Why should Spurs, or any top club, get a bye to the next round? Just so we can screw the little clubs a bit more? Just so we can push them a little further towards extinction? https://t.co/KOLqjQCBCH
— Oliver Holt (@OllieHolt22) September 22, 2020
Oliver Holt ran with perhaps what he thought was the plight of the underdog yesterday, and quite rightly, a good many Spurs fans responded with facts that didn’t fit Holt’s narrative. Indeed, its worth noting that when Ollie had calmed down, his piece for The Daily Mail later in the day was less hysterical.
What Holt missed entirely in his Tweet was that this fiasco was of Leyton Orient’s own doing, they created a situation whereby their club was riddled with positive COVID-19 tests.
Again, if players observe the good practice of controlled environments, then there is virtually no chance of infection. All it took was for one player not to bother, and the result would be almost inevitable. So that’s the virus covered.
However, beyond that, the rules are listed in black and white – and they were not constructed either by Spurs or to benefit Spurs! The bye, had nothing to with who Tottenham were. The EFL Regulations are not ambiguous (they’re dull, but not ambiguous).
Holt also overlooked that THFC paid for Leyton Orient testing, and that that Harry Kane sponsored Orient kits. The only monsters in this piece are the Orient Players who couldn’t follow the rules.
Yh it could not be completely orient fault family member could of given it to a player or a wife dont get me wrong rules be rules and thank god they took the testing offered just cant really condem the club 100%
Good points well made. Ollie Holt looks a bit silly, but then, like the Orient players, he was asking for it.
This is without doubt one of the best little corners of the internet And its not an echo chamber neither.
Looking forward to the videos again.
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10 players and 8 members of staff.
Perhaps you’re right. I had thought this was taken into consideration beforehand. The difficulty is that their schedule will pile up as well as ours. Who knows when they start playing again?
But the rules were made before all of this. They need to be tweeked no? Unprecedented times
Surly the big FA and a big prem club can scratch up the loss of revenue for Leyton. £150k? Haringey borough better make sure our players are c19 right for the FA cup first round proper. Tottenham chuck’m (leyton) a few quid to keep them first dibs sweet
Why does this (insert word that rhymes with stick/brick) hate Spurs so much.
Thats 2 articles put up that show real dislike for Spurs.
Anyway it is a broken contract. 2 teams agree to meet one team is all ready the other cannot field a fit for purpose team. But I suppose politics is holding up the inevitable.
You see them on the news PP – no brain cells – yes you (insert banned word) you may not feel a thing but what if you pass in on to your Mum/Dad/Gran etc.
Leyton. You’re not out of it yet. Its just a delayed spanking.
Unless you can show West Ham were negligent it’s unlikely anything will happen.
West Ham have had David Moyes and two players test positive for Covid. Although they immediately left the team before the game the risk remains that other WHU players could test positive over the coming days. Mind you, they would be the only positives from West Ham’s season so far. There were also concerns that Arsenal players might be at risk after last weekend’s game vs West Ham. Will there be any legal fall-out should that happen?
If the EFL are serious about completing the season then this then they couldn’t have asked for a clearer warning
The Guardian reported that the number of Orient players testing positive was in double figures, so this wasn’t an unfortunate one off mishap this was sheer negligence.
Orient’s chairman has also said that cost didn’t play a part, that they were willing to pay for tests before Spurs very wisely stepped in ( kudos to whoever took that decision at Spurs).
The real problem as the Orient chairman said was that after all the thousands of tests done by the EFL earlier in the year there were almost no positive results. This seems to have given the EFL a very misguided confidence and the tests were cut back.
If Covid-19 has taught us anything, it’s that there are more than enough bellends out there who don’t give a toss about other people or their own health to follow the rules. No matter how careful you try to be you cannot be entirely certain that people around you don’t have it.
This is spot on. The rules say bye, so let’s just follow the rules eh?
Maybe have a chat to Donald Trump and see what he can arrange with the Chinese?
Luxury. I was thinking more along the lines of an inflatable rubber dinghy and a Bradshaw’s.
I fully agree but was surprised at you describing Orient as the monsters who couldn’t follow the rules.
Too many to give them a fair go.
In one of those big peddle boats shaped like a swan
The idea is that only negatively tested players play each other, otherwise it’s a farce.
Issue lies with the clubs/EFL.
Over a dozen some reported up to 18 not all players.
This I agree with! I do wonder if only a few O’s players came back positve, why the game called off? just take them out of the game?
I think the TV money was allegedly worth £100k, so they’ve not done badly by any stretch.
Spurs are losing £3million every single match-day from denied fan spend. Maybe we can get the Chinese to divvy up the necessary?!
