothing sticks/works.

He’s tried out the entire squad, a load of players in multiple positions, he tried all out attack (success vs United, embarrassment vs west ham), the low block (success against City, embarrassment vs Liverpool), he tried Ndombele the playmaker but he’s too erratic and again we’d drop points, he’s tried to work Bale in but again he’s not up to it against good oppo, he’s even tried out Alli again.

There’s something flakey about half of this squad and he hasn’t been able to shake it out of us. We let in too many goals in an open game, we get too fearful in a defensive game.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
3 years ago
Reply to  Dexter

Come on, let’s agree Poch came to the end of his cycle – he was done by the end.

Say we should have hired somebody else but please see we couldn’t have ‘persevered’ with Poch

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago

Luckily Mourinho bought in Doherty, Fernandes, Vini, Hart and Burgervan

Phew real inspirational top quality players

Pablito
Pablito
3 years ago

I’m so fed up with the lot of them. Players, coaches and management. It’s all well and good giving interviews after the game saying how disgraceful, pathetic, sad etc. the performance was. Why didn’t they do something about it on the pitch? Empty words. I didn’t see one player screaming at anyone else out there to wake themselves up, pull their finger out and step the f**k up. Instead, as always, it’s passive, quiet, nicey nicey until it’s too late. That goes for the players, coaches and management. No in game reaction when things are so obviously not working is an indictment on them all. No professional pride. No passion. Mourinho as coach should be screaming for a reaction on the pitch during the game. Lloris as captain should be screaming for a reaction on the pitch during the game. Players should be calling each other out on the pitch during the game. Ignoring it when you can do something about it in the moment and then calling it out in interviews after the game when it’s too late is disrespectful to the club and fans. They are all a disgrace.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago

Building team morale and spirit is the managers job.

I think history again repeats..

Hasnt the atmosphere at previous clubs been labelled as toxic

This is one man’s doing, player man management and forever blaming players has led to this.

The Jose supporters have a huge blind spot, that’s he’s a winner, that was always at a huge cost.

The problem is when he doesnt and he does it Jose way you are left with this.

I can’t see how it recovers this situation

Last edited 3 years ago by Dannyboy
makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Do you think Levy understands football, as opposed to the business of football?

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Depends if what he’s asking for is working or not.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Can you blame them? They carried out his low-block for months and that got sussed out they asked to play a different way. The players and the management are a total miss-match…

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
3 years ago

Slam the players as much as you like but surely ultimately the buck stops with the manager?? Cheers

makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

He should know it, been evident wherever he’s been even when winning things on a regular basis.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

that is correct

makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago

When he had NO transfers for several windows? Wanted Fernandes, players sold and not replaced. “Be brave”. What did he mean by that. And we were serial CL players as opposed to last night.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Plus the brand of football has been dull with nothing to show for it.

I blame Levy for all of our on-Poch woes, there is nobody else. Jose is just caught up in it…

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

Close to 30m quid, for not winning anything and playing terrible footy. Just think about that,.. It’s very much a ‘told you so’ moment for many of us.

You just keep digging out ‘Botch’, while he manages one of the biggest clubs in the world and Jose winds up in China trying to rake in as much dosh as he can, before his has-been status goes global… 😂

makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago

Why do you keep mindlessly bringing Pochettino into every discussion? It is pointless. Why are players not moved on quickly? Look at the Eriksen saga, Rose Walker Winks Dele all wanted to go regardless of the manager. Levy can’t bear the thought of not making money on a sale. This is a contributing factor in morale and every managers ability to do their job at Tottenham.
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East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

Botch this Botch that…

i still I’ll want a refund on the code to 30m Jose has earned embarrassing us with his sh*te football for over 18 months…

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

True but his old school man management is a car-crash these days. It just divides dressing rooms.

Jose seems to make certain players the fall guys, these days the players just see through it and if one of those players has a lot of mates in the squad it’s going to cause problems.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

‘Botch’ players like Son and Toby that didn’t even play tonight you mean? Kane emerged and became the player he is under Pochettino, get rid? Lucas etc, hard working player etc.

