The Special One has failed to impress a number of Spurs fans, and it rapidly became my contention that these naysayers were not just intellectually unreachable, and perhaps not all that well informed about the game in the first place. That may sound harsh, but ‘just don’t like him’ isn’t how sentient beings communicate.
Ricardo Carvalho is another footballing luminary who has won more than any of the footballers you’ve ever watched in a Spurs shirt, so he clearly knows what he’s talking about. Here’s his CV for the uninitiated.
Porto
- Primeira Divisão/Liga: 1998–99, 2002–03, 2003–04
- Taça de Portugal: 2002–03
- Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira: 2003
- UEFA Champions League: 2003–04
- UEFA Cup: 2002–03
Chelsea
- Premier League: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10
- FA Cup: 2006–07
- Football League Cup: 2004–05, 2006–07
- FA Community Shield: 2005, 2009
Real Madrid
- La Liga: 2011–12
- Copa del Rey: 2010–11
Most crucial line for me in the quote? “Sometimes, the problem comes from the way in which the players don’t accept who he is – he is like that because he wants to achieve and wants to win trophies.”
The sooner any Spurs players late to this particular party, the better. We currently have a squad that has no idea how to win. Their last mentor publicly debased domestic trophies – whilst simultaneously failing to win anything.
Watching the leaked Amazon tape of Mourinho again, and one has to wonder how many of the nice boys will buckle down and play like men for the master?
— FootballingGenius 💣 (@BallingGenius) July 18, 2020
I never said he had zero say. Complete pance? No pansy here sunshine… You call many guys pansys and plonkers to their faces? Get a broken nose for that round here… . Stick to your ‘enic out’ parrot boy you beginning to sound like a stuck record.. Probably since the 60s you’ve been going on…. Records are old news…. Tanguy is a joke we’ve all seen what he’s about…. You’re defending a bum like Ndombenchy, while slating and berating the most successful manager we have ever had without even giving him a full season… I like Bill Nicholson and his quotes, but Jose has been far more successful, and he’s still doing it….. Wooden spoons are for losers.. Maureen is a winner… Theres nothing ‘attractive’ when you lose.. A losing team doesn’t play attractive football… Oh we did a couple of nice passes and flicks and runs but lose 5 nil and never win anything.. Not good enough for me, but I’m a winner with a winning mentality..
I didn’t say he had zero say. In his first year he had ibra and a couple more that were obviously his players… But it soon went south. Maureen was giving Woodward targets in 2018 he wanted 5 and he wasn’t given any. He wanted a centre back asking for our Toby, and Godin, and when he finally sorted out a deal for Boatang then he was blocked. He wanted Perisic plus more players in that window and Woodward brought him Dalat, Fred and Lee Grant! The year before that Maureen said that Woodward was buying players he would never buy and selling players he would never sell! Angel di Maria, Chicherito and Wellbeck no chance….. It was clear for years Maureen had no control over the transfers. Gary neville kept on pointing all this out on match of the day….. If you look at Manures transfers all under Woodwards reign then its clear why they have gone so far back. Compared to their previous guy David Gill he hasn’t a clue. A simple google search and you can compare both their transfer histories..
The idea that a manager of Jose’s calibre would have zero say in who comes in I find slightly bizarre.
Our tradions are still here. The suits can’t change that. I’m happy supporting my club through thick and thin. I’m excited about the future, its gonna be good. “20 years? I’ve got more than that left in me. Anyway you carry on moaning. Jose will respect out traditions once he’s got us believing in ourselves again. I think ” plonkers are those who don’t believe in my club anymore. Those stuck in the past. What traditions do we have in winning leagues?
All of it? Jose had no say at all? I find that very hard to believe. He had Matic at Chavski and took him there, Ibrahimovic etc too, both Jose’s ex players from other clubs after he first arrived. So the idea he had zero say is probably complete pance.
I just think after a while old Woodworm started to lose faith in Jose, in the same way he had Moyes and Van Gaal. He wanted a quick turnaround but Jose couldn’t do it.
