And what views were they back in 2005? I still thought they were ok back then, it was Jol’s sacking that confirmed my suspicions. How about you? 🤔 😂
Bertoliver
2 years ago
The only thing that the events of last weekend proved was the power of protest. While I wholeheartedly support punishing ENIC through non attendance and not buying merchandise this is a long game as much of the clubs income is from broadcast and this years season tickets are sold where the fans attend or not. So it would be really next season where the club began to feel the pinch.
However last Saturday when 60,000 fans booed not only the manager, some key players but more importantly the chairman everything changed. Within 24 hours the manager was gone and club sought and recruited the most high profile and demanding manager available.
His reputation for success is all well and good but his successes have all been at clubs where expectations are high and resources are plentiful which is currently not the case at Spurs.
I would hope as a coach he can get a better tune out of the team perhaps find a system like he did at Chelsea which gets the team to play to its optimum but the idea in the short and perhaps medium term we can catch the top 3 in England is fanciful.
However failure to back Conte in the transfer market will only put the spotlight back on Levy which can only be a good thing
I disagree on that point regarding the Chelsea squad of 2016 / 17.
They had some poor results early on and Conte changed the shape to 3-5-2. They went on from there to beat Spurs to the title.
The other relevant fact is that Chelsea had some very good defenders and very good attackers. However; the midfield / creative players were a bit thin in numbers and quality outside of Kante and Hazard. Fabregas was 30 and past his best and Pedro was not great. They had Willian off the bench but apart from that it was the likes of Loftus cheek, Chalobah, Kenedy etc.
It was a very similar situation to the current one @ Spurs in respect of the better players had been under performing.
As I have stated several times now. My views on ENIC are documented in print, within the pages of the MEHSTG fanzine, dating back to their arrival up until 2005.
It’s very deep at times I have to say. I am viewed as some sort of pro ENIC interloper despite having long held and well documented views on their ownership of Spurs.
I honestly think Nuno was all about Levy not being confident about Covid disrupting the money making emporium.
Bertoliver
2 years ago
The only thing that events of last Saturday has proved it is the power of protest. Whilst I empathise with the ideas of punishing ENIC by punishing them in the pocket this is a long drawn out process given that much of their income is from outside sources and income for this season from season tickets is already guaranteed whether of not the ticket holders attend. So in reality it would be next season before they felt the pinch.
However when 60,000 fans delivered their verdict on the manager, some players but more importantly the chairman everything changed in a heartbeat.
Within 24 hours the manager was gone and the club had embarked on recruiting a high profile replacement with all the guarantees on transfer budget that that entails.
Personally I don’t buy the idea of serial winner managers. Managers can only win with the resources that they have. For example Peps track record of winning trophies is second to none but he’s managed three clubs where that is expected. If he went to say Watford for instance I have no doubt he would improve the side but I doubt given their resources they would become a top four or even top six side.
If Conte comes I would hope he would get a better tune out of the personnel and perhaps find a system that gets the optimum level out of the side. Realistically given the strength of the top three in England challenging them in the short or even medium term is unreasonable given how far we fallen since 2019.
For now the pressure is of Levy. However the fans have awoken from their slumber and will not accept piss poor fare at extortionate prices just to fill the pockets of ENIC without making it clear to the chairman in no uncertain manner.
It does show the absurdity of the penury at Tottenham though. The moment things get rough for our doughty dwarf of a chairman a severance package for the manager and an eye watering salary one for the new one can magically be found.
His win percentages were with squads containing a core of very good players. Our squad is so poor that he won’t achieve those percentages unless he is backed in the transfer market and I can’t see the leopard changing its spots.
Antonio Conte's Yid army
2 years ago
5,000days since we lifted a trophy….
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If Conte is appointed I cant see him lasting past the first transfer window… we may need Big Sam…or Alan Pardew..🤣
Glory Costs Too Much
2 years ago
It’s for sure that if Conte is appointed then suddenly Levy has unscrewed dozens of jars of jam and ladled it all over our bread. This isn’t about any project, this is about the now.