Poch left over a year and a half ago, Jose picked, trained the team tonight and you’re still blaming Poch? 😂

makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago

Winks came through the system, no transfers so what does any manager do? Play who is available. Winks has asked to go, Dele wanted to go. Still there. Loris’s presser was effectively an exit speech.

makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

The real issue is does Levy back Jose and sell Kane Dele Son Loris Winks Dier Davies Aurier et al to finance a rebuild of sorts with experienced highly paid winners?
And no sell on value with this sort.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

He was either being sarcastic and a liar, or he really trusts them.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

This.

makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago
Reply to  Cali

My thoughts about that first goal.

makatiandy
makatiandy
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Lovely. Says it all, really.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

As bad as he is in fairness to Doherty pacey Tierney has most full backs on toast!

Last edited 3 years ago by David Dillenberg
East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago

’Botches lot’ doesn’t include Kane, Son, Toby and Lucas I take it? 🤔

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  Nike

Yep, why did Doherty play in a position he couldn’t cope with in the NLD? Lots of it is fairly bizarre, has to be said.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
3 years ago
Reply to  Legoverlass

Hardly conducive to boosting team morale sadly symptomatic of the dysfunctional team being in total disarray with everybody pulling in different directions!!

Legoverlass
Legoverlass
3 years ago

I don’t think I have ever heard a more damning criticism of fellow teammates than Lloris stated in his after match interview. He states that the players are not playing as asked and that a number are not showing the desire to play for the team, Who do we think in particular he is talking about ? I would go with Ali, Aurier, Sissoko, Winks, Davies, Ndombele.Bale, Dier

StuSpur
StuSpur
3 years ago

Things have been awful in the past. Shit players, bad coach, bad football. What kept the smallest flame of honour was that we are Tottenham Hotspur, WHL, the old stadium with its history, its character and stories.

Now I don’t have the feeling, not in the same way anyway.
We are Tottenham hotspur in name alone. THFC PTY Ltd. A shit team playing garbage football and when the manager goes someone else will enter that soulless concrete and steel monstrosity

When the embers die down. What is left of our beloved club?

Dexter
Dexter
3 years ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

I missed the Hugo interview just saw it now. Jeezus, there it is right there. Disgrace.

East Stand
East Stand
3 years ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

You don’t blame him for anything? 🤔

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
3 years ago

Just seen Mourinho’s after match press conference. Boy does he look royally peed off.

Not happy and I don’t blame him. Basically said that as head coach he is not able to say publicly what he really thinks of the players.

Andrew
Andrew
3 years ago
Reply to  Notontheshelf

Has Southgate totally lost it!!

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago

Kane, son, toby they are all Botchs players

I would also say some of Hosepipes recruits need to go Doherty, Vini, Burgervan

Makes sense playing our second string especially after the appalling performance on Sunday

Funny how the current manager who is doing a dreadful job is still getting let off and it’s all being blamed on the previous manager

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

😆

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Freund

Tell that to Danny Rose.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

Ndom is a Botch signing.. 200k a week for him is a big reason we struggle… The rest of these Botch players have to go… These are not our managers players.. A manager has to bring his own players in and build his squad… Like Botch was allowed to..

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  Pablo

Great save by Lloris at the end… He should have saved another too.. The rest were litter.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago

This

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
3 years ago

Lloris calling out the whole dressing room. Glad I’m not on the plane back to London. Hope the in flight movie is OK.

Nike
Nike
3 years ago

It’s all very confusing.
Why did Ndombele not start? He barely broke a sweat on Sunday.
Why did Regi not start?. He’s a young lad, surely he can cope with plaing midweek.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

That was mostly our second string… All Botch players have to go. They are not good enough it’s simple…. It was close to our first team that beat them 2-0 and it was no walk in the park for them at home.

Dexter
Dexter
3 years ago
Reply to  justin

You’re absolutely right Justin. I see José is a great manager, but only when he’s backed up by mega wonga.
Harry H will disagree, but Poch was a far superior gaffer because Poch is 10 times the football coach than José will ever be. José manages big money names – Poch coaches players to collectively reach their potential. He didnt win anything with us, but before Mourinho gets slung out, Poch will have achieved a damn sight more.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  Dexter

He won’t be sacked in the morning, keep your money in your pocket… 30 mil is alot when you include the billion pound plus debt and the uncertainty of covid… He had to rotate and I thought that team should have easily got the job done… These were mostly Botch players and deadwood who have to leave… Let a manager bring in his own players first. Levy had learnt he gave schnapps time and also Botch.. Maureen needs time too…

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Once renowned for his stunning freekicks (his one tonight weakly hit lacking direction!) and wonder goals from outside the area are but a distant memory!

Last edited 3 years ago by David Dillenberg
Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago

They are jose’s lot now and he keeps playing them

In our biggest game of the season they all started.

