The THST demands are driven by emotion and are too extreme… even if well meaning. Hopefully, it is just a ‘bargaining position’ and they will accept some diluted versions of the demands (for example… a non-voting member on the board)
By getting one shot in? PSG dominated for long periods without their best forward on the pitch. Citeh were very good defensively which was they key. We could have been done by a big score ,it was one nil but we were fortunate.
Which makes the usual drivel about Pochettino from the usual suspects even more suspect. He didn’t even play…
In his first season he got tough draws but got past both Barca and Bayern. Had Mbappe played tonight it could well have been a very different story.
I’d have him back tomorrow, I take it some loons would prefer anyone but him. That’s because they’re loons…
Finn
2 years ago
There’s a certain synergy in changing just one letter when describing the Supporters Truss – and it more properly reflects the herniated nature of the 6 point plan!
But true to form, they miss the key point – Levy HAD to go along with the ESL: we simply could not have afforded to be on the outside looking in if it had proceeded. We were/are in the weakest position of the group of six and being left on the sidelines would have potentially condemned us to the “Championship Plus” status the rest of the teams not in the ESL, would have had.
What amazes me more than anything is the way the ESL imploded. We are talking about billion dollar organisations planning a breakaway: surely their plans took public opinion into account. They must have anticipated the response from FIFA/EUFA and politicians and others climbing on popularity bandwagons and had some sort of plan to overcome these obstacles?
It seems not: the whole thing was wet – like shaking hands with a lettuce: no commitment, no intent, just uncontested and miserable failure at the very first hurdle. The people running these business should be thrown out: they are a disgrace. Not for the proposal, but for poor preparation and failure on a grand scale to even take a first step towards their objectives.
But overarching this, is the success for the existing hierarchy and their footballing paradigm, because this is also failing. The game is tumbling out of control towards goodness knows what end; a chaos reminiscent of boxing under Don King. The ESL did have a direction in mind, albeit unpalatable; but there is no direction (except perhaps misdirection), in the frantic, money-grabbing train ride on which we are all passengers.
The ESL should have been a wake-up call but instead it served to demonstrate the grip the controlling bodies and their media masters have on the games throat.
More competitions, more games, more internationals, more meaningless pre-season fixtures; saturation without thought to player health and fitness, football fair play rules flouted…… the list just keeps growing as more ways to make money are thought of and the game is mutated, just that little bit to allow it.
Those mutations may seem minor but then how minor are other mutations like say, Covid variants, or the DNA variant between a Human and a Chimp?
More and more people are starting to see that VAR and the rule changes (largely to accommodate VAR) achieve no net benefit. The number of mistakes made now compared to pre-VAR don’t seem that different, except that the errors with VAR are clearly seen, reviewed but then ignored by the referees/adjudicators until enough weight is brought to bear to re-change the previous changes to rules which were not properly thought through and defied common sense. What net gain is there? Is the game better off? How much money stands to be made exploiting the stoppage time for VAR reviews?
The ESL may not have been the best of ideas, but it should have been heard as an alarm, a bugle call to wake up and look around at what is being done by footballing governance to cow-tow and obey their US media organisation paymasters, looking to tap into and then thoroughly exploit football as a resource. Does anyone actually think that rapacious, corporate executives at the top of the tree see any difference in Football as a resource to say Oil, Forests, Precious Metals, Rare Earth Mineral Deposits, Fisheries, etc.?
Governments support these activities up to and including invasions and wars to secure these assets. Football is a global asset and they want to own it, control it and exploit it: they won’t care about the integrity of it and if they turn it into a muppet show because that’s more profitable – they will!
Blinkered attempts to hi-jack the six UK clubs involved are like school kids protesting the cutting down of three trees to allow room for new classrooms. No forethought, no analysis, no imagination, no context….basically no clue.
The THST have said nothing about Levy and the board resigning for failure to win trophies, not backing or undermining managers, selling key players, poor player purchases, etc., but given the one thing this year that Levy “had to do” to keep the club in the running, they start spouting this nonsense.
Their support needs more that just a truss methinks!
Header hit the crossbar doesn’t count? Tactical master report inaccurate, Kevin. Don’t let a fact get in the way of showing how insightful you are.
David Dillenberg
2 years ago
Digressing, watching the West Brom 1-1 draw against Wolves apart from a desire to recruit in demand Baggies keeper Sam Johnstone in the summer another player who caught my eye was the Senegalese 29 yr old striker Mbaye Diagne on loan from Galatasaray to WBA. Strongly built tucked away nicely that deliciously inviting cross headed goal. Surrounded by better players IMO he is worth a punt me thinks!!
With all due respect if you know nothing whatsoever about the Trust (which incidentally attracts a large membership) what gives you the entitlement to make unjustifiable generalised flippant remarks?!!
