VAR is a force for good, but not if it’s used as a vanity project for pedants. Nonsensical calls for offside when digital imaging can prove a 3 mm violation does nobody any good.
The whole point about VAR was to rule out human error, not elevate it to a new height.
The City goal ruled offside was also offside, yet neither decision would have ruined the game.
In pre-VAR times, it is most likely that both goals would have drawn scrutiny from post match pundits, using the pause function on their big studio touch screens. But it’s ambitious to say that anyone would have dubbed either goal as a grievous miscarriage.
Spurs losing this game however, did not hinge upon either call.
It’s becoming increasingly obvious even the very dullest of fans, that all is not well at Tottenham, and that something has to give.
Pochettino’s press conferences have become uncomfortable viewing. Mauricio’s attitude increasingly suggests he’d walk into a job at the VAR offices.
Maybe a career change would shift that cloud over his head, help ease that stick out of his bottom?
Spurs have only won one Premier League match so far, the only other sides to match this miserable form are Newcastle United and the mighty Aston Villa.
If the season continues as it has started, then Pochettino is a prime candidate for the chop. No doubt about it.
Will that solve anything? Absolutely not, unless, ENIC were to sell up at the same time.
There’s nothing as luxurious as a binary ultimatum to be found at Spurs.
I think we are coming from the same place – I’m not trying to excuse anything. I’m only trying to make the point that Sessegnon, Lo Celso and NDombele is better than no one or the likes of Clinton Njie and NKoudou. Our opinion of a signing shouldn’t be affect by the bloke getting injured.
A bit strong? Facts and known truths as opposed to what the media feeds us is a bit strong? Unless you have incontrovertable evidence to the contrary Lo Celso is a loan, there are no guarantees that boy will become a permanent signing, he’s also badly injured and won’t be having any say on proceedings this side of Xmas. Sessignon is a prospect and a prospect only, if he was so bright thenwhy did he repeatedly get hung out to dry in the EPL last season? How do you know he will come good? Unlike Maddison who was more of a prospect, cheaper, has come good and who sunk us yesterday. Notice you didn’t address our benched Leeds teen or any of the other piss poor shenanigans that will play out over this season to keep us out of the top four. Not having a go personally mate but i don’t come to this site to hear wooly thinking about rainbows and unicorns, training facilities and cheese rooms.
I think you’re being a bit strong there. I’m not suggesting the window was perfect but the profile of the players that joined was markedly different than what has gone on before in recent times. Lo Celso is not just a loan – the loan was constructed to save us money. Sessegnon is not a “cast off” he’s one of the brightest prospects around at 19. He’ll come good don’t worry.
An injured loan signing, a months too late midfielder, a benched Leeds Teen and an unfit Fulham cast off. All arriving too late and with no pre-season and that’s a positive and welcome change? Not to mention selling our best right back AGAIN, not shifting Tin tin, not sorting out the contract situation with Vets and Tobes, not getting cover for Harry kane, AGAIN. But yeah you’re right we need to be more understanding.
I think as fans we need to be more understanding when players are sold. We hate it when a favourite goes but we need to get over it. If Levy was able to reinvent the money effectively, there shouldn’t be a problem. Up until now he has a fairly poor track record with this, but for me our summer signings are a very positive and welcome change.
Learn you say?
I hear you Paul.
No, not unfair, just a tougher start, so we should be aware of this before just looking at points totals. The worst result is still Newcastle at home. Totally agree regarding pressing and our old away record. We’re definitely worse these days. Changes required.
I like poch but it’s like he’s still learning everytime I see him. He went a long time without buying any player’s I’m amazed at what he’s managed to achieve in that time. Now he has the training facility the ground and he got pretty much all the player’s he wanted. 8 points from 6 game’s and it’s worse if you want to go back to 18 games my advice is please don’t look at that. Can Tottenham sustain much more. If we don’t get in the top 4 it would send us back 7 year’s because our best players will want out and we couldn’t get the best in. If we can sustain it it’s a matter of how long. I pray he sorts it out and fast but my confidence in him is slipping away slowly and that hurt’s in it’s self
Quite right. You have to refresh the squad, even if there’s not much wrong with it. One signing in two years as Moura was is not enough to maintain the vibrancy and forward momentum for a club at this level.
