According to a source close to the club, Spurs finally interviewed for the vacant managerial position yesterday and the man up for the hot seat in N17 was Graham Potter. Quite which boxes the Brighton & Hove Albion coach ticks for ENIC is beyond me.
The Seagulls finished 16th and – one more time with feeling – one might expect a club with a billion-pound stadium to aspire to more. More importantly, it strikes me as ambitious to believe that Spurs’ squad would pay any more attention to Potter than they did to Mourinho.
When it comes to Levy, it’s less follow the money and more save the money
I think Potter probably tops my list of “managers that might actually accept the job and probably keep us in the top 6 if we have a clear out”
Its a very short list.
To rival City would probably require spend north of 500million.
Chelsea spent 200 million from a better base than us and finished well adrift of them.
I remember not so long ago we could go toe to toe with them but as they have improved we have regressed
We should be building our team around kane and going for the premier league. So I look at all the top prem teams as rivals.. They are competing against us. They stand in our way. Our hopes of winning evaporate.
Big Sam is a good shout for me. Relegation battle coming up. Club is in a downward spiral that we won’t get out of under Levy
With the greatest of respect how are Man City our rivals? If we sell him to City it will upset fans of United,Chelsea and Liverpool as they see their premier league and Cl hopes evaporate.
Nope.
Not disputing that Potter might be an interesting candidate but will he get a team into the top 4 four years running and win a Champions league?
Here’s the reading I have been doing for my homework…!
https://www.ipgbook.com/football-hackers-products-9781788702058.php?page_id=21
Martinez is 6/4 with William Hill
and next favorite is…
Poch 2/1 with Bet Victor
followed by
Tan Hag 3/1 with Bet Victor
then…
Rodgers 9/2 with Bet Victor.
Follow the money…
I’ll look into it more. Thanks… Every day is a school day
After some research (aka googling his name) I see now that Campos actually left Lille in December, after the change in ownership there. Surprised no one has picked him up, maybe there’s something to the rumors about shady business then.
Impressive CV though. Brought in Bernardo Silva, Mbappe, Falcao, Mouthino, Fabinho, Lemar etc. to Monaco. With him at Lille and Monaco, players were brought in for a total of £65 million and players were sold for over £500 million (2019 numbers).
Potter will prove to be a more successful manager than Poch or Dean Smith.
1 game is not a measure of success. A lot of teams played us off the park. Aston Villa played Liverpool off the park and us too, where did it get them? Where did Brighton finish?
Fundamentally it is a measure of chances created, you are right. Each chance is graded as a probability of scoring, based on field position and (supposedly) who takes the shot/header. So a shot from HK on the penalty spot would probably rank 0.7 whereas a header from Dier on the corner of the penalty area would rank something like 0.02.
I think Arsene Wenger was a big believer, hence his determination to get Arsenal as close to goal as possible before shooting. Shots from outside the box were a rarity as they were considered unproductive.
The same applies to defence; if you keep the opposition outside your penalty area, in theory you reduce greatly their chances of scoring.
World class finishers like HK, Aguero etc tend to score more goals than the xG stats predict, and great shot- stoppers do the same for goals conceded. But I think all experienced football watchers intuitively know this anyway!
Da, comrade!! 🤣🤣🤣
If he did it with that team then surely he could…….mmm then again !
Worth watching ‘Greavsie’ on BT sport.. Nice film/documentary, with some previously unreleased footage.
He’d be an interesting appointment but as Wenger said about Arsenal’s transfer policy, the fans wouldn’t tolerate players costing a few million.
Levy wants some one flash someone like Mourinho with a big reputation.
save wisely might be the better mandate under Levy
Would love Conte. Brendan Rodgers next. Dreaming though. The likes of Potter, Parker, Nuno and even Big Whale Sam being considered, really shows where we are.. The Lille or Ajax managers would do fine.. And if Kane wants out then he has to go abroad. Refuse to sell.. Or do the ‘David De Gea to Madrid’ fiasco. Make sure the paperwork arrives an hour too late.. If Kane goes then Jimmy Greaves will still be our greatest ever. He scored more and won stuff… Sir Alex would never sell him to a rival. We still have a small club mentality which is infuriating.
If you don’t toe the party line, it’s Siberia for you.
He’ll fix the defence alright.
Galthier I think he’s been linked with Nice owned by wealthy English man Jim Radcliffe.
Campos supplies players from his company and at a nice profit. There is a lot of eye brows being raised in France at what exactly is going on there. Nudge, nudge.
An apparent Hitchen recommendation.. It’s time for Hitchen to move on..
Quite! He’d be returning to find the same crap situation awaiting him ie some average, washed up players (who were perhaps no longer listening to him) and limited funds to dramatically turn things around. For the sake of your sanity, don’t do it, Poch! It’s generally a pretty sound saying that you can never go back!
