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Reporter Inadvertently Highlights The Massive Problem That Will Always Hold Spurs Back
By Harry Hotspur -

I was not entirely a lone voice against ENIC, but for many years it appeared obvious to me that the club was no longer just a football club, and we were embarked upon something a lot different. Initially, because I’m a certain vintage, I’d felt that keeping managers at bay was a good thing and that Daniel Levy’s tight grip on the reign was positive. Football had been the province of second-hand car dealers and for every Jack Walker or Sir John Hall, there were too many absolute fly-by nights who knew little about either business or football.

Then it became evident (repeatedly) that ENIC were simply an outfit designed to be a supersonic version of the charlatans that have infested the game. Slowly but surely it emerged The Lane was to be demolished. Fans were actually hysterically cheering banking facilities online, then came an entirely different sort of pornography of the stadium build itself. Every week people flew over the building site, walked around the building site, sharing updates about a process that few even bothered to question the cost of.

In this place, I was repeatedly sneered at, shouted down and called all mall sorts, a good few sought to get me de-platformed for my heresy which is now garden variety chit-chat on mainstream social media pages. Thankfully I have a hide of kevlar and the noisy minority was simply binned. It was weird being in the thick of such vehement in-fighting, in real life I’d grown up always seeing hooligans taking lumps out of each other whilst wearing opposing, and not the same colours.

Fast-forward to 2021 and it now seems the bulk of supporters have had enough. Jeeze, even the Supporter’s Trust are at war with the board! All too little, too late. Now reporter Alasdair Gold in a Q&A tells us who he understands Tottenham have targeted.

Sabitzer is 27 and Anderson is with a side that will be relegated from the Premier League. Yet Alasdair Gold (who we quote verbatim) above in a recent Q&A understands that both are current targets.

These are two desperate selections for a club with the pretensions of a top-flight Premier League side with a billion-pound stadium. Worse yet, did José Mourinho have any interest in either player or Mauricio Pochettino before him?

No matter who manages Tottenham, we will always be walking through porridge with ENIC’s focus on the greater good for its investment. NFL, plus Guns and Roses. All while Spurs bob about in and out of the top four. The core tenant of the spaceship that makes good profits, which the more exciting commercial activities can then add to further.

The problem that ENIC has run into recently is that the European Super League fiasco has been effectively high jacked by a fanbase that is still smarting over Pochettino’s sacking, the appointment of the Portuguese Pulis and one trophy in 20 years.

Prediction? This won’t end well.

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Philbealog
Philbealog
6 months ago

Spurs will not be a preferred destination for players with Champions League credentials or potential for all the good reasons that we on here and the agents of those players know. This means a top priority right now should be to grab a talent spotter who has a track record for finding diamonds in the rough. I don’t know who fulfills that role at Leicester but whoever it is I would go after him in a New York second as for some time now I have felt that the best transfer policy for Spurs would be find out who Leicester are going after and then outbid them at the last moment. Unfortunately, as is the case with Brendan R, there would be no good reason for that individual to elope to Hotspur Way all the time Doctor Evil is sitting there doing his own bargain bin shopping and paying lip service to those with real football brains. Which brings us back to the sad conclusion that Levy’s departure is the only thing that will allow this club to sit at the top table as long as it’s occupancy is determined by on field results rather than penis enlargement stadiums.

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
6 months ago
Reply to  Philbealog

Worlds best talent spotter at Spurs would make no difference because he would be ignored. When you can’t work out that Jack Grealish is a top player and spend a few quid then you are clueless.

Limerick AL.
Limerick AL.
6 months ago
Reply to  James McKevitt

When it comes to buying players Spurs are in The Tyre Kicker Mould. I gave up being interested because ENIC FC make an Act Of Parliament out of all Transfers, thats when they are bothered.