Personally I think Jose’s man management didn’t work at Utd. Has he learned from it? We’ll have to see but the way he’s dealt with Tanguy is very similar to Shaw at Utd. Did it work with Shaw? Not really…
I think he could easily win the League Cup with us or even the Ropey Dopey but that’s just a shift in focus. Poch’s objective was to keep us in the Champions League, with the resources he had he couldn’t do both.
If Jose wins us wooden spoons at the expense of Champions League or a high League placings then I fail to see the point. Especially if we play like cr*p in the process…
I want what’s best for my club and it’s traditions. People like you are happy gobbling up the crumbs Levy chucks at you now and again, in fact you almost wet yourselves with excitement when he does. Got you eating out the palm of his hand.
You crack on with that for another 20 years, like all the other plonkers…
Bla bla bla. Wobble on mr wonky. U can’t be taken seriously. You’re not on this ting proper. Good time fan.
I’m talking about the club and it’s traditions and the standards that Bill Nic set. The 1960’s were a long time ago, the book The Glory Game by Hunter Davies Is well worth a read. Early 70’s that.
Now this is true. Woodward was just showing off to the football world (united can buy any player stuff, we have money
Maureen has won far more than old billy did for us back in the 60s… And he’s still going…. And he’s here now… I do enjoy watching those old games, but its certainly evolved since..
Exactly. And we haven’t ‘won’ anything of note for a long time. The definition of ‘glory’ is a high renown or honour won by notable achievements.. Maureen has won it all, repeatedly, he’s tasted far more glory than any spurs fan ever… Maureens resume smashes bill nicholsons.
My point is its not really fair to judge Maureen spending when he didnt spend it.. He recieved players he didnt want.. Yet still managed 2nd in the league plus a few trophies.
Woodward was spending that at united.. Maureens targets were vastly different…. Yet he still managed to win stuff..
Give him a year and hopefully he will have got some of his own players in. Depending on this and the next window, we could win something this year…. If Levy and Hitchen are targeting and buying everyone then I fear we would go backwards further and struggle more… Maureen needs to be heavily involved with our transfers as we don’t have a proper sporting director.
Woodward bought most of those players at united.. Maureen gave them his targets and in true Levy style they were blocked and others were bought instead.. Then after they sacked him they went and bought two of his targets…. This is why it went toxic at manure. They didnt back him at all towards the end… The majority of that spending was woodward.
Not Tintin, he was straight out for a new adventure… I think with alot of fans loyalty and the moral factor are reasons why they dislike him… I still half see him as blue. He still felt chelsea to me when he was at United too… Also incidents like the eva carneiro saga..
100% spot on.
There is zero correlation whatsoever between being defensive, pragmatic, ‘boring’ or whatever you want to call it, and winning stuff.
In fact in more recent times the trophies are all going to the teams pressing and attacking football. This notion that we’ve been doing it the wrong way by being attacking is total garbage.
It’s mainly about backing the manager, Klopp and Pep are backed. Spurs need a manager who plays attacking football whilst being fully backed. We have neither right now
100% spot on.
There is zero correlation whatsoever between being defensive, pragmatic, ‘boring’ or whatever you want to call it, and winning stuff.
In fact in more recent times the trophies are all going to the teams pressing and attacking football. This notion that we’ve been doing it the wrong way by being attacking is total garbage.
It’s mainly about backing the manager, Klopp and Pep are backed. Spurs need a manager who plays attacking football whilst being fully backed. We have neither right now
If we actually ‘lived in the past’ and listened to the words of our greatest ever manager rather than discard them like you are then we might have actually won something. That man won the double for us, or have you forgotten that bit of the ‘past’?
The problem Spurs have had is that it’s been owned by too many people who haven’t cared about getting the club back to where Bill got it while sticking to its traditions.
The whole problem is leaving the past behind not the other way round, you plonker.
Ignorance is bliss…
Exactly, without proper backing you won’t win big stuff. So the football might as well be good to watch.