We can protect ourselves with masks in most walks of life,what happens to the players when an opposition players (not tested )screams a mouthful of droplets in their face during the game.
Any side refusing to be tested ought to be struck from the competition automatically for being too dangerous to reason with
I know a few people who’ve had CV19, but I don’t know anyone that’s caught it in the last number of months, because normal people have been taking precuations.
I’m afraid Orient brought it on themselves. It sounds like a bit too much partying by their lads?
If Orient are punished for the game not taking place due to over a dozen positive tests and Spurs get a bye,what happens the next time we are drawn against a lower league side who don’t want the same thing to happen to them and refuse the offer to be tested.It might be our players then not wanting to play and us forfeiting the game.
There’s got to be an argument for playing Dele in the cups this season against lesser opposition. Give him a chance to get his mojo back. If there is still no improvement then consider moving the lad on, perhaps in a swap deal with somebody.
The biggest lose was from the TV money as it was to be televised,I think Spurs paid around £5000 for everyone involved at Orient to be tested.Spurs also gave them £100k to cover their losses as a gesture
Doenst mean he makes teh squad, maybe he is there in a clown suit? Keep morale up with his finger tricks? That said, maybe Jose deems oppo poor enough to give Dele a last chance saloon – how does playing him impact a loan to PSG? I dont believe he is Champs league cup tied is he?
I doubt the “use post match” is the issue, covid does not last a long time on things, especially organic matter like grass (cant be bothered digging out the research, but ou can google it). I think the issue is as said above. The O’s could be being punished because an opposition player was un-tested and not careful.
Maybe they’ll drop him off somewhere along the way? I hear Paris is very nice.
yes – I agree. You could argue that teams shoudl do like Spurs did, but it is strongly in favour of rich clubs, as you say, O’s could have caught it from anywhere. So a rich side could easily take a punt, offer say 20 tests at around £2k, and hope that a player comes positive, you miss a game, get a bye and lose very little as stadiums are closed anyway.
Incredible stupidity. No duty of care towards the players by the EFL. I can only think that it is because it is outdoors (that the risk factor is considered to be slightly lower).
Dele Alli is travelling for tomorrow’s game
Football economics rarely factor in the important stuff.
Football in UK is probably harder to organise into ‘hubs’ where a number of teams can be based and isolated form the general community, which is what the AFL did in Australia to keep the Aussie Rules game going. Coupled with the still high levels of community spread it wouldn’t be easy.
My understanding is that lower league sides aren’t tested, because it isn’t mandatory, as it too expensive, hence Spurs paying for these tests.
The issue here lies with Orient, and if that means the O’s chairman begging the EFL for testing money, then so be it.
Pitches are environments, when everyone’s been tested who uses them.
I’m stunned the EFL didn’t think this through.
Good move by Spurs to get the O’s players tested for the ‘rona, It has a feel good factor about it. But maybe we were tipped off about it? On the plus side, it leaves the squad fresh for Thursday night. Now we are looking at a bye or a re-schedule but probably a bye because here is little room to move it to. However, clubs are going to have to up their testing regimes because this could really mess up the league if large enough numbers in each club contracts it and the clubs have trouble putting a team out.
I don’t know enough about the ins and outs of covid19 but am shocked that football can be played without knowing everyone is clear. It costs about £100 -£150 per test and if every player at the club,all back room staff and anyone else working at the club it would soon mount up for the lower league sides. If someone has symptoms they have to be tested but otherwise it’s only after the international breaks.Last year didn’t Liverpool have to play their kids when away at the World club cup final.
You are right, it may not have been of te O’s doing. Sadly, its the world we live in, and fixture congestion is real. There are 2 options here. The match is played and Spurs struggle with fixture congestion and have to sacrafice either the PL game, the Europa game or this one. How is that fair, or the game is cancelled and the negative CV team are given a bye. Not fair on the O’s if they caught it from another place.
What happens if the one player who didn’t bother and had the CV was an opposition player who gave it to the Orient players during a game.Orient took up the offer for a test at Spurs request unlike Hull who were also offered testing but declined.If it’s not compulsory to be tested how many Spurs players would have wanted to be in close contact with Orient players risking themselves and their families.A football pitch can only be declared a controlled environment if eveyone on it and around it are CV negative.West Ham declared they are only tested once a week now,and got tested on Monday but were unaware that three of them had caught the virus until 2 /3 hours before kick off.Orient could be tested every day off the week but if come match day the opposition haven’t been tested then there’s no guarantee the players can’t catch it during the game.If the weather had postponed the game it would be replayed,it’s harsh on anyone to penalise them in these difficult circumstances.