You can quote all the stats you want, doesn’t change where they finished, does it? If that’s one of the criteria we would use to recruit a manager then God help us.
Perhaps the dice in this case is the unpredictable nature of VAR interpretations 🙂
Cheers for the link.
At first glance, it reads more like an indicator of chances created. Perhaps there’s an element of fortune, but it doesn’t seem to factor in benchmarking for specific players… i.e. who is more likely to score, Kane shooting from 8 yards or Dier from 18 yards. Both chances, but there are markedly different probabilities.
This sort of analytics appears to be more suited to betting markets.
Yes, after all, Ferguson highly recommended Moyes for the Man U job, but then, perhaps Moyes wasn’t given enough time to turn things around at a club that was showing definite signs of decline. Never a good time to join a club, when a cycle of sustained success is drawing to a close.
You think working with Levy will do his heart any good?
Agree on Brighton aspect. They missed a lot of chances. Had strong games against most the top sides because they had a good team ethic. I don’t think he’ll be a terrible appointment. However, will Potter attract top names? That may be the draw back, but to be honest I think Spurs need to be signing up and coming players rather than mega stars for the next season or so.
I would rather have Glenn Hoddle back…
Absolutely. Dean Smith is someone who I respect as he has learned from his first season, identified some good quality buys and progressed.
Nice? Wow. Thought they were an even smaller, mid table team. Seems like a sideways or rather odd move. But with big owners, maybe they can throw some money around.
Cue for a song “then was then and now is now”
Tone is not a logical fallacy🤦♂️ I’ve consistently stated why I don’t feel that Potter is the right manager. Don’t need a club to state an opinion, this platform will do nicely.
If I was a highly confident and talented manager I would only take the Spurs job on the understanding that I was to have full control in playing matters (it would, of course, still be the CEO’s say on whether the club could afford to sign this or that player that I requested). And if I didn’t get full control, I would resign and explain to the world why I had done so ie no gagging arrangements!
Brighton generally played well and just struggled to finish chances. Not as exciting as Leeds but i dont think Brighton were beaten heavily too often.
For all the well made and salient points peeps have made above, this is the reality as presented by stu
Think he’s off to Nice who are backed by Ineos
Sounds interesting. He did well to beat a PSG team containing Mbappe and Neymar.
I omitted to say Stein joined Hibs after Swan had stepped down.
https://understat.com/league/EPL/2020
XGoals for and against used to calculate winners on the basis of actual performances.
Widely used in sports analytics across Europe to advise top professional clubs how to maximise their chances of winning matches. Even MOTD briefly displays the results.
The disparity between XPts and actual league position arises because football has an element of fortune.
Podolski said” football is like chess, but played without the dice”. I think it is played with dice, to some extent.
Reflects the position that we are now at under Enic and Levy.
Exactly
It really wouldn’t be a complete surprise nowadays.
It’s impossible to do a proper job under the interfering control freak that is Levy and surely that’s now becoming universally accepted. I don’t suppose it will stop some young managerial hopeful from having a stab at the job, though and putting a dampener on their future prospects.
When Jock Stein was manager at Dunfermline, Hibernian’s autocratic chairman of the time, Harry Swan, made overtures to Stein, who – used to complete control at the Fifers – replied with a “brutally jovial” ‘Needing an office boy then, Harry’. Any sensible manager should reply in similarly withering fashion to our esteemed supremo.
Stein incidentally did join Hibs later where he quickly transformed them and unleashed the talents of probably the finest player most of you on this site have never heard of: Willie Hamilton. Of course, due to personal shortcomings, he didn’t have that outstanding a career but when Roy Aitken asked Stein how good Hamilton was, the big man’s reply was to think of Kenny Dalglish and imagine someone as good!
Politely declined? By the sounds of it, some of them slammed the shutters like a wild west shopkeeper when a gunfight’s about to kick off.
With an apparent lack of serious top targets showing interest, surely this is some sort of indication that elite level managers think working under Levy may not be worth the hassle…
How about that Galtier fellow at Lille? Dont think I’ve seen his name come up often as an alternative at Spurs. When he took over midways in the 17/18 season, Lille were 18th. This season they won the league. He’s been praised both for his tactics and his work with young talent.
Lille also have a famed sports director in Luis Campos… But maybe a double swoop from a team in a rather weak league isn’t what Levy is dreaming of
Regardless of stats, Brighton played us off the park earlier this season, at a point where we where still after top 4.
Inferior players making up a team that was able to make mugs of us. Give him some better players and see what he can do?
He’s been talked about for a few years as one of the best up coming managers – much more so than Eddie Howe or that mug at Leicester who’s a proven bottler – what did he do with Liverpool?
Finn clearly supports spurs, not enic, and points out the reality of the current regime . Wonder no more
Alladyce?
I’d rather have the pony in charge.