Being a paid up member of the THST, given that the Board have irreparably breached the trust of the Trust sadly resulting in instant collapse of the consultation process via the recent inflammatory actions taken by the Board tarnishing the image of the club, bringing the club into disrepute liable for potential punitive punishment and potential points deduction arising from it’s unwise decision to join the ESL, naturally I fully endorse the robust stance taken by the THST in this connection and encourage my fellow comrades to similarly support their position.
True. Having a few token fans on the board –without any relevance to, or impact upon the proceedings – might be an effective gesture to appease the mob and keep the government wolves away from the door.
I wonder if they will get slapped by an NDA or some such to make the matter even more empty.
Cali
2 years ago
Pochettino failed again and Mourinho has been hired again what do I know football is amazing.
Chelsea are not so stupid, what they fear is Government legislation so how better to stop that than get in first and be seen to be open to having fans on board.
By the way, if you want to see the difference a top CB can make to a side, look no further than Ruben Dias today (and possibly throughout the season – I haven’t watched City that often). He put his body on the line and blocked about 5 PSG shots/crosses from promising positions, which in turn energised and motivated the rest of the backline.
This is what buying your coach’s preferred targets gets you. Granted, 65M is a lot, but the difference between that and what we paid for our record signing Tanguy is not so vast.
Who knows? The whole THST effort seems absolutely brazen and detached from reality, but Chelsea, for example, have already committed to involving three “supporter advisors” in board meetings – without any sort of voting rights, just “to offer advice on a broad range of matters”.
“So, the ESL project is back on, the board is overwhelmingly in favour, but now let’s ask Gaz, Pete and Greg from the local pub.”
I know nothing about the THST but why would ENIC entertain their demands any more than say the Outer Mongolian Tottenham Hotspur Fan Club? They seem to have anointed themselves as the representative body of the Spurs fan base when in actual fact they represent their members which I suspect is a fraction of our global fan base. Their of list of achievements use language such as ‘worked closely with… and tenuous levels of engagement gets recorded as tangible achievements. I mean there is some real parish pump stuff on there. This one cracked me up:
Worked with grass roots fans and the Club on atmosphere initiatives, helping produce and display banners and surfers. Successfully lobbied the Club to deal directly with fans interested in delivering such initiatives.
Thfc is a business, and like it or not, the ESL made business sense, and the fact clubs made profit in lock down proves TV and European football is the golden goose. Their only failing really was no relegation. Football was created by the rich, adapted by the rich, adopted by the poor and the rich have milked them for every penny ever since. Even the local club rhetoric was created when fans in seats was the most important thing. Levy played a hand, but don’t kids yourself, this game is not over as it makes business sense.
off topic … I see Poch hasn’t learned anything from playing an unfit Kane in the CL final. Tonight he’s got Mbappe playing who clearly not fit. 🤷🏻♂️
Pablito
2 years ago
I own my own business. If a bunch of random people (customers or not) decide to roll up and try to illegally storm into my company and insist on taking control of my business, I’m supposed to lay out the welcome mat and add another chair around the board table. Not in a western democracy in the 21st century you don’t. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Apart from that, jog on.
James McKevitt
2 years ago
How do I get my free shares?
Lilywhite without the ll
2 years ago
The problem with the Trust is they’ve gone from tea and biscuits to full nuclear war with no substance in between…
Lilywhite without the ll
2 years ago
Ive got my own 6 point plan…I’ll send my PayPal link shortly to sign up….
Mike
2 years ago
Point 1: Reasonable to ask for at least a personal video apology from the board for ‘attempted theft’ so to speak (as opposed to the dry written apology given so far). But board sacked – hmmm.
Point 2: It would be a ‘good sign’ by Levy to pay for any fines, but that’s the best we could hope for
Point 3: New board. Hmm… lets give it to Fred down the chip shop, he knows more about Football than Levy (and can do a good batter) Errr… but it would be good if someone with good sense could advise Levy.
Point 4: That could be really good for football (as per German football)… but it would probably not occur unless the Govt made it compulsory
Point 5: Key decisions cleared by THST … hmm don’t think so. It’s like Celebrity get me out of here… “Oi you Levy … Eat a fire ant and ouji bug because you’ve been voted too”
etc…etc..
The way you put pressure on modern firms is through sponsors. Hit up paint suppliers on social media and complain/make-fun of THFC. Do the same for Under Armour… Sponsors can get very sensitive.
Yup.
USA sport thrives on a no promotion/relegation system. The biggest most financially successful franchises in the world.
You are a Marxist
It doesn’t attract a large membership at all DD.
There are probably more Cowdenbeath fans on Earth.