There seems to be this twisted logic from some about Jose that his methods are ‘winning’ methods and therefore in some way more effective than everyone else.
The way I see it is, he spent as much as Klopp when he was at Utd but Klopp won the league while playing great football and Jose was way off doing that whilst playing his usual pragmatic way.
What can you deduce from all that? That Jose’s methods are no more ‘winning’ methods than his rivals. In fact the opposite seems to be true when looking at money spent as well.
If the football improves then i’ll get on board but if it doesn’t and we aren’t top of the league then what’s the point, exactly?
Until Utd sacked him. 😂
I think all teams would take 10 one- nil ugly wins, but it doesn’t work that way. I don’t mind doing it v Man City but not against Newcastle, not every week. It would be excruciating, but wouldn’t give us 10 straight wins, that is fanciful thinking. To win playing tiki taka you need a certain player (we don’t have them), Rodgers found this out at Liverpool, where he changed his style within months to accommodate what he had. I am hoping Jose loosens the turgid apron strings once we stop leaking goals. Paying customers want to be entertained too. Shut up shop and counter v the City’s of this world and take the game to the Newcastle’s. That isn’t too much to ask.
Haha, yes no need to worry about that here!
Love that🌚
Was that the fella in the raincoat?
Pogba obviosly didn’t want to play for Mourinho, but Mourinho wasn’t allowed to move him on. Mourinho wanted to sign certain players, but he was given different ones. That in a nutshell is why it didn’t work out for him at Utd.
Any manager needs the full support of his players to be successful. Let’s hope Mourinho gets it from our lot. If they have any sense at all they should listen to the man with the trophies.
Fk history. I want it now. As I’ve said “I don’t care how the trophies come. Get with the program. The past is where it is.
Sounds like he was an unfortunate victim of a world record 400m spend. Luckily he hasn’t got that impediment anymore.
There is a difference between money spent and having better players. At Utd they over spent a lot of money on players that did’t work that well. Just because they spent loads doesn’t mean Mourinho had the best players to work with.
Also no manager stands a chance if he doesn’t get the buy-in of the players. It was clear at Utd there were those who weren’t with him, and that he didn’t have the power to move them on. This is the problem – not that he wasn’t any good suddenly.
I am not expecting that and I doubt enic are either. He far outspent both klopp and Guardiola when he was at Man U yet still ended up miles behind them. Now they are far outspending him.
No, enic are paying him double klopp’s salary simply to emulate poch and bring them CL money. Finishing above Klopp and Guardiola is an impossibility for Mourinho.
Bring to me the screams of widows, the last mumbled words of orphans, the scraping of bones, they will be the orchestra as we lift our bloodied trophies…
OR
*personally, I am comfortable with a metrosexual journey whereby the biggest victory is checking our privilege*
JM’s been on roll since Porto mate
You can win trophies with an attractive style – like Klopp and Pep implement. You can also win a different way – like Mourinho does it. There are many ways to skin a cat.
However, If you go up against Klopp or Pep and try to play their game, you will probably lose unless you have better players. If you play the Mourinho way, you have a good chance of winning, even if the players aren’t as good.
Because we don’t have Pep or Klopp, we aren’t going to beat them playing their game. We do have a chance playing a different way.
There is a difference between living in the past and being a student of the past, ie, history. You should learn from the past, it is dumb not to. We did win trophies historically playing attractive football. I am sure that the fans will forgive and forget ugly football if we start winning trophies which is what we all want.
Agree,
For arguments sake, if Pep or Klopp took over they probably would improve the the side with their management. Would they though win the top comp’s, probably not. Who ever is in charge would need the support from the top, that didn’t even happen when we we’re getting there a few seasons back.
Bla bla bla. I just want trophies. Don’t care how they come. You can continue living in the past.
“The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.” I am sure you know who made this remark, and yes, he knew something about football!
I thought Jose got the point across nicely. No communication problems there.
George Graham (cough)
Very true. Will Maureen be allowed to bring these kind of characters in. Let’s hope so because unless he is I can’t see how his methods can work properly.
