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Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
5 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

I don’t know what that is. What the fuck does that even mean?… I stand by my ‘noone’ evaluation.. And these are the basics and fundamentals of the game.

Cabspur
Cabspur
5 years ago

Hey Aussie how ya doing?
Enjoying relative freedoms of life and a nice summer?
Hoping to get over your way in 2022 ,we shall see.

East Stand
East Stand
5 years ago

Peter Noone…wasn’t he in Herman’s Hermits?

Aussie in Switzerland
Aussie in Switzerland
5 years ago

I was here when the purge of nutsacks occurred.

Aussie in Switzerland
Aussie in Switzerland
5 years ago
Reply to  The Boy

Yeah that carnt of a thing

Limerick AL
Limerick AL
5 years ago
Reply to  East Stand

Spot On, and its beginning to dawn on him that hes been handed a Poisoned Chalice only this Chalice is 100% pewter.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago

No Of Mice And Men fans here, I see. Too bad!

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago
Reply to  makatiandy

Ndombele
Aurier
Kane (yes, look at his assist stats, while his goal tally remains high)
Arguably Son
Temporarily Dele and Dier

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

What

BARD
BARD
5 years ago
Reply to  makatiandy

Chelsea consistently spend money on quality players.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Who are you quoting? Flowers? Benny?

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
5 years ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Davies is a nightmare.. They targeted him the whole fucking game. Lloris Toby Coco and Lucas were ok… The rest weren’t far off Davies.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

These are not options but necessities of running a football club.. We have a manager who is doing a major rebuild… Our group at this moment in time our not a top four team.. Which is why we don’t compete in the champions league, and it’s why we are eighth in the league.

BARD
BARD
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

As succinct a summary as you’ll ever read.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
5 years ago

Many old hands are gone mate.. I miss Ronwolfs insightful views.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
5 years ago

Same

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
5 years ago

It’s worrying when noones looking for the ball. Noones helping each other. The ball carrier has no options because noone is running in to space. Too many hiding. Noone wanted the ball UNTIL Coco and Lucas came on. Those two were trying at least.. I’m worried.. We struggle to make 2 or 3 passes. Noone is good enough to take the ball past players.. So we resort to sideways and backwards and hopeless hoofs long that usually end up their ball… Long balls from lloris and the defence that come straight back because we can’t get hold of the ball, we can’t string passes together, so we have no possession… Half of our squad seemingly lack football intelligence.. The standard without Kane has been shocking.. We are not even doing the basics.. And people say we aren’t a one man team. I beg to differ.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Lo Celso has scored about 2 goals in 2 years and is injured more often than not.. Not great signs for a young lad. He arrived injured and unfit. Has picked up numerous injuries repeatedly, and is injured now I believe… Another waste of money that one.

MrChickenhead
MrChickenhead
5 years ago

The same ones who got the last manager sacked Bc they couldn’t handle the training to play.

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  LIMERICK AL

And 3 points away.

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard

Haha. Redschnaps debunked, now Bielsa!

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  whitevanman

Absolutely spot on. Is it the system or the lack of quality re players?

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Cups, taken seriously and an example of a winning metric. We’re still active on several fronts and Harry will be back.

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

C L final was effectively Kane-less (shouldn’t have played but with what Moura has offered since re scoring Kane had to start). JM said in his presser how important Kane is to the team. Fit Kane today? Different result? Or hope for the team? Probably.

James McKevitt.
James McKevitt.
5 years ago

Really shameful performance from some players who just don’t care about the club but don’t mind taking the money.

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Agree but would also add we are set up to play too much football in our defensive half. We have total football in our half. Even Brighton had twice as many shots as we did last game because the ball is simply always there.

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago

How many balls were played to advantage to Vinnie? Not saying he is the answer but we do not transition effectively. Ask Sonny.

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Only if he was sold for big money so JM can get the type of player he wants. Dele will never play effectively in this system. Meanwhile Levy is allowing depreciation at a galloping rate.

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Agree with all of the above. But will add Tuchel had Cheatski playing positive confident football after 2 weeks, even with poor forwards. New manager bump, or tactically astute enough to set up and play the way he wanted?

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

He was on the ground looking at him! No one can excuse this type of defending. JM did say it wasn’t a pen though.

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  Cabspur

After 18 months with a manager how can they be scared? They are well paid, many of them internationals and have a master tactician as manager?
Even Lamela came on and contributed more attacking play and energy than most.

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago

It’s the element in the room, isn’t it. Which players has JM developed or improved in the last 18 months?

makatiandy
makatiandy
5 years ago
Reply to  BARD

So why don’t we sell him and get in a mid who can play the way JM wants?