The THST demands are driven by emotion and are too extreme… even if well meaning. Hopefully, it is just a ‘bargaining position’ and they will accept some diluted versions of the demands (for example… a non-voting member on the board)
By getting one shot in? PSG dominated for long periods without their best forward on the pitch. Citeh were very good defensively which was they key. We could have been done by a big score ,it was one nil but we were fortunate.
Which makes the usual drivel about Pochettino from the usual suspects even more suspect. He didn’t even play…
In his first season he got tough draws but got past both Barca and Bayern. Had Mbappe played tonight it could well have been a very different story.
I’d have him back tomorrow, I take it some loons would prefer anyone but him. That’s because they’re loons…
There’s a certain synergy in changing just one letter when describing the Supporters Truss – and it more properly reflects the herniated nature of the 6 point plan!
But true to form, they miss the key point – Levy HAD to go along with the ESL: we simply could not have afforded to be on the outside looking in if it had proceeded. We were/are in the weakest position of the group of six and being left on the sidelines would have potentially condemned us to the “Championship Plus” status the rest of the teams not in the ESL, would have had.
What amazes me more than anything is the way the ESL imploded. We are talking about billion dollar organisations planning a breakaway: surely their plans took public opinion into account. They must have anticipated the response from FIFA/EUFA and politicians and others climbing on popularity bandwagons and had some sort of plan to overcome these obstacles?
It seems not: the whole thing was wet – like shaking hands with a lettuce: no commitment, no intent, just uncontested and miserable failure at the very first hurdle. The people running these business should be thrown out: they are a disgrace. Not for the proposal, but for poor preparation and failure on a grand scale to even take a first step towards their objectives.
But overarching this, is the success for the existing hierarchy and their footballing paradigm, because this is also failing. The game is tumbling out of control towards goodness knows what end; a chaos reminiscent of boxing under Don King. The ESL did have a direction in mind, albeit unpalatable; but there is no direction (except perhaps misdirection), in the frantic, money-grabbing train ride on which we are all passengers.
The ESL should have been a wake-up call but instead it served to demonstrate the grip the controlling bodies and their media masters have on the games throat.
More competitions, more games, more internationals, more meaningless pre-season fixtures; saturation without thought to player health and fitness, football fair play rules flouted…… the list just keeps growing as more ways to make money are thought of and the game is mutated, just that little bit to allow it.
Those mutations may seem minor but then how minor are other mutations like say, Covid variants, or the DNA variant between a Human and a Chimp?
More and more people are starting to see that VAR and the rule changes (largely to accommodate VAR) achieve no net benefit. The number of mistakes made now compared to pre-VAR don’t seem that different, except that the errors with VAR are clearly seen, reviewed but then ignored by the referees/adjudicators until enough weight is brought to bear to re-change the previous changes to rules which were not properly thought through and defied common sense. What net gain is there? Is the game better off? How much money stands to be made exploiting the stoppage time for VAR reviews?
The ESL may not have been the best of ideas, but it should have been heard as an alarm, a bugle call to wake up and look around at what is being done by footballing governance to cow-tow and obey their US media organisation paymasters, looking to tap into and then thoroughly exploit football as a resource. Does anyone actually think that rapacious, corporate executives at the top of the tree see any difference in Football as a resource to say Oil, Forests, Precious Metals, Rare Earth Mineral Deposits, Fisheries, etc.?
Governments support these activities up to and including invasions and wars to secure these assets. Football is a global asset and they want to own it, control it and exploit it: they won’t care about the integrity of it and if they turn it into a muppet show because that’s more profitable – they will!
Blinkered attempts to hi-jack the six UK clubs involved are like school kids protesting the cutting down of three trees to allow room for new classrooms. No forethought, no analysis, no imagination, no context….basically no clue.
The THST have said nothing about Levy and the board resigning for failure to win trophies, not backing or undermining managers, selling key players, poor player purchases, etc., but given the one thing this year that Levy “had to do” to keep the club in the running, they start spouting this nonsense.
Their support needs more that just a truss methinks!
Header hit the crossbar doesn’t count? Tactical master report inaccurate, Kevin. Don’t let a fact get in the way of showing how insightful you are.
Digressing, watching the West Brom 1-1 draw against Wolves apart from a desire to recruit in demand Baggies keeper Sam Johnstone in the summer another player who caught my eye was the Senegalese 29 yr old striker Mbaye Diagne on loan from Galatasaray to WBA. Strongly built tucked away nicely that deliciously inviting cross headed goal. Surrounded by better players IMO he is worth a punt me thinks!!
“It’s a funny old game”!!
With all due respect if you know nothing whatsoever about the Trust (which incidentally attracts a large membership) what gives you the entitlement to make unjustifiable generalised flippant remarks?!!
