Date: 23rd January 2019 at 10:49am
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This isn’t an explosive blockbuster of a blog primarily in order to preserve anonymity; but hopefully still provides some insight.

The company involved play a significant part in the New Destination despite the apparent size of the contract the owner was pretty sallow about matters.

I was told that Levy himself and other were extremely personable and that the Club itself gives a good first impression.

This was then directly countered with a rather blunt confession that, given the opportunity to repeat the whole process, it would be politely declined and a tender would never have been submitted

Which was somewhat of a Django Unchained moment.

We are talking about a contract value that looks like a telephone number.

The issues are not complex.

Sure they are if you drill down into the minutia of endless diarised events, et al whilst describing how to conducted business in quicksand.

It became very evident, very quickly, that this poor person sounded an awful lot like they had tried to sell Spurs a footballer.

The Levyologists were incredibly quick in absolving Levy from all responsibility with the catch all excuse of, ‘all big projects overrun’.

We’ve dismissed this cobblers on numerous occasions.

Yes projects overrun, but not typically by what is essentially 40% of the anticipated time frame.

Nor do projects typically cost several hundred million more than estimated.

Nor do projects blow their contingency monies so fast – or was the decision to dilute the Nike deal and then mortgage it to the banks to raise more cash a just a coincidence that it occurred when the project was months past its opening date?

The contractor told me that initial discussions went well and all appeared well.

However there then began an endless cycle of going over the same aspects, again and again and again.

The tedium really set in as every item discussed then (in the mind of the club) had direct impact upon the ongoing discount/overall cost.

The contractor guessed it was a ‘divide and conquer’ tactic, reassessing the overall cost after every component part was added, but assured me that this didn’t effect the final pricing, it just demoralised everyone at the company.

I was told it was quite common for clients to be ‘new’ to numerous aspects of projects, but the swagger (for want of a less offensive word) displayed was bewildering.

This was further compounded by the involvement of equally unqualified ‘relatives’.

Whilst senior contacts at the club remained constant, on a day to day basis it was a revolving door of faces, organised chaos.

This contractor’s staff had never seen a working environment like it.

I was told it felt very much as if all the problems the project had encountered were self inflicted due to straightforward incompetence.

 
Comments
  • Aside from cerebrospinal fluid, what's on your mind?

  • Cabspur January 24, 2019 at 2:28 am

    http://www.cityam.com/272110/tottenham-overtake-juventus-and-close-arsenal-deloitte
    Hurrah more money to pay the debt before enic sell and swan off with a massive profit after investing 22mil.

  • Billy the yid January 23, 2019 at 10:54 pm

    As for the goodwill or not for our beloved leader, feom what I’m hearing from discussions on Facebook, his stock is falling quicker than our front line. I think the perfect storm he’s created, the stadium, the no transfer policy, and the obvious contempt for the fans, may well be enough to finally start a real drive to remove them if the game tomorrow, nxt Sunday and the next couple of league games don’t go well. And these are games we need to be winning for a top 4 finish, I fear without any of our danger men there, games against the lower sides who come to defend that generally cause us problems, may well cause even more in the nxt few weeks.

  • Billy the yid January 23, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    Can higuain play tomorrow??? I just got flashbacks of George weah going for a header, missing it by a mile and the ball hitting his shoulder and in in the last minute at that shit hole, if I remember rightly he signed the day before or something like that? As for the stadium, any news on when the bald bastard is giving that bonus back?

    • Chris January 24, 2019 at 12:31 am

      Nope!

    • Thepin January 24, 2019 at 9:39 am

      Thankfully no, he can’t. But I shared your trepidation there for a while. If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Blackburn sign Andy Cole just before he scored against us in a league cup final?