Cabspur
Cabspur
5 years ago

I think most of them are just scared….

Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

bravo…

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

“Just look at the flowers Benny”

Cabspur
Cabspur
5 years ago

Aint that the truth..

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago
Reply to  BARD

Precisely. This squad is not the product of the last year, but of the year when we didn’t sign anybody, as well as of many other transfer windows when we couldn’t address the deficiencies of the squad while moving out the deadwood.

Poch was overachieving for some time, but his last year and a half started showing that we would have to face the consequences of our idiotic transfer policy. We didn’t “get away” with not signing anybody – it only takes more time for the flaws to show.

Lamela’s been here 8 years. He should have been moved on after about three (remember the YEARS he spent getting his hips fixed?). Rose hasn’t contributed in a year (unless you count his appearances in the newspapers). Dele has fallen off spectacularly, as have Sanchez, Davies, Dier. What was the point of Gedson? And Bale, for that matter?

Lucas, Bergwijn and Winks are inconsistent. (At least Bergwijn is younger and can improve.) Vinicius currently isn’t good enough. Sissoko puts in the effort but let’s face it, he was extremely awful for a couple seasons and now he’s average and the contrast makes him look decent.

Rodon is young and needs time, while Toby is getting older and probably won’t play twice a week anymore (at least not now). Aurier was bad and has improved under Jose somewhat. Doherty is a new guy, but he’s atrocious.

Leaving us with the magnificent 7 of Lloris, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Kane and Son. These are not flawless players at all (maybe except for Kane), but compared to the rest, they are world beaters – and so probably will be (and some have been) overplayed to the point of injury/burnout. See Son’s recent performances for reference. He needs a rest, Hojbjerg needs a hell of a rest but if he doesn’t play, the midfield is a shambles. So he has to play and he does, the Terminator that he is.

Add to that the fact that we can’t seem to get rid of our players in time (Eriksen could have gone for maybe 60-70 million, Dele probably too) and that’s it. Losing money on salaries and transfer fees; players who don’t want to be here are still here due to being priced out of a move; the “sell to buy” principle.

We have a crap squad: players who have long since run their course here; players who aren’t good enough; and good players who suffer because of the long-term transfer negligence.

This is why shouting at Jose misses the mark. It doesn’t matter if it’s Poch or Jose or the latest cool German manager. The buck stops with Levy.

Last edited 5 years ago by CzechSpur
BARD
BARD
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

I think it’s impossible to judge if Jose still has it until we buy defensive replacements. This squad to me felt like it was on a precipice the night of the CL final. It was the end of an era. One last hurrah and we blew it. Everyone except Levy knew the squad was going to plummet due to awful recruitment over a sustained period and here we are. 6 max 7 of the whole fking squad are of the required standard. I cant even look at a picture of Daniel Levy without raging inside.

England Mike
England Mike
5 years ago

We have a system that is clearly not working, we have a midfield that offers no protection to the defence or supporting our desperately limited forward play .
The defence is having to play under constant pressure for most of the time in every single match, and players like Son are suffering the consequences of playing in such an alien style of play , is offering nothing.
It’s a nonsense and there is no future in performances like this, we are anti football and don’t even look like a PL team, I sympathise with the players because as much as they want to believe in the manager, they must have doubts about what is being asked of them.

BARD
BARD
5 years ago

I agree. I think Ndom is fairweather. A worldbeater in a flowing attacking team. Alas that’s not us. He won’t be at Spurs for more than 2 or 3 seasons. IMO

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago
Reply to  Dexter

Fair enough. I believe the plan is to learn to defend first and to attack second – so when we lead, we can choose to go for the jugular or to sit on it and counter.

We attacked quite a lot at the start of the season until the West Ham game. Then the focus was more on the defence. Both worked for a time; right now, nothing works as it should due to injuries, bad performances, low confidence levels.

I still maintain we need new players to see what Jose truly wants to do. Too many of the current crop are broken.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago
Reply to  BARD

Exactly. Hence why I always call for new/different/better players.

BARD
BARD
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

I said after we beat them early this season that they looked a team on the up. They need a centre half and a striker but generally very good.

BARD
BARD
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

There’s only so long you can defend resolutely without more quality defensive personnel.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago

Hate to say it, but spam recruited very well in Benrahma, Bowen, Soucek and Coufal (the latter two are both Czech so I know them and they are bargains). Four players that went straight into the starting line-up.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago

Celso needs to be fit – when he plays, he’s very good, but we can’t have another Lamela clogging up a squad spot.

Ndombele is one of our best players.

Dexter
Dexter
5 years ago

He was doing all he could to stab the ball away lying on the floor, while Toby and Sissoko stood watching him from 4 yards away.