I find this somehow hard to swallow. Levy all of a sudden changing direction almost overnight. It seems like a knee jerk reaction from the wee fella. I should imagine he’s going to regret pretty quickly when the first transfer window comes around in January.
Has Levy suddenly changed his spots? I need to see evidence of that please, because I don’t believe it’s in his DNA to properly back a manager.
He lost Poch because of his tight stubbornness after all. The only small thing in his favour now is that the stadium is up and running and bringing in the extra funds for more ambition. Perhaps, just perhaps this is a new Levy?
One things for sure it’s either going to end with our success and trophies, or Conte chinning Levy. Either way it should be an interesting ride. Buckle up.
Correct. And the same scenario again. Combined prize money for winning the CL and qualification for the Super Cup = £24M. Cost of actually getting the team to that place = many many times that, even with the few extra bob from merch.
It makes more financial sence for Levy to keep us average than it does to transform us in to champions.
You have a better chance of having a S? *té in the Queen of England’s Handbag.
MitchellThomas
2 years ago
Redknapp Jnr talks about Levy like he is a jilted ex-lover. I mean you can feel the bile pouring out of him.
Awaiting Jamie’s version of “You oughta know” on the Karaoke machine as he stares at Levy on Sky Sports News…
MitchellThomas
2 years ago
One last desperate shot at relevance from Levy. Heaven forbid that European Super League fires up again and we had Mason or Graham Potter in charge…
Arsenal and ourselves been usurped by the Barcodes now, this is Levy’s Butch and Sundance moment. “Look at us, we’re still a top, top side. Our Cheese Room, don’t forget the longest continuous bar in Europe. And what about that training ground, eh?”
Lord Croker
2 years ago
Yes, unlike Fenway Sports. The clue is in the name.
SpursGoliath
2 years ago
I’m starting to wonder if Conte is Levy’s ‘rescue Kane’ move – get Kane firing and you save £80 mill replacing him, keep the fans on side, you have Mr Tottenham back
It’s a short term fix and Conte will be getting an astronomical salary to take it on. However, manager contracts still cost less than spending big on the team. That is the thinking behind this, just as it was with Jose. Almost a carbon-copy…
100% correct. More window dressing, more mouth and no trousers stuff. I see you right here, We will probably see Conte running things until the summer comes when the inevitable clash over transfers happens. He moves on and back to square one. However, my theory is that stage-left, back in shuffles Pochettino available on a free after his PSG sacking. Just like Tuchel, a top manager in a difficult job at PSG.
ENIC might be big time when it comes to property development but they’re small time when it comes to anything that isn’t to do with long term speculation.
Sport is a fast moving and evolving industry. Just like entertainment it requires quick, progressive thinking and a level of creativity in order to navigate your way to success. The current MO of Levy and ENIC is out of step (as well as out of date) and has been rendered irrelevant within the context of the game’s changing landscape, at the top level.
I don’t think Levy will ever change his mindset, he might in the short term feel he has no choice but to change it up. However, this is the main problem for me.
He did the same years ago with Redknapp (senior) after failing to back Ramos and watching us slide towards the relegation places. We suddenly became very active in the transfer market as Redknapp brought in proven journeymen, it probably wasn’t something Levy was particularly comfortable with but he was forced into accepting it. His penny pinching had lead him down a dead end, and here we are again, only 12 years or so later. He only allows a shakeup when his back is finally up against a self created wall.
”why does he never learn?” some might say in frustration, well this isn’t about ‘learning’ to build a successful team for Levy, it’s alway only about spread sheets.
Simon Jordan (who has dealt with him many times) describes him as “a narrow eyed accountant” other accusations are that “he doesn’t do emotions”.
I conclude from all of this that Levy lacks the inclination and the skill set to run a present day global brand of any kind, let alone a football club brand. He lacks the basic awareness and wit, he should be in the back office of another company pouring over flow charts and overseeing cuts to spending and how to make things more ‘efficient’.
He’s just not cut out for the role and ENIC should be looking to get him out of the hot seat. However, they’ve left him in it for 23 years so the conclusion one draws is that unless they sell up, nothing will change at all, even without Levy.
