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When Might The Police Ask Football Clubs To End Kneeling If They Want Match Day Policing? – opinion
By Harry Hotspur -

Some general housekeeping before we deal in facts will be helpful here. Racism has no place in football and to the best of my knowledge, the Kick It Out had been fighting a good fight against the morons that occasionally lose their minds either in stadiums or online.

The death of George Floyd in the United States was undoubtedly a catalyst for protest around the world and police violence against African-Americans is a subject that appears to have been around forever.

Now, the Premier League finds itself in an unenviable position of wanting to do the right thing, whilst not finding itself hijacked by an organization with less than honourable intentions.

Initially, Players took to the field with Black Lives Matter t-shirts, bibs, and armbands to show solidarity towards the quest for equality.

In December 2020, Harry Kane told the BBC that players ought to continue kneeling in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.

However, not everyone in English football was comfortable with the association, in the previous July Jamie Redknapp, Patrice Evra and Matt Le Tissier all refused to wear the BLM badges on Sky Sports Broadcasts.

I share the pundits’ view, as whilst Black Lives Matter wants to end racial injustice and police brutality – which are obviously good things – they also wanted to abolish the police and capitalism and have pledged support for Palestine amid Israel’s plans to annex the West Bank.

Two days ago, Black Lives Matter Tweeted the following video which, makes the case for the abolitions above very clear.

If one visits the UK’s Black Lives Matter website, gems such as the scrapping anti-gangs programmes in schools, an end to prison and police expansion, an end to the gangs’ databases, gang injunctions, an end to police surveillance and data-collection technologies (e.g. facial recognition and digital comms monitoring) can be found.

It is somewhat incongruous that once fans return to football matches, that the police are in attendance at events that begin with a few moments dedicated to the promotion of a faction – that wants them abolished.

Hopefully, Dele Alli isn’t burgled again, but if he were to be, would he want his 999-call answered, or not?

Kick It Out were once and can again offer the awareness and action that is needed in order to tackle racism, and they really ought to be given the reigns to get their message across by English football chiefs.

As for kneeling, swapping one subjugation for another is not a progression to equality. No one ought to kneel unless of course, one is proposing marriage, or receiving a gong from Her Majesty.

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East Stand
East Stand
1 month ago

Racism is idiotic (obviously) and so is thinking that doing the kneeling thing forevermore is anything other than counterproductive.

The anti racist cause has always been hijacked by (predominantly white) anarchists and Marxists. Piggybacking a ride on something tangible and serious, in order to bring attention to their fringe politics.

Kick It Out cannot be hijacked because it’s an organisation run by people with focus and a clear set of objectives. Rather than generally an unfiltered, unregulated rabble on social media.

Social Media is more often than not just a platform for loudmouths and attention seekers. The quicker we move on from ‘hashtag’ politics, and allowing the unhinged from weighing in on serious issues the better.

Social media is a grave threat to civilisation let’s not play this down.

East Stand
East Stand
1 month ago
Reply to  East Stand

In fact the damage Covid and the measures around it has done to society will eventually repair.

I can only see Social Media creating more and more damage to human beings and our society as time goes by. This is the real pandemic, along with companies like Amazon taking over the world.

Covid will be seen as nothing in comparison in the long run. A nice distraction though fro the bigger issues we face. Thank f*ck for the vaccine, stops idiots making these constant pronouncements and decisions about our lives on the basis of fear.

It’s been well milked and the fallout will be huge…

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
1 month ago
Reply to  East Stand

My one big respect I have for this country and government in terms of Covid is that we’ve gone all out for a vaccine from pretty early on (financially and in research/development) and the populace at large are trusting science and actually getting the jabs.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
1 month ago
Reply to  East Stand

A lot of the time I think people just want ‘any change’ right now as a statement…without really thinking about the implications of the said change.

Polarised politics/extremism and everyone’s a badge wearer, because it’s not good enough to privately hold a belief, you need the reflected glory/tribalism and you need to ‘hate’ the other side.

East Stand
East Stand
1 month ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Yeah, that’s very true. People like to pin their colours to the mast as it were. A lot of it is just identifying with a wider group of people.