      • Billy the yid January 24, 2019 at 9:41 am

        Rings a bell. Alas seeing as we only have 4 fit decent players I fear it may not be an issue anyway. Be nice for some to stand up and be counted tonight. Losing to that pile of shit and letting them go home happy is a particularly nauseating thought

  • Nick January 23, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    Chelsea complete Higuain loan move.”it’s a team I’ve always liked,a team with a lot of history” 😂🤣🤪

    • East Stand January 23, 2019 at 9:35 pm

      His knowledge of English football is as extensive as my knowledge of cheese making…

  • dilly January 23, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    Burton 0 v Citeh 1 (Aguero) Citeh 10 v 0 (aggregate)

    All it takes is about £160m of talent to combine to get the breakthrough! Kevin de
    Bruyne plays a sensational pass from the halfway line into the run of Riyad Mahrez, he stands up his man on the right wing and plays it back to Sergio Aguero inside the area, he just passes it first time across goal and into the back of the net.
    (BBC Sport)

  • Ribeye January 23, 2019 at 7:57 pm

    Rabiot rumours again

    • East Stand January 23, 2019 at 9:37 pm

      Rabbit is the new Damiao or like Griezmann, always on the verge of a move that never seems to happen…

  • Daveyboi January 23, 2019 at 7:28 pm

    What I find most disheartening about the stadium debacle and the self imposed transfer embargo is that the fans aren’t up in arms about it.
    What has happened to the core fans?

    • Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? January 23, 2019 at 8:21 pm

      Priced out/fed up/next life/banned.

  • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    Piatek to AC milan for £35m, De jong to Barca £65m. Can someone tell me both would not improve our squad? Probably even first 11. £95m for 2 of Europe’s most up and coming players should be in our price range!

    • Dusty January 23, 2019 at 6:38 pm

      Nope not in our price range. Ask Sissoko…We can only afford 30Mil Max and like a car pay it over 5 years. :-0

      • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 6:54 pm

        Spent £42m on sanchez…i thought that was a new era in how we bought players.

  • dilly January 23, 2019 at 5:13 pm

    Spurs linked to Nikola Kalinic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n32Fx0UmBwQ

    • East Stand January 23, 2019 at 9:47 pm

      A loan if it happens I reckon…

  • dilly January 23, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    What makes Spurs so Special:

    “I think Tottenham’s identification with their fans and the Tottenham district is
    incredibly deep,” explained Klinsmann. “People live in Tottenham around White Hart Lane – and in 130 years, a Spurs fan base has evolved all over the world. No matter where I travel today, I meet Tottenham fans everywhere.”

    • East Stand January 23, 2019 at 9:44 pm

      Manure and Liverpool fans tell you till they’re blue in the face that their clubs are the key not ones with any kingly of worldwide support. Randomly I once bought some food from a stall in the street in Thailand and the guy serving told me he was a Spurs fan.

      • East Stand January 23, 2019 at 9:45 pm

        That was a bit of a Ronwol predicted text balls up, but you get my drift…

  • JimmyGrievance January 23, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    I stopped at ‘Good Business sense’

    Levy/ ENIC good business sense, not in this lifetime…..

  • OrganicPaper January 23, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    Wanyama possibly back for the weekend. Sissy and Maureen and available tomorrow. Marvellous.

    • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 4:28 pm

      Ah…when we are happy moura and Sissoko are fit you know life has taken a turn in the wrong direction.

  • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 3:07 pm

    Back to football rather than building…When is Son back? I know the finals are on the 1st, but does anyone know if there is a 3rd/4th place game? Or if he gets a week to return after their last game? Whats the deal? I can only imagine Newcastle game is too soon – unless they get knocked out at QTR’s as the Semi is 29th Jan. He will have played 4 games between 22nd and 25th Jan.

    • Aussie in Switzerland January 23, 2019 at 3:35 pm

      Yes, there is a 3rd/4th place game. It is the same as the Euro Cup.

      • Aussie in Switzerland January 23, 2019 at 3:37 pm

        Well there used to be anyhow

    • Harry Hotspur January 23, 2019 at 3:46 pm

      Son is back in 3 weeks?

      • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 3:51 pm

        so After the Leicester and Dortmund games? That would be over a week after the final?

        • Harry Hotspur January 23, 2019 at 4:46 pm

          You got it!

          • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 5:12 pm

            Part of me feels that is unlikely, but could you imagine expecting the England lads to play for club less than a week after the Euro’s?

    • OrganicPaper January 23, 2019 at 4:02 pm

      He’ll probably break his legs or something before then the way things have been going lately

    • Eddie January 23, 2019 at 4:06 pm

      Strangely I think he is yet to score in the competition.

      • Eddie January 23, 2019 at 4:13 pm

        Maybe he is playing deeper for S.Korea.

        • Aussie in Switzerland January 23, 2019 at 4:31 pm

          He takes corners for one

  • Tappaspur January 23, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    The project has been brilliant for me. All of this years rent has been paid in full 🙂 🙂

    • Tappaspur January 23, 2019 at 2:29 pm

      Plenty of work out there. Could jump on £300 a day tomorrow at battersea. I’m thinking of packing site work in.

  • PhilBealOG January 23, 2019 at 1:55 pm

    I had to laugh reading this because it perfectly encapsulates my own experiences when corporate accountants try to micro manage complex projects in areas where they have zero technical experience. They start off by being affable and apparently willing to listen but gradually begin picking at the estimates for individual project components with the objective of grinding down the will to resist of technical folks who are more interested in getting the job done. Eventually the technical folks give up and accept a lower number in the vain hope the SOBs will go away. As I have said before on this blog estimating is often as much of an art as it is a science and by squeezing out pennies from one place it is likely you are really just taking away contingency pennies that you will end up needing someplace else. I know this doesn’t seem to make sense but ask anyone who has actually managed large projects and they will tell you how difficult it is to come up with entirely accurate estimates for individual components because there are so many unknowns but if you base each number on past experience and the best information available the project gods will probably smile on you and bad surprises in one place will be offset by good ones elsewhere. However, if you cave in to the barrage of downward pressure from accountants the chances are you will just end up with bad surprises. As for the “swagger” they bring to the table it is amazing how a corporate accountant will turn into an arrogant bastard who knows everything within six months of coming into an area completely new to them. They wouldn’t for one moment think that a project manager could successfully run a company’s accounts with only six months experience but think it entirely feasible that they themselves could take over development of an atomic power station in the same period.

    • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 3:00 pm

      As A project manager for many years, and across a number of very different environments and technology (currently IT and security) this is brilliant and spot on. Especially the bit about the project gods will balance out the good and bad. What I would add though, is if you squeeze the contingency (both time and money) out of something then the good has no room to balance the bad. Very few projects run so ahead of schedule and under budget that they can balance the bad ones. If you are running under, pressure is off you tend to use the time you have, do the checks you wouldn’t always have time to do. If you are running over, its funny how the mindset changes (think you may rum over = work a little harder, few hours more a day, actually a little over = all hands to the pump, comfortably over = back to working as you have done “lets make them see the benefit of the delay”, WAYYYY over = “fuck it, lets just get it done and get out” or “lets milk the profit as much as possible here” – FYI that is not my attitude, but a general team attitude. A good PM will know the stages of attitude change and ensure they are managed to avoid burnout, or corner cutting and hopefully avoid further costs/delays)

  • East Stand January 23, 2019 at 1:22 pm

    ENIC have lied to everyone about the stadium, how much it would cost, how long it would take to build (not even six months but a full year out on a proposed 3 year build).

    Anyone who believes a word that comes out of their mouths is sadly extremely gullible.

    Those who eulogise about them are cretins…

  • Aussie in Switzerland January 23, 2019 at 1:13 pm

    So which player are we buying before the window closes? I hear Leeds are selling

  • Harry Hotspur January 23, 2019 at 12:59 pm

    bog

    The project probably has gone way over budget but not by the amounts they are talking about. These rumours will help them when they put it up for sale in the near future though. Its only a small part of the project but our company lost the steel contract to supply Morrisroe, the price for this was fixed for the duration. Most of the other materials would have been as well as nobody likes taking a risk nowdays.