They don’t pick themselves, the Manager does.

That sounds like stupidity to me

Last edited 3 years ago by Dannyboy
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago

Attitude… Application… Win!

Andrew
Andrew
3 years ago

DD, this is almost poetic but very true!

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
3 years ago
Reply to  justin

One of my biggest gripes is why Rodon who Jose apparently rates highly is not already a permanent fixture of the side? Many things are confusing and this is just one of them!

Last edited 3 years ago by David Dillenberg
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

Different players… Dele dier winks davies sissoko, none of Botches lot can be trusted. They seem broken mentally.

Dexter
Dexter
3 years ago
Reply to  SimonSpur

It’s not too much. It’s 30 odd M. If you’re Levy what do you do? You realise keeping Mourinho (which I think is what we SHOULD do) means accepting that the new-build is going to cost you north of 100M – if you can keep Kane and Sonny – and backing him – yeah right – OR you forfeit the 30, spend next to nothing and pass the buck on to the next mug to take the heat off yourself and your complete ineptitude. I know what Levy will do, and it will be at the expense of José and Tottenham Hotspur as a football club.

justin
justin
3 years ago

Why has Dier got so many games under Jose? Why has Winks got any games this season at all? He has been hiding for at least the last two years. How can Jose not see Winks trying to actually hide behind the opponents when we are in possession? How can he not see Dier is not a premier league defender at all and isn’t going to be one?

Why on earth is Delle at the club still? The only way his value would go up would be loaning him to a flash club in an average division like PSG where he can do flicks and overhead kicks and play with all style no substance.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

Asdas in house no frills pot noodle.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago

My goodness

I love Ledders but you can’t put him in charge.

I can see it now, a telephone ringing in Sandbanks, “Hello Sandra, Is Harry there”

“No Mr Levy, he’s just taken the dog to the bank”

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
3 years ago

How much would get for that job lot and wheres the money to replace them with better quality players? It’s Groundhog day every day.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  Nike

Snowflakes like these need to go.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

Nah he arrived before didn’t he?

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
3 years ago
Reply to  BobbytheBrain

Remember the recent Jose interview? He was happy to change players around so much because he completely trusted the players.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  Nike

Very

He eludes to the fact that in the past there was great spirit in the squad but there isn’t now.

That in itself is damning.

The same thing happened a few years ago at Man U. Hmmmm maybe a common denominator

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
3 years ago

Fair does though to Daniel when Mourinho asked for Fernandes the chairman went and got him.

justin
justin
3 years ago

How long since Jose has got more out of a set players than expected of him? Not since Porto? He has done exactly as well as expected with multimillion pounds squads and occasionally, even with these squads, he has messed up and left part-way through the season.

Levy has a history of getting rid of managers who were doing better than Jose.

This serial winner stuff is pure fluff. Comparing managers trophies is very difficult as some managers just come in to keep teams from going down and some managers are brought in and given 1 billion to buy the league. You have to instead look at whether players are improving, the style of performances, and whether they are managing to get good finishes with squads full of holes (poch).

Levy made the biggest mistake of his career getting rid of a manger that was able to take the squad he did to a champions league final. Even getting into the champions league at all while spending less than teams 10 places below him was an achievement. He made Levy look good and instead of looking after the golden goose he swapped it for a flashy Ferrari he couldn’t afford to fill up with petrol.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
3 years ago

Disaster.. Winks Dele Dier Davies Sissoko,, get all these Botch players gone. They don’t have the skill or the mentality, or both… Not worthy of their shirts.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
3 years ago

Where Levy goes from here is either sacking Mourinho now and putting Ledley King in charge until the end of the season or likely deferring the decision until the end of the season!

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Simply put given our modest possession surely the only way we will beat City in the League Cup Final is catching them on a rare off day either replicating our home victory against City earlier in the season adopted in Man Utds 2-0 victory at City is by scoring first immediately putting them on the back foot, then withstanding intense pressure, ride your luck and see out the victory!! Man Utds classic game plan scoring early in both the first and second half was executed to perfection!!

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
3 years ago

Where does Levy go from here…bringing in a serial winner that cant win under his stewardship must be the lowest point from his 14 odd managers in 20 years whilst charging the most expensive tickets in Europe…and, after finding another 300-400m to finish his vanity project couldn’t find another 5m to get the likes of Bruno or Dybala over the line….