Secondly as you say, what is there left for Verts, Toby and Eriksen to do at Spurs? They haven’t been given contacts a while ago that could have made them commit. Therefore they are prisoners, modern footballers are used to unprecedented freedoms, unless they play under Levy of course.
The Trippier exit and this current crop of contract rebels (4 including Rose) suggests something might be amiss.
Levy has shown how incompetent he really is because how much will it cost to replace 4 first team players set to exit the club at the same time? In fact how can that even be done without some very serious disruption to the team.
Shiny new stadium but not a clue how to run a big club, a winkle stall is about all he could manage in football terms. I couldn’t give a fuck how good a real estate speculator he might be.
The man is an affront to decency in terms of how the first team should be run and coach backed, he should hand in his notice.
Highest paid in the league? What a fucking joke…
Quite right. You have to refresh the squad, even if there’s not much wrong with it. One signing in two years as Moura was is not enough to maintain the vibrancy and forward momentum for a club at this level.
Secondly as you say, what is there left for Verts, Toby and Eriksen to do at Spurs? They haven’t been given contacts a while ago that could have made them commit. Therefore they are prisoners, modern footballers are used to unprecedented freedoms, unless they play under Levy of course.
The Trippier exit and this current crop of contract rebels (4 including Rose) suggests something might be amiss.
Levy has shown how incompetent he really is because how much will it cost to replace 4 first team players set to exit the club at the same time? In fact how can that even be done without some very serious disruption to the team.
Shiny new stadium but not a clue how to run a big club, a winkle stall is about all he could manage in football terms. I couldn’t give a fuck how good a real estate speculator he might be.
The man is an affront to decency in terms of how the first team should be run and coach backed, he should hand in his notice.
Highest paid in the league? What a fucking joke…
So you’re saying it’s been a bit unfair because we’ve had to play good teams and we shouldn’t be judged on competing against good teams and only judge us after things have gone a bit in our favour? January will solve nothing, we never buy exactly what or who we need that are able to hit the ground running and have immediate effect. We used to have the best away record in the League btw. We also used to press.
No chance – Poch has much more credit than to be treated like that. Don’t forget Levy loves him and will only sack him if he absolutely has to.
Note to self. When Spurs sell a decent right back whose name begins with K bad things usually follow. We’re two for two on this.
Oh and they have to be from the North and a bit thick too.
Note to self. When Spurs sell a decent right back whose name begins with K bad things usually follow. We’re two for two on this.
Oh and they have to be from the North and a bit thick too.
Not when you look at the overall picture.. After two years of neglecting the team. No signings. World records for all the wrong reasons involving transfer activity. Contract negotiations stalling.. Deadwood not sold and players wanting out but forced to stay.. Levys to blame for our current state of affairs.. Pochs hand is often forced with decisions, players are played out of position because we simply don’t have any strength in depth. No quality options.. Poch won’t get sacked, he will go whenever he chooses.. If hes not backed in the next two transfer windows (levy has publicly stated he will back poch now and the focus will be on the team now the superbowl has been built) then he will be gone… The next two windows will be crucial… More importantly levy also needs to prove to kane that he has serious ambition to improve the squad, or else he will go too
We’ve cocked up a bit haven’t we?! Watching this all unfold is rather ugly and reminds that as soon as a player doesn’t want to be somewhere, you need to get rid immediately. It doesn’t matter how good they are, the damage that one player can do is too big to be worth holding on. You are also more likely to get a better price. Hindsight is easy so let’s learn for next time: offer a proper contract, and if they don’t want to sign it, sell. Then reinvent that money. There are a lot of good players that would love to come and play for us. Let’s not get hung up on anyone in particular.