As humans we are naturally tribal, it’s the way we’ve evolved over thousands of years Arabs social media kind of presses those buttons, while the media constantly work the ‘fight or flight’ fear hormone with all of us. Good news doesn’t sell because our attention is always drawn to danger, it’s our survival instinct.

So on mass it’s actually very easy to control and influence behaviour using these techniques. Our tribalism and fear is being manipulated every day…

East Stand
East Stand
1 month ago
Reply to  East Stand

And, not ‘Arabs’. Stupid predictive text glitch.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
1 month ago

Willi.. You brought the Mr big man more to Bruce than you did to me. You knew there would be less confliction with Bruce. That’s how I know you’re soft. I’d run rings round ya no matter how clever you think you are. Come to London with your yanky arrogance and see how far it gets ya. I never did like you.

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Willie!
Willie!
1 month ago

I’m going to be charitable here, because my initial reaction to this garbage is not at all charitable. By “garbage” I mean this “article”.

You’re engaged in what we in the US political arena call “nutpicking”. You’re confusing some deranged nuts, who proclaim to “speak for BLM”, with the actual BLM supporters. BLM is a movement, not an organization that anyone can credibly claim to speak on behalf of. I can go into any org, of any kind, and find a nutjob, then pretend that nut reps a collection literally hundreds of millions.

So when you spunk this idiocy on the page- “they also wanted to abolish the police and capitalism”, you’re lying. And from your extensive past right wing sneering on this blog, I suspect you know exactly what you’re doing here, pushing these lies. You can ban me from your little two bit blog here, and I promise you I won’t lose any sleep over it. While we’re slinging virtriol here, someone really should have a quiet word with you, H, and clue you in that your George Michael on a 3 day meth bender look might be good for trolling for some throbbing cock on the grindr app, but it’s pathetic for a grown ass man.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  Willie!

Oooh. Now I see why you made the below comment.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago

This isnt ambiguous. You can go and listen to the founders of the movement state everything that’s been said here, it’s not like their hiding anything. Unless the founders are included in the “deranged nuts” category of course.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

Think he needs a holiday. Priceless the accusations of lying when BLM itself was founded on “hands up don’t shoot”….
A proven lie.

Oh well.

Spurs est_1882
Spurs est_1882
1 month ago
Reply to  Willie!

YOu are actually fundamentally wrong. Although BLM is an organisation…with a website…that states these things HH talks of. It is you confusing a movement with an organisation. BLM is a fundamentally bad thing – their main message is great and I fully back it. Much like how that dreaded party in 1933 from Germany won an election on the back of some good talk with devil in the details, they won by promising jobs to an impoverished nation. Anyway – this maybe a bit too much of a reach, so I am sorry. but dont kids your selves BLM is not equality and equality is not BLM…you can believe in one and wholly disregard the other.

I am not aware of HH’s true feeling towards equality, though through reading him for many years, I believe like many a rational human, he feels its the right thing.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
1 month ago

Sinister stuff, my wife is a teacher based near Croydon and turning a blind eye to kids getting drawn into gangs is the last thing anyone involved needs. absolute nightmare.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
1 month ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Seems to be a generational thing at least from my experience – my parents, their friends, work colleagues a, friends in their forties etc are all highly dubious if this group and seem well informed.

Anyone I know under forty including my brother, his wife, friends I have under forty etc can’t believe you’d have any concerns – you mention their police abolishment stance or anti Israel sentiments and you get a ‘what?’, ‘that’s propaganda’ or a shrug.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
1 month ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

She’s in charge of behaviour for the school so works closely with social services and the police, and the amount of effort that’s going into trying to stop kids getting into gangs – yes, often young black boys but also those from traveller communities in particular, it’s incredible – the systems are in place and getting stronger. I’m not sure the problems in the States are comparable to what we have here anyway.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
1 month ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

Spot on.

some of these kids arrived so damaged already, feels like a losing battle – kids from travelling communities where dad and two uncles have been locked up etc is common

how can a kid of 13 bring a weapon to school from home? Parenting is abysmal and sometimes dangerous – a lot of threatening. You bond with the kid and treat them better and relate to them better than their parents, then get threatened with violence, crazy I couldn’t do it

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Yes, absent father’s are a massive problem too. Kids look up to the elder lads who do the pushing and have money, cars and girls wrapped round em.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
1 month ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

Ballsy stuff from him.