Nike
Nike
3 years ago

Interesting post match interview with Lloris. Seems to be pointing the finger at issues within the squad and players not shiwing enough team spirit both in training and in matches. Suggesting that those not usually in the XI are sulking rather than trying their damndest to get back in the team.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  BobbytheBrain

The side tonight was ridiculous

He spoke of the players attitude, that team was a joke.

Who picked the team?

BobbytheBrain
BobbytheBrain
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

This was a squad that was top of the league in December and as short as 6-1 to win the league. The form since the Liverpool away defeat (we were the last side they beat at home) has been that of relegation fodder. Yes OK you may lay the blame at Levy’s door for failing to invest anything in two transfer windows but equally it is the manager’s job to make the best of the resources available to him which Jose is clearly not doing. The Europa League was our only chance of Champions League football next season. This is a competition that is open to be won; a route to the final was in sight. Jose puts out a back 4 of Aurier, Dier, Sanchez and Davies with a centre midfield pairing of Winks and Sissoko. I mean really. WTF? We got what we deserved – our ar5es spanked. The fallout from this is going to be ugly..

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

True

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

That’s the nail on the head

As fans we don’t understand the decisions and tactics

From the way the team are playing it doesnt seem like they know either.

We have attacking players, but we are not attacking. Every time we set up with a negative mindset we have been beaten. We are getting beaten by good sides and by bang average sides.

The way we are set up to play allows the opposition control of the ball, allows them to build confidence and momentum and allows them to attack a very poor and mistake prone defence.

None of that makes sense to me

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

The two attacking talents are Kane (16+13 in the league) and Son (13+9 in the league)? That’s hardly soul destroying numbers.

In Jose’s setup, they became the best forward duo in the league. Unfortunately, much too often they are the only thing that works – and when we need them most, they often fluff an important chance (Kane at Anfield and several today, Son against Fulham and the marginal offside V Pool at home). Balance is something we’ve been looking for all season – and haven’t found it yet.

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
3 years ago
Reply to  legoverlass

Deck chairs on the Titanic.

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
3 years ago

We’re living in a fancy mansion on a hill. With marble halls and chandeliers.

And do you know what we’re eating for breakfast lunch and supper?

POTNOODLE.

legoverlass
legoverlass
3 years ago

If Jose is jettisoned would Sacramento step up to the plate?

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Our inconsistency may work in our favour – I genuinely don’t know if a dominant attacking Spurs shows up or this complacent crock of sh*te. We will need more than a fair share of luck to beat City anyway.

Ian
Ian
3 years ago
Reply to  SimonSpur

It’s not just the money who’s available to replace him ?

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

Given the last league lineups, I don’t think Dier is Jose’s favourite anymore, and also, Doherty has been a failure, whuch everyone recognises (I hope).

We played attacking and got decent results, but also a 3-3 draw vs west ham and a 5-4 cup loss at Everton. The “negative style” is to use the midfield to help the defence out of possession, whereas in a see-saw match, the defence is always stretched on the counter attack.

We can attack Burnley and Palace, but when we do that against a decent team, we don’t fare well. Quite why we didn’t attack a poor Arsenal side or this Zagreb team, that’s another matter, one I don’t understand.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

I would love Spurs to win a trophy, i think we are further from winning a trophy than we have been in years.

That’s being said with us in a cup final next month, even the most optimistic of fans would struggle to truly believe that we can win it.

Maybe, football does throw out funny results, on current form and attitude not a hope in hell

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Maybe they are fed up playing negative football and the team continually getting outplayed?

I can imagine that for two quality attacking talents would be soul destroying

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  legoverlass

100%. Nobody is absolving Mourinho of blame, he is the coach and will likely suffer the consequences instead of the players. But if Son and Kane by now know they won’t be staying, it can influence their performances and that can rub off on the team. If the two best players are leaving, what message does that send to the others?

Just one of a dozen things that might be happening behind the scenes, and I can’t really think what Jose could do about that, even if he were paid 30 mil a year.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

The defence is a disgrace

But again, Dier is a favourite of Mourinho and he signed Doherty.

He told Man U players to target Sanchez in the Ajax game, so clearly didn’t rate him.

Davies for some reason every manager loves, Poch did, so does Mourinho.

Those players all play and none are good enough.

The issue lies that Mourinho sets up the team in a negative fashion, encouraging a poor defence to be tested. It’s illogical, play to your strengths, your strengths are your attacking players, but he is nullifying them.

That’s why the players are lost, tonight we let a poor side dictate and out play us. It was only when we were losing 3 nil did we then panic.