It will be Xmas by the time we get anything resembling our shit together Easty and then we have the January transfer window with the will he wont he Tin tin saga dragging on and will Tobes or Verts go now or later, is Danny Rose off too and all of these will kick off again as we approach the end of the season. LoCelso won’t kick a ball until November – settled by about March then? And he goes at the end of the season?? Foyth supposedly our answer at RB but also crocked and not integrated into the team or that position at all and probs not for couple months yet. Doesn’t matter if we bring Dybala in January, he will need two months to settle and integrate. Our planning and execution when it comes to player contracts, transfers and so on – as it relates to an overall best strategy approach to on-field success – isn’t just bad, it’s a fucking joke. We might look like a half-decent side again towards the end of the season but will immediately lose a min of three key players the moment the season is over – and so it continues.
I think we all know that we were never going to change the top 2 this season even if the ‘rebuild’ had been competently carried out in the summer.
Therefore I remain optimistic that we will improve as the team settles, probably without Eriksen in it or as a bench warmer at most.
I see the fact Poch has brought in Gazzaniga, Foyth and LoCelso in recent times as a sign that he wants an Argentine core within the squad going forward.
January will tell us a lot, if Dybala joins for example I reckon Poch is in for the long haul. Currently LoCelso is only a loan but if Dybala comes and LoCelso made a permanent deal then Poch is rebuilding and committed long term.
Manure still want Poch, if Levy allows that then he should be strung up by his balls!
We will see…
I think we all know that we were never going to change the top 2 this season even if the ‘rebuild’ had been competently carried out in the summer.
Therefore I remain optimistic that we will improve as the team settles, probably without Eriksen in it or as a bench warmer at most.
I see the fact Poch has brought in Gazzaniga, Foyth and LoCelso in recent times as a sign that he wants an Argentine core within the squad going forward.
January will tell us a lot, if Dybala joins for example I reckon Poch is in for the long haul. Currently LoCelso is only a loan but if Dybala comes and LoCelso made a permanent deal then Poch is rebuilding and committed long term.
Manure still want Poch, if Levy allows that then he should be strung up by his balls!
We will see…
We’ve won 2 PL games…
People talking about the ‘project’ being finished can fuck off. We are not a project we are Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.
Poch should be given time. He is only underperforming relative to the higher bar he set.
ENIC OUT
COYS
If you look at the two VAR incidents,theirs was clearly offside but I don’t recall anyone saying that the linesman had called it as it was very clear.If he didn’t what is he doing there?
Ours was so close that nobody could spot it.Surely the advantage should be given to the attacker.How can you tell from VAR where the shoulder becomes the arm,because if it’s the arm that’s offside then the goal should stand,shouldn’t it?
You could argue that these incidents will even out over a season,but that’s not the point.The rules have been so messed around with to suit VAR that nobody can make sense of it.
I suspect Levy wouldn’t sack Poch until things got a lot, lot worse. The Xmas fixtures and January transfer window already look to be the defining point in the road ahead, not for the success of our season (that was lost before a ball was kicked) but for what manner of end the Pochettino project will come to. For the moment Levy wants to avoid anything overly dramatic whilst he closes in on his ultimate dream – to separate his toilet bowl empire from the on-pitch success of it’s current anchor tenant.
8 points from 6 game’s that’s sackable I’m afraid
It’s a Catch 22 situation. Poch has had enough, the project is over, but it will cost Levy a fortune to sack him, and no other club will pay Levy the compensation he will demand. Enic and Levy are going nowhere. They have just refinanced their debt, and where would they receive the type of yield they are getting on their investment. If they were going to put the club up for sale, they would demand a mooted £4 billion which no one would pay. Ergo, they are staying until Spurs fans start their own extinction rebellion to rid themselves of this vela and thoroughly unpleasant crew.