I don’t know enough about poverty traps, related to race or otherwise, to say anyone can escape them – but I agree that exaggerating some of these issues isn’t helpful

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

“making it a bigger issue than it is, that’s the problem”

Morgan Freeman nails it down.

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
1 month ago

As the character Hani Salaam played by the talented actor Mark Strong in Walter Scott’s movie Body of Lies would say “People are stupid.”

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  Lord Croker

Sadly….

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago

They are a Soros(among others)funded Subversion group who’s sole purpose is to divide and subvert society. I’ll refer people again to the Susan woods nonprofit solutions you tube channel and her extensive follow the money series of videos on BLM. Also look into what the kneeling really means. I had hopes that when fans were in again this nonsense wouldn’t stand but after the pitiful pandering from Spurs fans and Norwich fans helping EJECT one of their own for booing I don’t think there will be much problem for police etc such is the medias grip on the minds of this country. West Ham, Millwall and Colchester aside.
BLM is not about helping black community or their progression in the world. BLM have put race relations back 60 years.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago

I’ll say it again. If you think there’s a racism problem NOW in football. When or if fans are back…go and try it?! See how long you last before you are chucked out by fans or stewards and charged. It just doesn’t stand anymore. It’s not the 70’s and 80’s..although you wouldn’t know it.

Last edited 1 month ago by Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago

Aaaand bang! The downvotes… immediately. That’ll give you some idea of what’s going on here.

Last edited 1 month ago by Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

Yep. They’re responsible for the death of upstanding Black Americans like David Dorn among others.

hentus
hentus
1 month ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

just to be clear – which if any, of: a) abolition of police; b) abolition of capitalism and c) ending zionist apartheid & ethnic cleansing in palestine, are you against?

yes, blm is an ethically compromised and fatally flawed movement. but don’t go conflating worthy ambition elsewhere with naive establishment marxism-what-a-terrible-thing right wing twaddle.

unless of course this blog subscribes to some mel gibson nato hollywood school of all things west good, all those east of folkstone nichts?

East Stand
East Stand
1 month ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

Anyone who thinks differently might be well meaning but extremely out of touch and/or naive…

Willie!
Willie!
1 month ago

Yes, when you lie, repeatedly, you’re likely to get downvotes from people who are not running a sub 80 IQ.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  Willie!

I haven’t lied.
What’s with IQ remarks genius?

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BrenLong
BrenLong
1 month ago

I can’t read past Soros without my tinfoil hat. The 5G mind beams won’t let me.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  BrenLong

Why don’t you stop being a baby and watch the videos I cited? There’s clear links. Tin foil hat…we really are in trouble with these parrots.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago

If that was double sarcasm I apologise

BrenLong
BrenLong
1 month ago

I’ve spent so long down those rabbit holes before, and thankfully emerged out the other side. When the light is on, you’d be surprised to find who funds the counter movements. Anyway, enough about all that malarky. Bill Gates is telling me to go and drink my fluoridated water.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  BrenLong

It’s not a rabbit hole. It’s a woman who has done a thorough investigation. The trite comments say it all. Comments like that demonstrate you haven’t come out the other side of anything. Feel free to eleborate on counter movements and what is being countered in this case…

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BrenLong
BrenLong
1 month ago

Let’s just say, my line of work involves following the money, and we’ll park it there like Jose’s bus. Moving on…

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  BrenLong

Ok.then you are in a better place to find out where all the BLM money has gone. Many people would like to know.

Ginger doc
Ginger doc
1 month ago

One anus funds both cheeks. It’s another distraction

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago
Reply to  Ginger doc

Certainly alot of that. I’m right nor left. It’s a game.

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
1 month ago

On Soros, I suppose the 5 nations who av banned him have tin foil hats on too..

EssexSpur
EssexSpur
1 month ago

You fu*king racist c*nt! Only joking, but someone will accuse you of that!
Agree 100%. Heard Simon Jordan on Talk $hite a while ago say something similar when discussing with an activist. We need a strong, independent, fair anti-racism movement, not this political farce!

East Stand
East Stand
1 month ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

Uses unnecessarily long words to say fairly simple things, other than that he’s quite listenable, I agree.