Absolute cobblers me lud!!
Being a paid up member of the THST, given that the Board have irreparably breached the trust of the Trust sadly resulting in instant collapse of the consultation process via the recent inflammatory actions taken by the Board tarnishing the image of the club, bringing the club into disrepute liable for potential punitive punishment and potential points deduction arising from it’s unwise decision to join the ESL, naturally I fully endorse the robust stance taken by the THST in this connection and encourage my fellow comrades to similarly support their position.
Ha lets ask lifelong Chelsea fan Token Pete
True. Having a few token fans on the board –without any relevance to, or impact upon the proceedings – might be an effective gesture to appease the mob and keep the government wolves away from the door.
I wonder if they will get slapped by an NDA or some such to make the matter even more empty.
Pochettino failed again and Mourinho has been hired again what do I know football is amazing.
Atmosphere initiative, there’s a job description to wow people with.
Chelsea are not so stupid, what they fear is Government legislation so how better to stop that than get in first and be seen to be open to having fans on board.
By the way, if you want to see the difference a top CB can make to a side, look no further than Ruben Dias today (and possibly throughout the season – I haven’t watched City that often). He put his body on the line and blocked about 5 PSG shots/crosses from promising positions, which in turn energised and motivated the rest of the backline.
This is what buying your coach’s preferred targets gets you. Granted, 65M is a lot, but the difference between that and what we paid for our record signing Tanguy is not so vast.
Yep, Mbappe didn’t play at all.
yeah – Ryan mason got his team to have at least have one shot on target against citeh.
tactical master class over poch !
Who knows? The whole THST effort seems absolutely brazen and detached from reality, but Chelsea, for example, have already committed to involving three “supporter advisors” in board meetings – without any sort of voting rights, just “to offer advice on a broad range of matters”.
“So, the ESL project is back on, the board is overwhelmingly in favour, but now let’s ask Gaz, Pete and Greg from the local pub.”
Purposeless nonsense.
Mbappe sat it out on the bench, didn’t he?
I know nothing about the THST but why would ENIC entertain their demands any more than say the Outer Mongolian Tottenham Hotspur Fan Club? They seem to have anointed themselves as the representative body of the Spurs fan base when in actual fact they represent their members which I suspect is a fraction of our global fan base. Their of list of achievements use language such as ‘worked closely with… and tenuous levels of engagement gets recorded as tangible achievements. I mean there is some real parish pump stuff on there. This one cracked me up:
Worked with grass roots fans and the Club on atmosphere initiatives, helping produce and display banners and surfers. Successfully lobbied the Club to deal directly with fans interested in delivering such initiatives.
👍😂
It says so on his BBQ you know.
Thfc is a business, and like it or not, the ESL made business sense, and the fact clubs made profit in lock down proves TV and European football is the golden goose. Their only failing really was no relegation. Football was created by the rich, adapted by the rich, adopted by the poor and the rich have milked them for every penny ever since. Even the local club rhetoric was created when fans in seats was the most important thing. Levy played a hand, but don’t kids yourself, this game is not over as it makes business sense.
He’s magic you know
Poch might be free at the end of the season…
off topic … I see Poch hasn’t learned anything from playing an unfit Kane in the CL final. Tonight he’s got Mbappe playing who clearly not fit. 🤷🏻♂️
I own my own business. If a bunch of random people (customers or not) decide to roll up and try to illegally storm into my company and insist on taking control of my business, I’m supposed to lay out the welcome mat and add another chair around the board table. Not in a western democracy in the 21st century you don’t. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Apart from that, jog on.
How do I get my free shares?
The problem with the Trust is they’ve gone from tea and biscuits to full nuclear war with no substance in between…
Ive got my own 6 point plan…I’ll send my PayPal link shortly to sign up….
Point 1: Reasonable to ask for at least a personal video apology from the board for ‘attempted theft’ so to speak (as opposed to the dry written apology given so far). But board sacked – hmmm.
Point 2: It would be a ‘good sign’ by Levy to pay for any fines, but that’s the best we could hope for
Point 3: New board. Hmm… lets give it to Fred down the chip shop, he knows more about Football than Levy (and can do a good batter) Errr… but it would be good if someone with good sense could advise Levy.
Point 4: That could be really good for football (as per German football)… but it would probably not occur unless the Govt made it compulsory
Point 5: Key decisions cleared by THST … hmm don’t think so. It’s like Celebrity get me out of here… “Oi you Levy … Eat a fire ant and ouji bug because you’ve been voted too”
etc…etc..
The way you put pressure on modern firms is through sponsors. Hit up paint suppliers on social media and complain/make-fun of THFC. Do the same for Under Armour… Sponsors can get very sensitive.