There are too many players that have been there for too long. This is becoming obvious now. Some want to leave, and this is no good for team morale. Our spirit is suffering and it’s damaging our hopes of any hint of success this season. As good as some of these players have been for us, the reality is we need to freshen things up. A new manager will often do that but I would rather the manager got to wield the axe as he pleases. Poch is capable but it’s played out before our eyes why you need to get rid of players before the rot sets in.
Maths isn’t my strongest point, but surely Spurs have won 2 Premier League matches this season, not one!
Not sure how VAR called this one.. If you look at the line and the players feet then Sons feet are behind player 6 (whoever that is) . VAR got it wrong…Player”s feet should determine the off side rule and not player;s body as Billy Bunter would never win a close call when playing.:-)
Facilities……blah blah blah….Arthur Rowe took training on a car park and we won consecutive titles 2nd and 1st division. RIP.
But at least we haven’t done a Lee……… jokes fuck levy sell us to someone who wants more than money please
Did people really expect Maurice to keep this team at the levels needed to continue a top 4 challenge with absolute neglect from the owner and a stadium clusterfuck thrown in?? The writings been on the wall for a long time, its shocking it hasn’t happened sooner. They’ve been scraping through the last couple of years mainly due to no real competition from rivals on account of them being unable to win matches. There’s only one place the blame lies. ENIC.
The board never really back the manager, they back their investment…Because of Poch, ENIC have made a bucket load of money, a lot more than expected, and therefore increased the build cost and now refinanced the debt over 30 years thus leaving them less vulnerable to needing top 4….they have used him and now don’t need him (btw this is in no way giving Poch a free pass) as much as they did…It wouldn’t surprise me if they picked him off when the fans get angry to take blame away from Levy..
The Poch out ‘at least we haven’t done a Leeds’ mob should be shot on sight…
Sacking Poch would be like cutting your own legs off when you have a brain tumour.
I watched Pep’s post match and he demanded they show respect to Watford by continuing their philosophy which ended up getting them another 3 goals.
Not focusing on the squad whilst the stadium was being “over” built has come back to hurt us in more ways than one….”we don’t need new signings” or “who can we buy that’s better” was aways a sad losers mentality, and as expected, we now have a long and tortuous mountain to climb….
btw – I drove past Reading FC’s new training ground the other day and its amazing…just saying…
And when the board finally decide to invest Poch is non the wiser and has to have a meeting AFTER the facts “to make amends” with the chairman….do you know how ridiculous that sounds! Levy is upset because Wanyama didn’t go and he didn’t get his NET spend back on course…
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE sell our club and fuck off….
Lots of “Poch Out” doing the rounds, but not much for our beloved chairman that has given us self filling beer cups..!!
Not really up to speed on VAR in the EPL. Does VAR get the final say or does the on-field ref make the final decision after considering the VAR result? The problem is that now the on-field ref is under greater scrutiny and may defer to VAR, assuming that the VAR has got the decision correct, so won’t disregard it?
Watched an AFL semi-final last night which has a goal line review system to assist the goal and field umpires. It is usually checking to see if the football hit the post or was touched by an opposition player, either of which turns a 6 point goal into a 1 point behind. There were 3 instances where the ball was touched in flight and the score review turned 2 of the goals into behinds. Unfortunately one wasn’t and the on-screen TV replays were quite clear it was touched .This led to a very tense last 7 minutes with another goal potentially giving that team the game. Fortunately that did not happen and the right team won the game and goes into the Grand Final. But it could easily have gone the other way and the result would not have been overturned..
If this was work where i have to take an unbiased and emotionless view of things based on research and a solid command of the facts then tbh if i was pushed to take a position i’d be short Spurs and long Leicester and Cheatski on all timeframes. Just saying.
Also worth noting that our 3 away games this season: City, Arsenal and Leicester have been very tough. Things could look a lot better after a more favourable run. Still doesn’t disguise the fact we need to be very active in the January window.