MickyZ
MickyZ
6 months ago

I do not understand how all the media make out Levy to be a financial genious! His transfer dealings at the end of windows have totally upset starts to seasons and hacked of clubs for future deals or missed out on top players either haggling over small amounts or not paying top wage to get top players. And turning estimated stadium costs of £450m into excess of £1b absolutely laughable

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
6 months ago
Reply to  MickyZ

Yes, I seem to remember the quoted figure for the stadium, as recently as 2016, being around 400 million and not the 1.3 billion it metamorphosed into!

entre
entre
6 months ago

The very fact that Daniel Levy is still in situ is all the proof you need to see that success on the football pitch is of absolutely no interest to ENIC.

Mike
Mike
6 months ago

I’d take Sabitzer and Anderson quite happily (and ditch Dier and/or Sanchez… plus Wink and/or Sissy.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Mike

Peh gotta get in his fellow Danes ear

mikeyhughes
mikeyhughes
6 months ago

I too recall saying many years ago the Levy and enic weren’t interested in winning trophies just getting top 4 every season. I was laughed off this forum by some of the brain-dead dum dums you then entertained before the purge, where are they now because as Farage said so famously in the EU parliament “you’re not laughing now are you?”.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
6 months ago
Reply to  mikeyhughes

I do wonder if some of those Levy fans have got it yet!

VladimirIlyich
VladimirIlyich
6 months ago

As much as I think you are jokers for your weird obsession with imaginary marxists, it’s funny how well you do at identifying the problem and yet remain so far from a tenable solution. If I actually proposed the only real solution that would give you what you wanted, I’d probably get shouted down in much the same way. Alas

VladimirIlyich
VladimirIlyich
6 months ago
Reply to  VladimirIlyich

On another note, I find it quite amusing whenever someone mentions Abramovich in relation to our club because his plan was always to buy Spurs and it’s only through Chelsea’s absolutely incompetent ownership running their club into the ground that he changed his mind because of how much cheaper the club was. Nowadays ofc 160mil might get you Harry’s left nut.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  VladimirIlyich

Fair point.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
6 months ago
Reply to  VladimirIlyich

I think the Chelsea Village and the near central London location probably also played a part in Abramovich buying up Chelsea rather than us. We looked a bit second rate and out in the sticks.

Marbella Spur
Marbella Spur
6 months ago
Reply to  VladimirIlyich

You are right that his intention was to buy Spurs who he saw as a Jewish club. Firstly, he was dismayed driving through Tottenham on his way to WHL and described it as a war zone. Secondly, Levy didn’t think he could afford it!

São Paulo Spurs
São Paulo Spurs
6 months ago

I’ve been supporting Spurs for 35 years and I can’t remember a time when I felt so disengaged with the club or apathetic towards the forthcoming season.
Roman at Chelsea gets a lot of stick for giving his managers the Spanish archer. However, his team are preparing for a FA cup & CL final and they have a decent chance of winning both. You might not like his approach but it definitely works. The people at the top at Chelsea demand success. So much so they even sacked the fans favourite player.
Levy on the other hand adopts a similar approach to hiring and firing with zero success on the football pitch. Levy is a serial loser. Whatever he’s doing regarding player and managerial recruitment isn’t working. It’s never worked.
Players don’t sign for Spurs and feel immediate pressure to succeed. The message from the chairman is “try and get into the top 4 please ‘cos we like the CL money. Trophies? Give ‘em a whirl, sure but don’t waste too much time on that nonsense. This is a business not a football club, remember”

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago

‘Levy is a serial loser.’ – in a nutshell.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago

Dirty money mate. Who cares though🌚

Marbella Spur
Marbella Spur
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Let me know where Joe Lewis, aka the President of Patagonia, made his money.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
6 months ago

They’ll probably win the Cup, alas, but I’m fairly sure City will take the CL. Incidentally, Chelsea or Leicester now likely to miss out on CL football next season. If Liverpool win their last three games which seems highly likely (away games at Burnley and West Brom and a home game against Palace), Chelsea would need to win their remaining two games (which includes at home to Leicester) to finish above the Reds; if this happens, then Leicester could only tie Liverpool, who in winning three games would most likely have a superior goal difference to the Foxes.