There is also big money to be made through the CL, sponsorship, global merchandise, etc but the problem is that you need success to realize those big numbers. Levy is too cheap to do that and he now has Newcastle in the rear view mirror. To dare is to do, I believe he has plastered all over the toilet bowl.
Haha. So not too confident he will be a hit then! He also can’t tackle. Conte would need to be a bona fide miracle worker to get a tune out of this squad.
Dexter
2 years ago
…. Forgot to say, HH, can we get subtitles for that video? I’m not hard of hearing, but when I hear Jamie Redknapp talking it just kind of sounds like the TV in the 80’s when the national anthem finished 🤣
As I see it – and we’ve all (most of us who are old enough anyway) seen how ENIC have operated this club over the last 20+ years – success in actual football comes low on the list of this company’s priorities. We have to look at club owners, to a large extent, in the same way as we look at politicians. They talk the talk, but when it comes to walking, they just slide around on their bellies like Mr Blobby on ice.
Last season Man City collected around £154M in revenue from winning the Premiere League.
Arsenal, who finished 8th (where we are now), collected around £135M. That is, for 8th place, about 87% of the income of 1st place, or a difference of just £20M – the price of a bargain bucket defender. 4th place Chelsea collected £148M, just £6M less than the champions.
Now, allow yourself to be Daniel Levy for a second, if you can do that to yourself. I know it’s hard.
If you only operate on the basis of profit and loss, do you pump the £200M odd that’s needed to upgrade the squad to compete at the highest level – given that the current deadwood is so knackered it’s worth next to nothing in terms of sell-on value, to get an extra 10-20 million at the end of it?
Herein our problem lies. Our rivals’ owners at the top of the table are striving for actual success. Maybe it’s because they have more money than sense, but that’s the reality of the modern game. They want to win. They crave the kudos. Our owners are only interested in profit, and investment in winning can reduce monetary profit. My only hope is that they have so badly misjudged the balance that their profit margins nose-dive so dramatically that they take their interests elsewhere.
Maybe he will convert Stevie B into the best right wing back in the Prem? Remember Victor Moses. It gives me hope anyway. Am I falling for the Levy spin?
Maybe. But I’m hearing a few players names who are out of contract in the summer. Decent players. Players for now. Talk is cheap of course but maybe there is a plan after all. Levy loves a bargain.
He won’t be backed with anything. He’ll be being reassured as we speak that he will, with Danny’s fingers crossed behind his back, winking at Steve Hitchin. He’ll get a couple of signings maybe with the words ‘potential to be’ and ‘future star’ nailed on, but ultimately no proven talent will come in. We know this.
Conté wont last his contract.
Yep. Another “serial winner” comes to the end of his run, and the ENIC fiasco-train derails another reputation.
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Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
2 years ago
Another total CON job. Wouldn’t surprise me if this was planned from summer by Levy cos it makes sense when you spell it out. Nuno was doomed before he started and Levy knew it, NOW if he brings Conte in the fans will be tittilated with weeks and weeks of “warchest” and “big name Conte targets” etc etc…..with one problem…..there’s no window open and Levy doesn’t have to do Sh$t. January won’t fly, never does and Conte will be in the same position as anyone else: Managing a spent bunch of Buyrite wasters who dont give a toss in an NFL/event arena ex football club. An 18 month deal is a joke, another Swizz and by next summer Conte will have took the money and realized what every other ex manager knows…..but heh! Rollllll up, get ya tickets and merch….
The slippery *@#$ has done it again.
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And what views were they back in 2005? I still thought they were ok back then, it was Jol’s sacking that confirmed my suspicions. How about you? 🤔 😂
The only thing that the events of last weekend proved was the power of protest. While I wholeheartedly support punishing ENIC through non attendance and not buying merchandise this is a long game as much of the clubs income is from broadcast and this years season tickets are sold where the fans attend or not. So it would be really next season where the club began to feel the pinch.
However last Saturday when 60,000 fans booed not only the manager, some key players but more importantly the chairman everything changed. Within 24 hours the manager was gone and club sought and recruited the most high profile and demanding manager available.