The only near certainty in all this is that the next manager will ultimately fall short. It’s just about impossible to fulfil potential under the poison dwarf.
Has it really come to this H?
Politely declined by supposed top targets so now on to the B list. Potter , Martinez.
I will have a pony on Scott Parker.
If Kane goes (and with Levy and Hitchen talent spotting replacements) we could well need someone adept at the beating the drop next season.
Chillax. Last week Nuno was odds on favourite.
At the end of the day, though, Brighton, without the idiot, Levy, is probably a lot easier to manage.
What on earth is a xPts table?
Surely the only table that matters is the actual points table.
Paddy Power stopped taking bets on him over the weekend.
Ah come on, seriously? He had Brighton avoiding the drop 2 years running. We’re trying to get back to securing CL spots at a minimum. Two completely different kettles of fish.
The Europa conference is a no win situation; club wins it amongst all those clubs that finished SEVENTH and the Lichtenstein cup winners and such like. Wow! And you’re prioritising this just so that we win some silverware, some absolutely pointless silverware.
Potter would be perfect, he has had Brighton playing fantastic all year and importantly they have a clear plan. Under Mourinho we were useless, time for a risk and an attack minded coach.
Potter just doesn’t inspire any confidence or ambition in me at all.
I know there are those saying he’s decent for his work off the field, but his stats aren’t particularly encouraging. Two seasons in the top flight and he’s got a 40% loss rate and his win rate is a smidgeon above 25%.
We’re in a situation where a club like Tottenham has an immediate need to get back into securing CL spots at least. I just don’t see how a coach who avoided relegation for two seasons is the man for the job. If saving clubs from relegation is good indicator of the right pedigree, then we may as well go for more experience and sign Allardyce. Jaysus wept.
Yes, of course they probably have been, Sandro.
We won’t have a decent striker soon. So no thanks
Yes, second tier choice of manager and entry into a third tier European competition. These truly are wonderful times; we’ve never had it so good!
Maupay cost Brighton approximately £20 mill from Brentford. Watkins cost Villa £25 mill from the same club. I was led to believe that Brighton felt Potter should have got better results and were going to review his position at the end of this season.
Poch is tipped for a second coming. 5/1 at some bookies. Just managed to come runners up again in a farmers league with some of the Worlds best players…..
That ship has sailed. No thanks.
So you were talking about strawmen and now you’re attempting a cute little logical fallacy of your own with that tone argument. Chill on the quotations geezer.
You’re clearly not a mug so why would you think I couldn’t comprehend your arguments? You didn’t make an argument initially to my actual positive case for Potter, in fact you didn’t even contradict it, so why are we concerning ourselves with comprehension of arguments now?
If you want to have a debate, join a club
It’s alright Mike. I’m sure even Martinez can look good if you use the right stats.
Exactly where did Brighton finish over the last 2 seasons? No x-this and x-that.
You’re also forgetting that Klopp won the Bundesliga with Dortmund and got them to the CL final so he had form as a good manager. Hardly a punt.
No… not Martinez… please.
If anybody as watched most of brightons games,if they had a decent striker they would be way up the league,a sound defence,creative midfield just missing the threat in from of goal.If levy and Enic are in charge i don’t think it matters who is manager.Levy is doing a fantastic job,saving Enic money,that’s his job,signing class players is not.Thats why we will never win the title,we have been close but adding another class player means spending money.We have had our chances and blew it,we are always looking for cheap options and bargain basement players.If we had acted like a top four side and sign bruno Fernandes when we were in front of the queue,or maddison when we again were favourites,same with grealish but it meant spending 60m ,20m or over 25m,would we be in top 4 with any of those players,i would say,100%,Yes.If kane leaves and we got say,Jesus,would we also spend 20 to 25m for Toney,who is scoring goals for fun,to support Jesus or run him in to the ground like kane with no decent back up striker.No chance when Enic can save 25m.While Enic are in charge we will win,nothing.
You and Vlad have switched my opinions to consider Potter suitable (although others are too).
Panic over… we’re apparently speaking to Martinez too. Stats please…
Considering Finn has contributed blogs to this site and his other posts and contributions it’s bleeding obvious who he supports. 🤦♂️
Inability to “stand up” to Levy is based on what exactly? Your feelings? Levy hired the most accomplished manager in world football (at the time). He certainly couldn’t “stand up” to Levy & ENIC could he? Otherwise he would have lasted a lot longer than 17 months!
I’m sorry mate, but I don’t see how by your own estimate, we’re anything other than doomed if what we need is someone with some abstract notion of bravery to singlehandedly force a multinational corporation to throw hundreds of millions at sporting achievements through sheer force of will.
At some point you have to stop trying to push past the brick wall that is material reality your idealism has run up against.