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
6 months ago

I very much would like to see Leicester win tomorrow and not just because they’ve lost each of their four previous finals (including three in the sixties). Chelsea wound us up for days before the notorious 2-2 draw in 2016 telling everyone they’d do anything to ensure that Leicester won the title rather than us (I believe Chelsea should have been held responsible, too, for their part in that explosive encounter for their provocative behaviour prior to the game). Having succeeded in getting their darlings that night past the title winning post, I’d just love for the Foxes to do one on Chelsea themselves tomorrow. It would be a kind of karma. Come on you Foxes!

Spurs61
Spurs61
6 months ago

So what do you want to see at the club to take it forward?? You appear to be anti THFT and anti ENIC and anti LEVY.. Let’s hear your point for point plan for success on the pitch. Which available manager should be appointed. What players should we go for and how should we fund them. Criticism is fine but without alternative solutions it’s empty

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
6 months ago
Reply to  Spurs61

When Harry is paid £15 million a year by Spurs I’m sure he’ll be more than happy to help.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago

I remember several months before Pochettino was shown the door, there was fanfare of sorts on the club website hailing the contact extensions of both Ben Davies and Moussa Sissoko. When asked about this momentous moment in the club’s history, he just said in a deadpan voice “this is for the club to decide, I do not have anything to do with these things”.

This is Levy and this is ENIC. This is their level, it’s what they do; mediocrity.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Mediocrity with ‘world class’ facilities, I should say…

mikeyhughes
mikeyhughes
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

We’re tramps living in a palace.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  mikeyhughes

On a payday loan!

Richard David Bernard Taylor
Richard David Bernard Taylor
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Which is going to look more and more ridiculous as the years roll by: a kind of English equivalent of Queens Park playing at Hampden Park, except that Queens Park were once aristocrats of the game, at least when the FIRST Hampden was built at any rate.

You can imagine future tourists wanting to know what great club plays at this fabulous stadium, only to be told it’s “Tottenham Hotspur and, actually, they’re not much good. Seldom win anything”

England Mike
England Mike
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Ben was a Poch signing, Sissoko not sure about but as bad a signing you could get.

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
6 months ago
Reply to  England Mike

That was Levy, he had a choice between Wijnaldum and Sissoko.

Marbella Spur
Marbella Spur
6 months ago
Reply to  England Mike

Poch wanted Wijnaldum, Levy bought Sissoko.

Suffolk Spur
Suffolk Spur
6 months ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

Is that a fact though?

Marbella Spur
Marbella Spur
6 months ago

All of what you write is correct, but if it is not going to end well, how is it going to end? Noone will pay Enic the price they will ask. Lewis should sack his CEO who is a complete incompetent but won’t do so, and please don’t regurgitate the rubbish line that he can’t sack Levy because he owns 29% of the shares. So what does the future hold for Spurs fans? Is it a continuation of Groundhog Day? Answers on a postcard please.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

It’s been obvious since they sacked Jol at half time. None of this surprises me which I why I knew that the new stadium would change nothing.

By the way, the pandemic is a red herring too. If it wasn’t then why have Chelsea spent what they have during it? 🤔

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Just out of interest what did you expect the stadium to change in her first full season with no money coming in?

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Whatever income streams the stadium is supposed to generate in the present or future will not make any tangible difference to our financial status when compared to City, Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool. Three out of those four have stadiums of a similar capacity or larger. Chelsea and City have owners with real money of their own.

A few NFL games and concerts a year plus the increased match day revenues will never bridge the financial gap between us and those clubs. So overall I don’t see the stadium on its own changing a great deal to what ENIC spend on the team. It’s a myth.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

OK then

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

I guess time will tell won’t it.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Yes. Will you be hoping I’m right?

