It feels like we lost yesterday, and in essence we did as West Ham would have headed off to the East End feeling empowered by their miraculous recovery, content with the salvaged point. Whereas the home dressing room would have more closely resembled a morgue.
The answers are not to be found in the post match stats. Monumentally stupid individual errors, and grotesque lapses of concentration aren’t disciplines covered by any of the monitoring services. Manuel Lanzini’s wonder-strike didn’t help
Throwing away a 3-0 lead is indefensible in isolation, but throwing one so comprehensively achieved was bewildering to behold. Soul destroying.
Jose Mourinho was in reflected mood after the match.
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Mourinho after the game looked forlorn, like a man that had misread the Lotto numbers and only after phoning everyone he knew and sung celebratory songs, did he realize the ‘1’ and the ‘4’ needed to be ’14’.
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Fair comment.
I can’t believe these discussions (all with some merit).
In my eyes it was all down to Sanchez.
Wet Spam upped their game so were likely to get a goal but at 3-1 – no sweat.
but at 3-2 it is a completely different outlook (yes I know Bale could have tied it up but he didnt)
I think we were expecting the 3rd but the damage was done on the 2nd. That bloke is such a clown.
We have Dire who cant jump (watch C-L and AC do him) and Krusty who can’t clear.
and kicked it upfield for Harry to nod onto Son to score
All the pressure was on the defence because they were running through our midfield as soon as Winks came on. He cannot play a defensive midfield role thats for sure. Big mistake bringing him on… Save him for ropey league matches now. Nice lad with an ok pass… Not good enough to play centre mid in the prem though.
Ogbonna just stood his ground. He wasn’t going to move out of the way… It was Winks awful touch that gave it to Lanzini.. Not sure if he was trying to run with it or pass it…… In the 94th minute close to your own penalty area you don’t mess around. He should have just cleared his lines. Long ball up the pitch, simple clearance and we would have won the game. That was schoolboy stuff.
Moyes celebration (as if he had won the world cup with Scotland) said it all…. Miracles do happen in football. We should have put them to bed a few times, everyone to blame really even Kane and Bale both should have popped another one in.
Winks was the main reason we lost that. We lost all presence in the middle. They ran through him more than once and he assisted their last goal. He’s not strong enough, easily outmuscled… Everyones leaking goals, I think without thousands of fans screaming at defenders then it’s easier for them to switch off. Winks needs to be playing ropey league games.
Hope so, But unfortunately conceding free kicks in similar positions and conceding goals is happening.
Quiet right, but think they already have. After the result with Newcastle a number of comments were made regarding our defensive issues from certain positions of play. This comment was made just after that game. “”But I think another tactical analysis that Jose would normally pick up on. The players have to be more clever what ever the score is or should be, a last throw of the dice by teams is to earn/con a free kick, all players up, long ball into the box and hope for that last chance”” How are they not learning from this..? The first goal was a repeat of the goals against Everton and NUFC, long ball into the box from similar positions..!!
I have to disagree. After looking at that so-called foul again, several times, it was almost as much of a bullsh*t call as the phantom free kick preceding the penalty against Newcastle. Aurier never touched him. As for Kane, he was totally blameless. It was Winks who was the main culprit by far. All he had to do was whack the f*cking ball and the game was over. Instead he tries to get cute and flicks it straight at Lanzini who whereupon smashes it into the net.
In fairness to Winks he was set to cover the shot,but Ogbonna blocked him off.Whether he should have been penalised is arguable following the soft free kicks we conceeded for the goals.
Our fitness levels should be higher than other teams because of the Europa League qualifiers, we can’t really use that excuse. They looked fit enough last week.
Pat Jennings would’ve, and held it too. 🌚
Yep. Can play CDM too. (Cover for PEH) We need him.
Fair point but IMO the culpable defender was the one who gave away the needless freekick in the first place. Yes you can blame Kane’s header, yes you can blame Winks but ultimately the biggest offender knows who he is!