East Stand
East Stand
5 years ago

It wouldn’t be pretty…

Aussie in Switzerland
Aussie in Switzerland
5 years ago

Glad you are rid of that stupid bloody thing which stopped me commenting here for 2 years.

Another loss, another divorce….. How are the old hands here these days?

Dexter
Dexter
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Defend and counter may be part of your gameplan, but you’re winning no cups and certainly no leagues if that’s your be-all and end-all. You can defend all day, but when we’re in possession, nobody has a Scooby doo where they’re supposed to be or what they’re supposed to be doing. Not a clue. No understanding, no cohesion.
The Kane-Son partnership can only sail this mob of pirates so far. The boat is sinking and the captain has no back-up plan.

Last edited 5 years ago by Dexter
East Stand
East Stand
5 years ago

Levy really has some questions to answer. He sacked the previous guy after not backing him and he brings in a new manager and doesn’t back him either in the way a manager like Jose has always has been backed. So, what was the point?

A quick fix, to try and keep us in the top 4 and win a trophy I suspect.

When Levy hired Jose his words were; “we have fantastic squad of players, they just need to get back to winning ways”

He genuinely has never felt that this squad needed investment, I have no idea what Jose might have said to him before he took the job but there was a lot of “unbelievable” and “amazing” flying about when asked about the players. If he didn’t believe it then he’s shouldn’t have taken part in the whole Levy-concocted charade in the first place.

Jose should never have touched the job with a barge pole, but sadly Jose is slowly ‘doing a Wenger’. In the same way that Wenger continued at Arsenal with ever decreasing returns on the pitch, Jose has been taking high profile jobs that are insurmountable tasks. One could argue Utd was, there is no argument that an ENIC owned Spurs is.

It’s as if he knows he’s not going to get another top club who will let the manager shape the team in their vision over a couple of seasons and start winning big. So he’s walking in with his glittering CV and saying that he can perform that same miracles for them, when deep down I doubt even he believes it…

Willie!
Willie!
5 years ago

Unless Villa/Arse draw on Sat, we’ll be 9th when we face Big Sam, his pint-o-wine, and the random assemblage of cast offs, spare parts, and aging journeymen of WBA on Sun.

“Not great, Bob!”

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

I’m not yet quite convinced by Lo Celso or N’belly.

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
5 years ago

Hang on a minute, remember last summer? The purchases that we got quite excited about? Was it 7 in all? Is that not part of a rebuilding process? I seem to remember Maureen believing it was. It’s not as if we’re currently putting out a load of 35 year olds. New manager, fresh start and all that. You can see from how we started the season what these players are capable of, all our top manager has to do is keep them at it, inspire them or scare them into pushing on. That’s what good managers do isn’t it?

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Defence needs sorting out – get rid of Dier and Sanchez and bring in Skriniar, maybe another CB (or Tanganga?) Getting sick of Davies.

We have many players in AM positions, but too many are unreliable – we need quality not quantity!

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago

Fair enough!

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago
Reply to  Dexter

I understand not liking it, but to say there was no gameplan is a bit insincere. There was one, but very poorly executed.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago

Players that are good enough to take us to next level –
kane , son , hojberg, regullon – lo Celso and ndombele and loris .
7 players – a good coach would build around that group with ok players and get top four and win a cup 
come on maureen COYS

Pablito
Pablito
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

3 of those 7 are out injured. Hard to get top 4 with only 4 good players.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago
Reply to  Dexter

Defend resolutely (without mistakes) and pick them off with quick counter-attacks. You know, like we did against City and Arsenal earlier in the season.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago

Players that are good enough to take us to next level –

kane , son , hojberg, regullon – lo Celso and ndombele and loris .

7 players – a good coach would build around that group with ok players and get top four and win a cup

come on maureen

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
5 years ago

Too many new players needed, and even some of the newest ones we got since Maureen arrived aren’t good enough. I just can’t see Levy spending enough to bring in the quality for proper success, and Maureen appears to need top quality all around which we’ve never paid for. Poch’s first few years looks more and more like a freak one off.

Are wet spam’s players superior to ours? Because when Moyes arrived they were 17th, and now they’re 5th. Can’t just be the manager’s abilities can it?

James McKevitt.
James McKevitt.
5 years ago

Missed the last half hour, missed nothing by the sound of it. Pointless saying anything, it’s all been said before.

Dexter
Dexter
5 years ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Still played rubbish. If it was one rubbish game, fine. But we’ve been playing rubbish since mid December. Can’t paper over cracks this size.