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Yes I will. Hope however needs to be based on factoids…

Big Mal
Big Mal
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Let’s stick to facts. By 2021 Tottenham had caught Chelsea and closed the gap to the top earning club in England to the lowest it has been for years. Tottenham’s capacity is 8,000 more than City and over 9,000 more than Liverpool and the extra revenue is massive due to London prices and having so much more hospitality than these clubs. Manchester United sent a delegation to the new stadium to see what they could learn as thneir stadium is an antiquated concrete bowl with poor hospitality facilities. They were absolutely blown away by what they saw. The aim is to have NFL, boxing, rugby, concerts, gaming and other events totally 16 per year. This will produce an enormous amount of extra income. Tottenham do not have owners/countries who pump in billions on transfer fees and wages hence why Man City will continue to win the PL year after year and Chelsea will also have success even though even Abramovich cannot compete with City. If it’s a myth that the stadium cannot bridge the gap then obviously we have absolutely no chance of competing until we are also owned by an oligarch/country and that will also be the case for Liverpool and Manchester United as they are finding. Consequently I’m not sure of the point that you are making. The new stadium post pandemic will dramatically increase Tottenham’s income. What ENIC do with it is another matter and has been discussed on this blog for years.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Big Mal

Anfield is being redeveloped as we speak, once they build their next new stand (they completed the last one in 2017) they will be around 60k and have even more hospitality space than they do already. Everton have revealed plans for a new 55k at Liverpool docks.

If Utd’s delegation were indeed ‘blown away’ by what they saw then I expect them to begin upgrading as Liverpool are, in the coming years. This stuff just isn’t out of the reach of wealthier clubs than us. We don’t own the copyright for all eternity to all this match day stuff.

Its probably useful to remember that all of the sane kind of things were said about The Emptycrates when that opened. Look at Arsenal now and tell me that they’re more competitive than they were at The Library. I’m just looking at what’s gone before and based on that I see no massive changes based on the stadium alone on the horizon…

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Exactly. Arsenal are the blueprint for corporate stadia failure. They aren’t even anchor tennants.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago

The only thing they don’t have is the NFL thing. They have concerts etc there, what people need to remember is that there is no fundamental difference between what Spurs and Arsenal have done. So why would the outcomes be any different? Also they were a wealthier club than us when they moved in too…

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

What? I’m not even gonna bother. If you say so

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago

Why you worrying about them fools? Don’t compare us to them. There thing ain’t nothing like our thing. We’ll show them how to run big stadia

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Pool Better watch out that Evertons new stadium gonna nick a big portion of future fans. They’ll be involved in the community more.

Big Mal
Big Mal
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

To do what Tottenham have done would mean United knocking down OT and re-building so it won’t happen. They are stuck. Tottenham’s hospitality brings in £800K per game, Man City’s brings in £150K. Whatever you say about the stadium it has been designed to deliver enormous amounts of revenue by fleecing companies via hospitality – that was why it was knocked down and rebuilt. The footprint is enormous and everywhere you look is another bar/restaurant etc. Liverpool cannot do anything close at Anfield because they are hemmed and do not have the room for all the corporate hospitality. Everton’s stadium will generate far less than Tottenham, again because of the size, less hospitality and location.

A conservative estimate of the extra income just from football is £50m – somewhere around £20m on extra hospitality and £30m on extra season tickets, match day tickets, spend in the stadium/shop etc. Then you have the 16 extra events and everything else that will happen on a daily basis. This is now a 365 day per year venue with all the small events that happen. So at a time when ever club needs to drive their income the stadium is likely to bring in around £70m extra per season and rising as things develop (and naming rights to follow, we hope).

I have no idea what the extra income will be spent on but it’s happening and is absolutely vital moving forward. I loved WHL and was gutted that I missed my 50th anniversary of going there but it was falling down and generating nowhere near the income required to compete with clubs in England, let alone Europe. Travelling to Barca, Real etc to watch the CL brought that into stark focus.

I don’t care what a terrible mess the Americans have made of Arsenal and we may find that ENIC do the same with us (or already have as most people on this blog suggest – I’m unashamedly sitting on the fence!) but the extra income from the stadium is ‘enormous’ and indisputable.

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  Big Mal

Yep. This is the point I was trying to make below. Excellent comment

Osvaldo
Osvaldo
6 months ago
Reply to  Big Mal

Quite agree. The stadium is the only thing that can keep Spurs vaguely competitive. Even if ENIC aren’t so focused on winning trophies, they certainly want top four finishes.