His reputation for success is all well and good but his successes have all been at clubs where expectations are high and resources are plentiful which is currently not the case at Spurs.
I would hope as a coach he can get a better tune out of the team perhaps find a system like he did at Chelsea which gets the team to play to its optimum but the idea in the short and perhaps medium term we can catch the top 3 in England is fanciful.
However failure to back Conte in the transfer market will only put the spotlight back on Levy which can only be a good thing
I disagree on that point regarding the Chelsea squad of 2016 / 17.
They had some poor results early on and Conte changed the shape to 3-5-2. They went on from there to beat Spurs to the title.
The other relevant fact is that Chelsea had some very good defenders and very good attackers. However; the midfield / creative players were a bit thin in numbers and quality outside of Kante and Hazard. Fabregas was 30 and past his best and Pedro was not great. They had Willian off the bench but apart from that it was the likes of Loftus cheek, Chalobah, Kenedy etc.
It was a very similar situation to the current one @ Spurs in respect of the better players had been under performing.
As I have stated several times now. My views on ENIC are documented in print, within the pages of the MEHSTG fanzine, dating back to their arrival up until 2005.
Say it isn’t so.
It’s very deep at times I have to say. I am viewed as some sort of pro ENIC interloper despite having long held and well documented views on their ownership of Spurs.
I honestly think Nuno was all about Levy not being confident about Covid disrupting the money making emporium.
The only thing that events of last Saturday has proved it is the power of protest. Whilst I empathise with the ideas of punishing ENIC by punishing them in the pocket this is a long drawn out process given that much of their income is from outside sources and income for this season from season tickets is already guaranteed whether of not the ticket holders attend. So in reality it would be next season before they felt the pinch.
However when 60,000 fans delivered their verdict on the manager, some players but more importantly the chairman everything changed in a heartbeat.
Within 24 hours the manager was gone and the club had embarked on recruiting a high profile replacement with all the guarantees on transfer budget that that entails.
Personally I don’t buy the idea of serial winner managers. Managers can only win with the resources that they have. For example Peps track record of winning trophies is second to none but he’s managed three clubs where that is expected. If he went to say Watford for instance I have no doubt he would improve the side but I doubt given their resources they would become a top four or even top six side.
If Conte comes I would hope he would get a better tune out of the personnel and perhaps find a system that gets the optimum level out of the side. Realistically given the strength of the top three in England challenging them in the short or even medium term is unreasonable given how far we fallen since 2019.
For now the pressure is of Levy. However the fans have awoken from their slumber and will not accept piss poor fare at extortionate prices just to fill the pockets of ENIC without making it clear to the chairman in no uncertain manner.
It does show the absurdity of the penury at Tottenham though. The moment things get rough for our doughty dwarf of a chairman a severance package for the manager and an eye watering salary one for the new one can magically be found.
Doesn’t it? How much manager compensation do you reckon we’ve paid out with Jose and Nuno?! 😂
That’s the one.
Yep. Controlled opposition they call it.
His win percentages were with squads containing a core of very good players. Our squad is so poor that he won’t achieve those percentages unless he is backed in the transfer market and I can’t see the leopard changing its spots.
5,000days since we lifted a trophy….
If Conte is appointed I cant see him lasting past the first transfer window… we may need Big Sam…or Alan Pardew..🤣
It’s for sure that if Conte is appointed then suddenly Levy has unscrewed dozens of jars of jam and ladled it all over our bread. This isn’t about any project, this is about the now.
I find this somehow hard to swallow. Levy all of a sudden changing direction almost overnight. It seems like a knee jerk reaction from the wee fella. I should imagine he’s going to regret pretty quickly when the first transfer window comes around in January.
Has Levy suddenly changed his spots? I need to see evidence of that please, because I don’t believe it’s in his DNA to properly back a manager.
He lost Poch because of his tight stubbornness after all. The only small thing in his favour now is that the stadium is up and running and bringing in the extra funds for more ambition. Perhaps, just perhaps this is a new Levy?