Couldn’t give a Bombay what you think
I care and I’m not a fool. Win the League? Ok. Win the Champions League fine. Win a wooden spoon playing like c**p? No thanks, we have an identity.
If the football improves under Jose then that all fine with me. However 29% possession at home is pathetic,
You can win trophies by playing attacking and exciting football. Look at City, Liverpool and Bayern Munich as examples. Winning silverware is not synonymous with playing ugly football.
Personally I feel Mourinho is at a bit of a crossroads in his career. It’s obvious that the game and players have evolved into a different animal to what they were, even 10 years ago.
When Jose was on a roll everyone bought into it, owners, players and fans because whatever you thought of him or the style of play, the trophies were always the trade off. I can’t see that he has quite that cache anymore, mainly because he’s been superseded by the likes of Pep and Klopp etc. They win stuff but their teams play in a style both players and fans aspire to.
How far down the road do you go with the Jose of 2020? Unless winning of stuff, real stuff, (I mean not the League Cup) comes soon then you are altering a squad around a very specific method for what?
The other aspect is how much will Jose really be able to call all the shots on transfers? Unless these pieces all fit together then it’s just not going to work. Also, the most important thing to remember is, he’s working for Daniel Levy. Nothing is ever straightforward…
#ENICOUT
We NEED trophies. Anyone who cares about how we go about getting them is a fool. By any means necessary. The “Tottenham way” will have to wait. I’m all about the points now. Fk the performances
From memory he has praised a few of ours and only derided one who by all accounts deserves it. If he demands a work ethic for the team (DA looking at you blud) and a win at all costs – right leg hanging off sew it up quick, then he will change the culture of Spurs. Won’t be pretty but who cares if our name is engraved on a few trophies.
As David said we’re not Bayern Munich but why can’t we model ourselves on them. We are as wealthy as them maybe wealthier. They haven’t the finances to compete head on with City, PSG and Barcelona but by being clever in acquiring talent and by brilliant coaching look at what they did to Spurs and Chelsea two of the big six from the worlds so called best League.
Unfortunately they are very well run football wise by a lot of ex players, German Internationals who understand the game and can tell the difference between an N’Koudou and an Alphonso Davies.
We have a world class talent spotter ourselves, in his own mind. Doesn’t matter where you start with Spurs problems football wise, you always end up back in the same place. Funny that.
Under the great Bill Nic he was not satisfied with simply winning but winning with style. Sadly we are not Bayern Munich! We are currently consistently inconsistent! Yes it’s not pretty but I would take 10 ugly 1 nils to top the table next season.
This is definitely a plunge into the unknown for Jose. Player power, particularly Pogba, seemed to have been the catalyst for his Utd demise (although the whole club was disjointed, top to bottom). At the time I thought if Jose was going to be successful it was Pogba who had to leave. Jose lost that battle, but it showed him players have the upper hand. Same thing happened at Chelsea, so although he won the league he didn’t learn much. Spurs though are different, we don’t have serial winners, but we do have big time Charlie’s who may think they are better than what they are. Getting these out of the club are as much a priority as getting quality in. That aside, I like Jose, he is funny and charismatic, but his style of football has bored me senseless this season. Signing a ‘hulk’, albeit needed, may not change that style if he can’t pass from A-B.
Benefiting from the leadership qualities of Terry, Lampard, Makelle, Couvalhio and Drogba the foundations for success at Chelsea were already there when Jose arrived. Simply put he was surrounded by better players and an owner prepared to back him in the transfer market.
There has been a soft underbelly to the Spurs teams for a long time. Ever since the side which contained the likes of Roberts, Miller and Perryman, we have lacked the real desire to win. One should respect Mourinho’s achievements, you cannot argue with them. Nevertheless, he has been sacked from his last three jobs and caused disharmony where he was. I hope, like most sensible Spurs fans, that he achieves success, but with Levy in charge of transfers, it will be difficult for a manager who is not used to being denied the players he wants, and Mourinho’s track record in the market is not unblemished. One can respect him but not necessarily like him.