Arsenal, have spent large sums on players such as Aubameyang Pepe and Lacaette but rather like Spurs, have suffered with a lack of team mentality on the pitch at times and have not recruited the right managers. Arsenal for all their faults do seem to have a bigger conveyor belt of talent from their academy which will also generate income.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Osvaldo

Some perspective;

The Emirates was completed only about 12 years ago, it was massive project and it bristles with many of the features our new place does. Loads of hospitality, almost the same capacity, local amenities transformed etc.

It is also, (regarding local infrastructure serviced by two zone three London Underground stations) which our place isn’t.

Now I’m not saying that their place is as good, or even on a par with ours being 12 years newer.

The point I’m trying to make is the words ‘huge’ and ‘massive’ must also apply to the Emirates in terms of the revenues it generates.

Ok. so our place produces even an extra 25% more revenues (debatable) annually. What actual tangible difference will that make to what is spent on the team, when they already spend 50m a year more on player wages than us.

Will it produce 50m a year more than Arsenal’s does so we can bridge that funding gap for the first team? I very much doubt it, that’s all. Show me the math and I’ll be happy to go along with that..

Big Mal
Big Mal
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Why do you keep comparing us to Arsenal. This is the ‘doing a Leeds’ argument all over again. Arsenal have fucked up big time. They moved into the stadium 15 years ago. Tottenham have looked at their stadium and made everything better. Bigger capacity; more bars; more food outlets; more and better hospitality etc. Why wouldn’t they. Tottenham looked at the opposition and made everything better. Tottenham had to dramatically increase income and they have done just that. As we are continually talking about Arsenal which is incredibly tedious, have a look at their wages situation. Arsenal are desperate to get players off their wage bill hence why they have sent so many out on loan and are playing youngsters and have recently got rid of Ozil and Sanchez. They banked on being successful in the CL every year, paid ridiculous wages to achieve this and found (surprise, surprise) that it is utterly unsustainable. The gap in wages last year was £40m and is closing. So yes, Tottenham’s extra income from the new stadium as opposed to WHL will be more than this every season. Whether they spend this extra income on wages/transfers etc. is another matter.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Big Mal

So much more enormous than what the Emptycrates produces? Look, I’m sure that the stadium will make more than that place but we still pay our players 50m a season less than they do, and their stadium isn’t as profitable as our will be? 🤔 I’m just sceptical about how much stadiums can transform finances when you look at the TV revenues etc. Sure it helps but it’s just one part of the bigger picture. Of course our new place has had all the hype recently as it’s the newest one, but it was the same with the Gooners, I remember it clearly.

Big Mal
Big Mal
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

So, other than selling to an oligarch or country/state what do Tottenham do to increase revenue to purchase players, pay agents and wages? You keep saying the stadium doesn’t make much difference but not what Tottenham should do instead

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

We do own the copy Right for all eternity to all the match day stuff. We rent out and keep the food and drink £ when we’re not using it. Every time the stadium is used Tottenham get paid

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
6 months ago
Reply to  Big Mal

We were competing at WHL. We used to win stuff and even under Harry and Poch we were competing, beating Chelsea and City. I remember Luka tearing apart Essien, Lampard at the Lane….all it needed was a extra push to take us to glory, a push that was well within the realms of financial possibility…..but Levy did nothing. Corporate stadium to compete is the biggest myth in football, to facilitate the destruction of football clubs as community hubs and to take the game further away from the working class. Ask the Gooners. But then, we won’t need to, cos we are finding out….

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East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago

This 100%.

My Gooner mates were so full of all of this stuff when they moved in too…

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

I don’t know one gooner (I know many) that wants to go back to Highbury. I never even hear them say they miss the place like I hear spurs fans do

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

I don’t want to go back to WHL, so long as we will be better off in the new place. So far we are still waiting, let’s see in a few years.

Anyway, Highbury was never WHL, no wonder they don’t miss it…

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago

No money there to sign big players on big wages. Also more people can get to watch the might tottenham Hotspur. Can’t be a serious player in a Small stadium. Listen I loved the old place too. Used to walk past it practically every day for a big chunk of my live. My aunty lived at 36 park lane. So many memories there highs and lows. It was time to say good bye to her (in my opinion) the team is still playing in tottenham N17. That’s the main thing for me

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Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

I also think if its a myth to have a corporate/large stadium to be competitive then how come all of the winners of major honours and European leagues have them?