One things for sure it’s either going to end with our success and trophies, or Conte chinning Levy. Either way it should be an interesting ride. Buckle up.
Yes
Quite possible.
Correct. And the same scenario again. Combined prize money for winning the CL and qualification for the Super Cup = £24M. Cost of actually getting the team to that place = many many times that, even with the few extra bob from merch.
It makes more financial sence for Levy to keep us average than it does to transform us in to champions.
I’m confused. One minute you’re telling us Conte will never happen, the next you’re saying it was all planned months ago.
If he is backed,he won’t be.
You have a better chance of having a S? *té in the Queen of England’s Handbag.
Redknapp Jnr talks about Levy like he is a jilted ex-lover. I mean you can feel the bile pouring out of him.
Awaiting Jamie’s version of “You oughta know” on the Karaoke machine as he stares at Levy on Sky Sports News…
One last desperate shot at relevance from Levy. Heaven forbid that European Super League fires up again and we had Mason or Graham Potter in charge…
Arsenal and ourselves been usurped by the Barcodes now, this is Levy’s Butch and Sundance moment. “Look at us, we’re still a top, top side. Our Cheese Room, don’t forget the longest continuous bar in Europe. And what about that training ground, eh?”
Yes, unlike Fenway Sports. The clue is in the name.
I’m starting to wonder if Conte is Levy’s ‘rescue Kane’ move – get Kane firing and you save £80 mill replacing him, keep the fans on side, you have Mr Tottenham back
Thats almost priceless for Levy I’d say
Except it is £14 mill loss plan. Doesn’t sound like Levy.
He’s fast but sh*t at football…
You are a Levy apologist pretending to be critical. You’re fooling nobody, not me anyway…
It’s a short term fix and Conte will be getting an astronomical salary to take it on. However, manager contracts still cost less than spending big on the team. That is the thinking behind this, just as it was with Jose. Almost a carbon-copy…
Only Antonio will be gone before it’s tarnished to any real extent. It will be fascinating to see how it plays out…
100% correct. More window dressing, more mouth and no trousers stuff. I see you right here, We will probably see Conte running things until the summer comes when the inevitable clash over transfers happens. He moves on and back to square one. However, my theory is that stage-left, back in shuffles Pochettino available on a free after his PSG sacking. Just like Tuchel, a top manager in a difficult job at PSG.
ENIC might be big time when it comes to property development but they’re small time when it comes to anything that isn’t to do with long term speculation.
Sport is a fast moving and evolving industry. Just like entertainment it requires quick, progressive thinking and a level of creativity in order to navigate your way to success. The current MO of Levy and ENIC is out of step (as well as out of date) and has been rendered irrelevant within the context of the game’s changing landscape, at the top level.
I don’t think Levy will ever change his mindset, he might in the short term feel he has no choice but to change it up. However, this is the main problem for me.
He did the same years ago with Redknapp (senior) after failing to back Ramos and watching us slide towards the relegation places. We suddenly became very active in the transfer market as Redknapp brought in proven journeymen, it probably wasn’t something Levy was particularly comfortable with but he was forced into accepting it. His penny pinching had lead him down a dead end, and here we are again, only 12 years or so later. He only allows a shakeup when his back is finally up against a self created wall.
”why does he never learn?” some might say in frustration, well this isn’t about ‘learning’ to build a successful team for Levy, it’s alway only about spread sheets.
Simon Jordan (who has dealt with him many times) describes him as “a narrow eyed accountant” other accusations are that “he doesn’t do emotions”.
I conclude from all of this that Levy lacks the inclination and the skill set to run a present day global brand of any kind, let alone a football club brand. He lacks the basic awareness and wit, he should be in the back office of another company pouring over flow charts and overseeing cuts to spending and how to make things more ‘efficient’.
He’s just not cut out for the role and ENIC should be looking to get him out of the hot seat. However, they’ve left him in it for 23 years so the conclusion one draws is that unless they sell up, nothing will change at all, even without Levy.