    This is incoherent garbage.

    Don’t post here again.

  • Harry Hotspur January 23, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    Lilywhite without the II

    The point is this arshole wouldn’t behave like this if it was his own money..they know the debt will get paid even if it takes another 5 years as “real” success is irrelevant to them…Joe is happy as the debt will still get paid, eventually, and their asset will remain safe…
    I’m starting to feel most on here, including myself, are becoming the minority….

    “We need reinforcements”…but we’ve sold a useful player…..”we need reinforcements”…we took a poor player off the “to be sold” list…”we need reinforcements”….no more money left as its all been used due to poor management…..”we need reinforcements”….so difficult to replace N’cloudo or Janseen …..”we need reinforcements”…you cant buy anyone in January….”we need reinforcements”….no one is left who wants to deal with Levy………”we need reinforcements”….NO……

    To think (or hope) 6 months ago we might get Bale back makes us look really silly now….doesn’t it…

    Search for ‘Levy’ etc on Twitter.

    The jig is up.

  • Harry Hotspur January 23, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    themanfromroomfive

    “The contractor guessed it was a ‘divide and conquer’ tactic, reassessing the overall cost after every component part was added, but assured me that this didn’t effect the final pricing, it just demoralised everyone at the company”
    Hmmm… sounds like good business sense to chase every pound when a project has over-run by millions- why is he/you surprised?

    Good business sense.

    Good grief. If you can’t contribute anything intelligent, kindly **** off to Spurs Community or some other commune.

    WHAT GOOD BUSINESS SENSE????????

    Have you any idea how much debt we are in?
    Have you any idea how much money THFC loses every time we play at Wembley.
    This fiasco could not, I repeat could not have been handled worse, IF Daniel had set fire to one million pounds in cash before a spade was put in the ground.

    I get that people like you are mentally unwell, but I won’t entertain this nonsensical propaganda on here.

    Good business sense you say, despite everything.

    You’re mad.

    **** me, you are part of a religious cult.

    Go away.

    • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 2:39 pm

      I can only assume the “good business sense” is the chasing to re-coup as much as possible opposed to the sense it took to get us in the state in the first place. Think of it like over spending on redecorating your house by £50k then returning a lampshade.

      • Harry Hotspur January 23, 2019 at 3:04 pm

        All too accurate!

  • Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? January 23, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    Destroyed be twats. Deles out too. If we still get 4th now something is surely rotten in Denmark.

  • themanfromroomfive January 23, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    “The contractor guessed it was a ‘divide and conquer’ tactic, reassessing the overall cost after every component part was added, but assured me that this didn’t effect the final pricing, it just demoralised everyone at the company”
    Hmmm… sounds like good business sense to chase every pound when a project has over-run by millions- why is he/you surprised?

  • Lilywhite without the II January 23, 2019 at 12:24 pm

    The point is this arshole wouldn’t behave like this if it was his own money..they know the debt will get paid even if it takes another 5 years as “real” success is irrelevant to them…Joe is happy as the debt will still get paid, eventually, and their asset will remain safe…
    I’m starting to feel most on here, including myself, are becoming the minority….

    “We need reinforcements”…but we’ve sold a useful player…..”we need reinforcements”…we took a poor player off the “to be sold” list…”we need reinforcements”….no more money left as its all been used due to poor management…..”we need reinforcements”….so difficult to replace N’cloudo or Janseen …..”we need reinforcements”…you cant buy anyone in January….”we need reinforcements”….no one is left who wants to deal with Levy………”we need reinforcements”….NO……

    To think (or hope) 6 months ago we might get Bale back makes us look really silly now….doesn’t it…

    • Eddie January 23, 2019 at 12:56 pm

      I’m not sure we on here are in a minority,however once the punters start going to the new toilet in the next season(and it won’t be before)I suspect all these problems and the debt will soon be forgotten.And I don’t doubt that Levy is banking on people general short termism.
      He has so much to answer for,but I don’t think he will be held to account by anyone.I predict that the NFL sales will overtake those of the football club and the said club will be sold on.We can only hope that any new owners want a club that can win trophies and are prepared to back it with sufficient funds, not debt.

    • Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? January 23, 2019 at 1:56 pm

      Bale? It looks silly some expected Barkley to join… When some of the departed were putting him in their provisional new year squads last year I tried to tell em he would end up at Chelsea…. Spurs fans need to start protecting themselves from the constant mugging off from the owners.

  • bog January 23, 2019 at 12:19 pm

    The project probably has gone way over budget but not by the amounts they are talking about. These rumours will help them when they put it up for sale in the near future though. Its only a small part of the project but our company lost the steel contract to supply Morrisroe, the price for this was fixed for the duration. Most of the other materials would have been as well as nobody likes taking a risk nowdays.

    • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 12:22 pm

      Materials in a build of this level only represent about 50% of the costs, or less. Then the “fixed” costs depends on where you source. If you sourced offshore the dip in the £ raises costs. (doing this the years of Brexit is mad…). I agree though that the cost will be for the full complex, not the football ground. My worry will be that ENIC will push the burden of debt on THFC and the ownership of the non-footballing structures will be retained elsewhere enabling them to keep them post sale. Also to divert funds away from the football.

  • Aussie in Switzerland January 23, 2019 at 11:39 am

    In the multi billion dollar projects I have worked on, when this happens, heads roll. But then again, the heads that roll generally are not the owners of the project. Sure as shit, Levy won’t be suffering as a result.

    • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 11:55 am

      I know what you mean…that said, I have never seen a project over run by 40% and over budget by 100% without being moth balled. I was running a project a little while ago that was under budget by 2yrs late (6month project) but that was because the customer basically couldn’t afford it that years budget, so rather than formally bench it, wanted weekly updates.

      • Aussie in Switzerland January 23, 2019 at 1:14 pm

        On in Australia went from 16 billion to 25 billion. The project head was a woman….. Hehe, equality and all that.

        • Aussie in Switzerland January 23, 2019 at 1:28 pm

          *one

  • Only Me January 23, 2019 at 11:15 am

    Sounds like a large build being run like a home extension. People taking the minutia to heart rather than practicality. For me, the involvement of the Levy family would have had me walking away. I did a project very early on in my career where the CEO’s wife started to get involved (so similar to this), but was about IT. She started making crazy demands, like location of certain kit in the server room based on aesthetic appeal rather than practicality. In the end I had to speak directly to my boss and the customers CEO to point out all the risks of following her guidance (not just the breach of health and safety on some ideas). I ended up writing some huge risk letter (about 20 pages) to caveat my company to safety. In the end she backed off, but my working relationship with the CEO an customer dropped so far I ended up moving off before completion. Since then, if that ever happened I would nip in the bud on day one before the spouse felt she was a “valuable part” of the process.

  • OrganicPaper January 23, 2019 at 11:09 am

    side note – that’s no way to serve pie and mash

  • OrganicPaper January 23, 2019 at 11:06 am

    Much like the farce that is Brexit, I have a growing fatigue of the stadium debacle. Like Briext, I just wish the whole bloody thing had never been conceived. Even if I wanted them in the beginning, the process has been such a cluster fkuk of incompetence and self serving hubris I couldn’t careless now.

    And Im ‘just’ a punter. I genuinely do feel for anyone forced to work in any proximity to Levy, not least on a massively high profile project such as this.

    The Levy affect has even been blamed for a labour shortage that caused delays to cross rail when Baldy started handing out premier league wages to any sparky or fitter within a 50 mile radius of N17. Cretin.

    • Aussie in Switzerland January 23, 2019 at 11:49 am

      People will always prefer to work for non cunts before they work for cunts