The same happened against Arsenal.

By the time we finally wake up, all momentum has been lost, we have spent the whole game on the back foot and leave it far too late to get back into the game.

Game management, tactics are all down to the manager. Yet again he came out and said the players ignored him.

If you are paid 15m and you cannot get your point across to your players and they are igoring you, then you are not fit to do the job

legoverlass
legoverlass
3 years ago

If I am a manager who reputedly is a world-class winner and I am being paid £15 million pounds per annum then I would respectfully suggest that it is my primary responsibility as that manager to instill into my team (both on and off the pitch) a winning attitude and mentality.He has been there over a year and half now. It is not like he has just walked through the door. What we have seen against Arsenal and now Dynamo appears to be a collapse of any motivation or desire to play for the club. It is very strange that it follows after a run of form and much more attacking performances with even Bale sparking into life again. What is very worrying is the fact that Kane to me in his last two outings looks like a player who knows he is leaving the club that he loves and that he knows is not going to enable him to win anything. Perhaps that is something that is now known within the squad and perhaps Sony not signing a new deal is also indicating a desire to leave. The combined impact of those two making those decisions may have taken the motivation out of the squad. Of course whatever we may feel about Jose the real cause of all of this is ENIC and Levy. They have sucked the soul out of the club and this crop of players. Even Bale has fallen out of love with the club I feel and that is a damning indictment of all that is wrong at THFC.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

I don’t know about most fans. I saw attacking football under Poch and Redknapp and it was very nice. I was proud that we played “the best football in England”, but we won nothing. Not a single cup playing that style of football. How is that possible, if even Wigan, Birmingham, Swansea got one during that time?

The answer is what troubled Poch and troubles Jose – a lack of grit/passion/desire when it matters most. That comes from the top, so any coach will struggle with that.

I just want us to win a cup, any cup, just to see if that can help the weakness disappear. Poch said winning a cup won’t change our lives, which was stupid, I thought, but let’s put that to the test.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Quite probably

Most fans want to see attacking good football, thats certainly what i want to see and what i enjoy watching.

Its hard enough with kids to be able to sit down and watch a game, but every time i do i end up so thoroughly bored and totally disillusioned.

I can’t stand watching negative boring football, it doesn’t excite me and i lose total interest.

Sadly i am one of footballs dreamers, be entertained, be wowed, see some heart and spirit and hopefully see us win.

Winning trophies by playing horrible football doesnt interest me or appease me. I appreciate the game is about winning and at all costs, but personally for me its not.

That’s why i can’t take to Mourinho and fair enough to everyone that can be entertained and happy with this.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

The squad is not good enough. Some years ago, it may have been, but it’s not anymore.

Lloris is aging and needs replacing.
Hart needs replacing too.
Davies is unremarkable and typifies the passive nature of so many limp defeats.
Dier has been here since the start of Poch’s time and has to go now, as he’s utterly failed to prove he’s worth a spot.
Toby is 32.
Sanchez is unreliable, but maybe, just maybe there’s a player in there (but a rash one).
Doherty is dogsh*t. Aurier is fast and strong but unreliable.

That’s just the defence. This is not to say Mourinho is blameless but the players are not good enough.

I also think he needs to win a trophy, but this is his first full season, and may be his last.

Klopp won the CL in his fourth full season and nothing before that. Sometimes backing a manager does get you results.

Cali
Cali
3 years ago

Well you play Winks Dele Dier and you think you gonna win I doubt it.2 questions why Jose did not star strong team to score 1 goal to qualify?and then after that rest who he wants,2nd question where we gonna go from here cause it is hopeless ?who will leave Jose, Kane, Son, Lloris may be Levy or the rest of the team? Wait and see cause doing the same thing from season to season and expecting different outcome makes no sense and there is something fundamentally rotten in this club and it needs to be routed out in my opinion Micky Mouse cup I don’t think is enough even if that is big if we win it.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dannyboy

After five and a half years. Some wanted him sacked in his first season, as some do now Jose in his first full season.

He might well go now, but I maintain that on the whole, Jose’s departure and replacement with Howe/Nagelsmann/… without backing (replacing the unreliability strewn through the squad) will bring us relief in the short term and then it’s back to this place again.

SimonSpur
SimonSpur
3 years ago
Reply to  Dexter

I’m getting used it now with this club. Same old cycle under Levy.

Dannyboy
Dannyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  Tangangry

I would love to be a sucker on 15m a year

Unbelievable money for abject failure

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