As has been said many times before leaders like that are very thin on the ground.Perhaps Skrinia could be that player,if we can get him or he wants to come.It could depend on whether he gets games under Conte.
Winks didn’t help with a wayward touch and I think he could have got his body in the way but he let the presence of another player put him off and didn’t throw himself in for a block and maybe he gambled no one could score from there.
What Jose needs and what Spurs need is a John Terry (ough!)
Mention of Lloris at fault for the equaliser. Really?
Pick that one out as IMO no keeper would have save that one.
Mourinho knows there is a problem in the defence. He’s already bought a new left and right back and a centre back, Reguilon, Doherty and Rodon and we know he wanted Milan Skriniar and maybe other new players.
He’s going to sort that defence. And he’s going to to make sure we can see out not just a three or four níl lead but a one níl lead. This is a process and new habits are difficult to learn.
Our fitness levels aren’t there yet, we fell back and couldn’t press as intensely. More coaching will help it takes time, we’re not as good as we looked against United and not as bad as the last 15 minutes against West Ham.
Its all good.
I guess Serge got picked because of his performance again Man U. Sanchez and Toby because of Dier’s injury.
Love serge me. Attacking defenders. Hardest position in the game.
Lets hope so, Rodon in the pipeline too.
As all managers say they can’t legislate for defensive blunders butt when the same players keep making them as in Aurier and Sanchez do why is Jose selecting them??
Japh coming back soon. 🌚 we’ll be fine man.
Mou’s had plenty of time with this defence to sort it out, I just don’t think they’re good enough and need to be replaced. Giving silly fouls away has cost us so many games. Wider the players are too impatient and need to hold back unless the threat actually becomes real. If the player is going nowhere why risk a foul? It looks like they are very nervous to me, as if they don’t trust their CB’s.
🌚 love a 5-2 me
Was a “freak ting. Won’t happen again.
We had the chances to see them off even at 3-2 yes, but from looking like a team you’d bet the mortgage on scoring from the next chance that first 20 minutes…they reverted to ‘oh, I fancy a crack, head down/blast’ and ‘Bale has come on, lets look for him at the expense of anyone else’ etc
Casual in attack, plus of course giving away sloppy free kicks in our third.
The Kane post strike and Bale miss were pure poor luck and the Lambrini strike the opposite for West Ham but this one shouldn’t have come down to luck
It seems we will need more because of our soft underbelly!
Must always “crow after stuffing a big club. 🌚
In theory even when it got to 3-1 we should have seen the game out.
Should being the operative word!
Against Newcastle we pummled then but failed to finish them off long before the end and drew. This time we took our chances against West Ham but undone by poor defending and drew.
We were unplayable in the first half which included a masterclass from Kane and Son.However as Kane alluded to in the Amazon series we keep letting teams back into games and it happens too often.
Two of their goals came from individual errors by our defense.Sissoko and Aurier both commited innocuous ,but needless fouls out on the touchline,but in good positions for a well taken free kick to be swung in.On another day you could argue the ref wouldn’t have called them.But we are struggling to deal properly with balls swung into the box.
Sissoko then compounded his own fault by not getting off the ground for the free kick and Sanchez,well I don’t know what he was thinking.But I go back to my point that him and Dier aren’t good enough to start.What can you say about Lanzini’s worldie,they sometimes happen.
I’d like to think Jose will sort these problems out but it will probably need new personnel who aren’t coming until January.The fact is we need to kill games off and not think we can sit on a lead and not expect the opposition not to want to come at us.
If you can create 3 chances in the first half and score them all you’ll win a lot of games
I’m channeling Poch, I was very calm, very relaxed about this one…if we don’t start winning consistently over the next 6 ‘on paper’ gimme fixtures and fail to get some momentum going and a settled side with the new signings integrated I’ll start to worry I guess.
I hate to say it but West Ham really impressed me and a penny for OGS and the Man U squad’s collective thoughts because this is what’s possible in football when you keep playing and keep your heads up.