There is also big money to be made through the CL, sponsorship, global merchandise, etc but the problem is that you need success to realize those big numbers. Levy is too cheap to do that and he now has Newcastle in the rear view mirror. To dare is to do, I believe he has plastered all over the toilet bowl.
Haha. So not too confident he will be a hit then! He also can’t tackle. Conte would need to be a bona fide miracle worker to get a tune out of this squad.
…. Forgot to say, HH, can we get subtitles for that video? I’m not hard of hearing, but when I hear Jamie Redknapp talking it just kind of sounds like the TV in the 80’s when the national anthem finished 🤣
I actually suggested Stevie B play there sometime ago… but he cant cross a ball….or score goals…
🤣
More chance of Scotland winning the world cup….👍
As I see it – and we’ve all (most of us who are old enough anyway) seen how ENIC have operated this club over the last 20+ years – success in actual football comes low on the list of this company’s priorities. We have to look at club owners, to a large extent, in the same way as we look at politicians. They talk the talk, but when it comes to walking, they just slide around on their bellies like Mr Blobby on ice.
Last season Man City collected around £154M in revenue from winning the Premiere League.
Arsenal, who finished 8th (where we are now), collected around £135M. That is, for 8th place, about 87% of the income of 1st place, or a difference of just £20M – the price of a bargain bucket defender. 4th place Chelsea collected £148M, just £6M less than the champions.
Now, allow yourself to be Daniel Levy for a second, if you can do that to yourself. I know it’s hard.
If you only operate on the basis of profit and loss, do you pump the £200M odd that’s needed to upgrade the squad to compete at the highest level – given that the current deadwood is so knackered it’s worth next to nothing in terms of sell-on value, to get an extra 10-20 million at the end of it?
Herein our problem lies. Our rivals’ owners at the top of the table are striving for actual success. Maybe it’s because they have more money than sense, but that’s the reality of the modern game. They want to win. They crave the kudos. Our owners are only interested in profit, and investment in winning can reduce monetary profit. My only hope is that they have so badly misjudged the balance that their profit margins nose-dive so dramatically that they take their interests elsewhere.
ha ha.
Go with it kid
Maybe he will convert Stevie B into the best right wing back in the Prem? Remember Victor Moses. It gives me hope anyway. Am I falling for the Levy spin?
Conte needs the guarantees of spending in writing
Maybe. But I’m hearing a few players names who are out of contract in the summer. Decent players. Players for now. Talk is cheap of course but maybe there is a plan after all. Levy loves a bargain.
He won’t be backed with anything. He’ll be being reassured as we speak that he will, with Danny’s fingers crossed behind his back, winking at Steve Hitchin. He’ll get a couple of signings maybe with the words ‘potential to be’ and ‘future star’ nailed on, but ultimately no proven talent will come in. We know this.
Conté wont last his contract.
Do you not have any hope at all?
Conte managed 106 games for Chelsea and his win percentage was 65.09%.
At Inter he managed 102 games and his win percentage was 62.75%.
His success is more recent that Jose Mourinho. He’s at his peak.
An 18 month contract looks dodgy but in reality his shelf life is two seasons. If he is backed with transfers Levy might get away with it.
Do we now have a sniff of that 4th place and a cheeky League Cup win?
Yes, not going to be able to turn on an appliance for the coming months avalanche of Italian names that will never ever come.
Nauseating.
Yep. Another “serial winner” comes to the end of his run, and the ENIC fiasco-train derails another reputation.
Another total CON job. Wouldn’t surprise me if this was planned from summer by Levy cos it makes sense when you spell it out. Nuno was doomed before he started and Levy knew it, NOW if he brings Conte in the fans will be tittilated with weeks and weeks of “warchest” and “big name Conte targets” etc etc…..with one problem…..there’s no window open and Levy doesn’t have to do Sh$t. January won’t fly, never does and Conte will be in the same position as anyone else: Managing a spent bunch of Buyrite wasters who dont give a toss in an NFL/event arena ex football club. An 18 month deal is a joke, another Swizz and by next summer Conte will have took the money and realized what every other ex manager knows…..but heh! Rollllll up, get ya tickets and merch….
The slippery *@#$ has done it again.