LIMERICK AL
LIMERICK AL
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Unless Levy and Joe have an epiphany the only way the Squad has the overhaul it requires will be to flog Kane and Son. Its that serious.

Elevenstonedidiots
Elevenstonedidiots
5 years ago

Levy sacked Poch and hired the serial winner Jose in the hope he could polish a squad of turds to avoid the rebuild that was sorely needed.

Elevenstonedidiots
Elevenstonedidiots
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

I’m sorry he didn’t know Werner was there? Ha ha

Dusty
Dusty
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Like i said “It aint going to happen soon”

Dexter
Dexter
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

What was the gameplan? There was no game plan. None. Nada.

East Stand
East Stand
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

The main positive is that it wasn’t 0-4.

BARD
BARD
5 years ago

3 wins from 12

East Stand
East Stand
5 years ago
Reply to  Dexter

We are like a computer chess player with a glitch, same pattern of defeat every time…

East Stand
East Stand
5 years ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Another way of looking at it, is that we’ve just lost two home games in a row for the first time in 12 years…

Dexter
Dexter
5 years ago

Same old shit week after week after week.
Come out lively for 10 minuts, then: Jog around a bit. Stand around a bit. Watch whoever’s on the ball a bit. Look surprised when the pass played to you isn’t played directly at you a bit, pass backwards a lot.
Second half: Come out lively for 10 minutes, revert to form, then, for the last 20 minutes… panic.
Drudgery.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago

He was naive he kicked out without knowing where his man was – Werner played a blinder .

1 mistake – lost us the game and we were poor for 85 minutes – there is a positive !

East Stand
East Stand
5 years ago

In terms of points, tonight we are closer to the relegation zone than the top two…

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
5 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Nothing wrong with going bold my friend. It does get predictable at times which makes me weary, but I’ve no problem with holding my hands up. I misread the Spurs situation by the looks of it. The first half of the season it looked is if they were chucking Jose the league. Of course I don’t KNOW. As I say, an outsider looking in.

BARD
BARD
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

A lot. Maybe we could ask Bale to fund it.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

I wonder if there’s even a need for an autopsy – we had a gameplan which was undone by a moment of stupidity and didn’t take the few chances that we created.

See you Sunday for another exciting entry!

Last edited 5 years ago by CzechSpur
BARD
BARD
5 years ago
Reply to  BARD

He needed an extra in centre mid. Lamela for Berg was the sub at HT not 70 mins

Pablito
Pablito
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

This group is not top 4 quality. Too many average players who have been at the club too long and too many squad members that are just not good enough. Jose is a manager not a miracle worker. If we don’t improve the squad this is what we’ll keep getting.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  Dusty

Who wants to buy deadwood above market value in today’s world

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
5 years ago

Predictions are different to claiming you have a crystal ball and know exactly what’s going to happen because football is rigged. You’re just guessing, as are the rest of us.

But you’re right, I always have the option not to engage, just didn’t take it.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
5 years ago

Careful…..take it from me, talk like that can get you verbally mullered around here🙃

BARD
BARD
5 years ago
Reply to  LIMERICK AL

Probably went in the wrong one tonight

Dusty
Dusty
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

You need to get rid of the deadwood first before you can light the fire wich with the current finacials (that goes for a few teams) aint going to happen soon.

Elevenstonedidiots
Elevenstonedidiots
5 years ago

I can’t get ny head around what Dier was thinking. The more you see the peno the more it looks like he gave it away on purpose.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  BARD

How much does the major rebuild cost ?

BARD
BARD
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

The 2nd one isn’t an option.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago

2 options –

Major rebuild or a coach who can turn this group into a top 4 team .

East Stand
East Stand
5 years ago

Yep, rebooted for 2021!

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
5 years ago

But they all ran around a bit, mostly chasing chelski.

East Stand
East Stand
5 years ago
Reply to  BARD

You’re right, they are trying to do something, only trouble is nobody seems to know what that is, including themselves!

LIMERICK AL
LIMERICK AL
5 years ago

Great Squad. Yes maybe if we played in the Danish First Division. It’s gone beyond a joke. The worse side I have ever seen. Brutal.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
5 years ago

We played rubbish and they still couldn’t beat us in open play is one way to look at it. We also played with 10 men. Davies needs shooting

Richard
Richard
5 years ago

Every match the ‘experts’ on Sky or BT say that the team that beat THFC played great. They don’t get it. They are not great, it is s8mply that we are awful.

legoverlass
legoverlass
5 years ago

No excuses. The squad is poor in so many places. Sorry but Vinicius is not the standard we need. I don’t care how poor Bale maybe he is better than most of the dross we have out there. If this is as a result of Kane being injured then we are clearly a one-man team.

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