There is no irony present. You presented the fallacy, I merely pointed it out. Pep’s opinion carries some weight but if that’s your main basis for recruitment then I glad you have no say in it.
No, because he wasn’t proven at the level that we need and if you can’t comprehend the points I am making that is your problem, “my man”.
Pray tell who else could they have possibly bought chief?
Just what we need, another manager who won’t stand up to the chairman to get the players we need. In all your reading of the stats you may have missed the fact that a large part of our playing squad is sh*te. Maupay and Welbeck level in fact. Remove Harry Kane from our squad and the quality of the remaining squad is dire. There aren’t many managers that will be able to do much with that. We need a manager who can stand up to the chairman to get the player upgrades we need or, alternatively, a miracle worker. Potter isn’t either.
The irony of pointing out other people’s straw men. I think I’ll stick to listening to Catalonia Josep if it’s all the same to you!
Who is responsible for buying Maupay and Welbeck?
What you’re saying doesn’t mean anything my man. Sheffield United were challenging for Champions League in their first season promoted. Would you have taken Chris Wilder?
Agreed. I’d love a forward thinking manager to come in and really change our playing style, mindset and tactical awareness in the way Poch was trying to do. Whoever takes the job needs to be given the right tools for the job. We need more than a professional turd polisher. I’m not saying that Potter is that but i don’t think i can sit and watch another poor bloke try to get blood out of a stone and then get sacked for his troubles.
I wonder which club you actually support…
So he’s done his best with what he has at his disposal is what you’re saying? In that case, not the manager we need. If he’d improved them from 16th to 8th then I’d be interested as that shows progress but 2 seasons with no progress is not great credentials for a prospective candidate for the manager position. May as well go for Sean Dyche as well while we’re at it.
You make a fair point but you have to remember Potter gets professional footballers to perform in plays and write freestyles. His man management style is something that practically nobody in football has experienced before. He places extreme emphasis on psychology and mental health, forcing players outside of their comfort zone to make them more well rounded individuals on and off the pitch in an attempt to breed a cohesive mentality into them.
Poch babied Dele Alli for almost 4 years, allowing him to play his natural game as the prodigal son of Thomas Muller, and then when Levy let him down with recruitment, forcing us into the awful Winks Sissoko pivot, Poch failed to get Dele to adapt to playing in Midfield because he’s like quicksilver.
Jose challenged Dele with his usual confrontational style and reaped the benefits for about 10 games. Then it all started falling apart and when Dele didn’t respond to the firm hand, Jose made things worse by freezing him out. His way or the highway as per.
Perhaps it’s time for a different approach.
The only quantifiable that is valid is where they are in the league. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. You just used a heap of them.
That would be a no, but Pep loves him so he must be good🤔
If that’s your definition of success then you’re not setting your sights very high.
Someone saying someone is good is not an achievement, it’s an opinion. Reputation and record are key factors in any recruitment process as well as their performance at previous clubs. As to Mourinho, show me a manager who could work under the current regime and win a treble in 17 months. Classic straw man argument.
You and every other manager except Pep would be struggling to stay in league football with Welbeck & Maupay up front lmao. Turn it in.
I don’t think Potter would be a bad choice as our manager. I think he’s a very impressive candidate. Like i said, football is full of misguided perceptions. Would a Dele Alli respect/respond to a Steven Gerrard more than a Graham Potter? Probably. This is the issue we have. Our squad is full of under performing, over paid prima- donnas. If the plan is to rip up our squad and start again then i think he’s a great choice. However, we can’t ignore the amount of managers who’ve tried to get a tune out of this lot with zero success. I wouldn’t be against a complete overhaul but we all know Levy hangs on to a player until the price is right. Just speak to Danny Rose.
I’m glad you did chief, I get my comments removed here quite often because let’s just say I don’t get along very well with Harry and co.
Where are they in the league? I understand that stat.
We are so screwed
Brighton are improving under him are they?
The key attribute for me is not the management of the players the coaching or the tactics, its if anyone can manage Levy.
Anyone with any kind of resume will know about Levy; even if gag orders stop anyone bagging him in public. The grapevine will be full of rumours of how hard it is to work with him especially if your aspirations meet his avarice head on. Potter may just be niaive enough to think he just might be able to do a Poch, but maybe he sees a spell at THFC as a stepping stone to the level of top ten EPL club management.
Leaving HK aside, the re-build needs to be comprehensive, at least 7 players out as soon as possible and at least 4 quality players in. But the Internationals will hold that up and warp the perceptions of player values: I can’t see Levy biting any bullets and offloading for less that market price however much we need a sale to clear the shelves.
So much the same squad with a bit of cheap tinkering and tinsell, a journeyman coach doing the best he can within the parameters of what he’s been told.
I can see middle to bottom half of the table and that’s with HK: without him we might be severely embarrassed………. first Championship club to grace the ESL anyone?????