A good lesson for us; not every team 3-0 down instantly become easy meat. There was a little complacency and a little arrogance too.
The key stat? 3 chances and 3 goals the first 16 minutes. No goals from any of the subsequent chances we created – have to ask ‘why?’. If you find the answer to that we work out our biggest issue, and it has something to do with dropping focus/intensity for prolonged periods (read: far too long stretches of time, like 50+ minutes of this match).
What we mostly saw in the 1st half was clinical finishing – 3 goals out of 3 attempts.
As soon as corners go in I think we are going to concede every time!
Whilst I fully concur with your sentiments defensively we are weak and our opponents will aim to exploit our “soft spot”.
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My thoughts exactly.
Whatever it takes. Can’t see anyone else putting 3 past us this season (in one half) I’m not worried. We’ll always score
We’re in the process of building a team that can win, we saw a tremendous physical effort and brilliant football in the first half. Maybe we’re not fully fit and we didn’t pace ourselves and we wrongly sat on a 3-0 lead.
Mourinho will sort that defence and the lapses in concentration. Annoying yes, but use the pain to improve and learn to close out games. I’d still rather be Spurs than West Ham. Let’s see how many more games they save with a last shot. Not many I’d guess.
Chin up we’re going in the right direction. Every transfer window Mourinho will fix more of our problem areas. A bump in the road, it happens but the journey to triumph continues. Remember Klopps Liverpool losing a Champions League Final to Real. They came back stronger that’s what we will do.
Sorting it out by doing what? Shuffling the pack, by dropping Aurier and Sanchez for starters?
I have faith in Jose sorting it out. Fk all to do with “sand
It was coz it won’t happen a lot. 3 goals in 12 mins. It will hardly happen.
I agree David that’s sticking your head in the sand and hoping the problem just goes away!
Not sure that you can simply dismiss obvious defensive frailities as simply one of those days!
2 wins now out of 5 not especially hard games. Considering the support from Levy to this manager, simply not good enough. I wonder what would have happened last summer had Levy bought those players in for Poch? I guess we’ll never know the answer to that question.
But it’s a case of getting up and dusting ourselves down, then analysing what went wrong and the reasons, and learning from that. This is a fairly new team so hopefully it will gel better over time. But I’m not sold on Mou’s tactics of trying to defend a lead, that simply won’t work with this defence. Attack is always the best form of defence, especially when our attack is world class and our defence is the rough opposite (somewhere out in the galaxy).
It’s hard to call this a fluke though considering other recent games. A bit worrying if I’m honest.
Liverpool are going to miss VVD big time and it must open the league more than ever. I am still positive we have a shout in every game we play and with Kane & Son on fire anythings still possible.
It was just one of those things on one of those days. I’m not worried at all about the team. We’ll be up there HARD. Was P!$$ed off yesterday though. The manager can’t be blamed for it. The players have to own it. I’m sure none of the players will be blaming the manager
We could have done with an experienced wise head in Liverpools unsung hero, James Milner, yes James Milner in this situation to see then game out!
That’s why I didn’t crow much about beating Utd 6.1, because it comes back to haunt you.
Agreed but thats the Spursy way for you!!
Any team with half a decent defence should be home and dry 3.0 up.How many times have we failed to score previously when teams park the bus,against us.
To the contrary IMO we played well for 45 mins but thinking the game was already won, instead of going for the jugular, taking our foot off the gas we completely switched off in the second half inviting West Ham pressure!
Simply put individual defensive errors cost us dearly but then thats nothing new. Perhaps an achilles heal that will haunt us throughout the season.
Who knows?
Deflating it was it’s pointless dwelling on our capitulation. It’s gone. Simply dust ourselves down, focus on the positives of the wreckage and move on!!
This season will be one of the most open in years and if we can cut out the stupid mistakes and learn from them all’s not lost.As the current highest scorers which usually bodes well over a season and unbeaten since the opening day we have to move on and remain positive.