VladimirIlyich
VladimirIlyich
6 months ago

It’s no different from the oil money, it’s all capital investment top to bottom, gone from the working class long ago. Which is why it’s weird for some people to compare us to City, PSG, Chelsea or even clubs that have leveraged other aspects of their status to create lockout scenarios in their leagues, like the Bundesliga. Not that Bayern are even that different when you look at how much Qatari money they take and what their business strategies are.

Reality is that all of it is rotten from top down and that quibbling about this or that or more regulation or whatever doesn’t fucking matter because as long as the profitability and exposure is in the sport it can’t be utilized as a social good for working people. This is why a lot of people are hopelessly naive, including most protesting ENIC right now.

The outcry from some is pretty much just whining about being unfortunate enough to be a club that has to make money because that’s what the market dictates. Spurs was going to be Chelsea, Abramovich was always buying Spurs, Chelsea got rewarded for having hundreds of millions in debt because he could buy the club on the cheap.

In my mind, every virtue that people talk about with regards to what makes us love our clubs is dramatically counterposed to success as anything except the romanticism that comes from punching above ones weight. People acted like Leicester were minnows who completed a fairytale win of the PL but who exactly are their ownership?
King Power, who have been pumping international capital into the club since 2010 in the literal sense, given their status as Duty-Free commercial giants. Their success owes much to being given exclusive gated access to markets via Royal Permit, as such extracting Monopoly Rents. Hardly the stuff of dreams.

Look at Lille. On the verge of winning Ligue 1 against Qatari PSG but the financial position of French Football is so fucked that the goal off the back of such a historic moment is to cash in on the entire squad, further consolidating the stranglehold of Capital on the sport. And it’s not as if Lille are completely free of the vestiges of Global Capital and are a small community run club, they’re just being outcompeted off the pitch. And the reality is that’s all that matters anymore. Everything on the pitch is a formality.

Big Mal
Big Mal
6 months ago

Yes we were competing. We had good managers and bought good players and created a good side. The season we ended second we were outstanding. If we had smashed our transfer record and paid a lot of money for 2 or 3 new players and paid them what City and Chelsea offer we could have gone on and won the league. However City and Chelsea will always spend more/pay more for obvious reasons. We would not have competed going forward at WHL. The extra income is vital, hence why City have expanded; Liverpool have expanded, Abramovich wanted to build a £1b stadium; Everton are building a new stadium; West Ham went to the Olympic dump; Leicester are planning to expand (looks interesting) etc. ‘Look at Arsenal’ is becoming the new ‘we could have done a Leeds’. The American owners at Arsenal don’t care about football, as we know. Their hopeless mis management has nothing to do with Tottenham (although I hope it continues, of course) but it is being used to say ‘Tottenham should not have built a new stadium – just look at Arsenal’. As I have stated many times we don’t know how the extra income will be used; finding out has been put back by the pandemic; a drop in income of £175m and climbing will affect the way ENIC manage the finances. Maybe it will give them an excuse to not spend any money, however they are at a major turning point. If the club drifts down the table and keeps missing out on CL and maybe even Europa income will dramatically fall for lots of obvious reasons and their whole strategy falls apart. I think the signings of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Reguilon, PEH, Sanchez and Bergwijn suggested ENIC were changing their stance on signings. We are in the Man City era that could go on for many, many years. They will win the league at least 4 in every 5 years I would suggest – there may be the occasional blip where Abramovich spends massively again (perhaps by buying Kane) but City will continue rolling along. Tottenham need someone as wealthy as Man City’s owners (obviously) or a 365 day a year stadium that generates enormous amounts of extra income or probably both. Man City are simply light years ahead and actually there is not a lot of difference between Man U in second and Arsenal in 9th. Those 8 teams basically win slightly more than they lose while Man City keep moving along winning 2 or 3 trophies every year. How exciting is that.

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

The pandemic isn’t a red herring at all. Chelsea had a transfer ban the season before and sold Hazard for £103m which was burning a hole in their pocket.

Their net spend for the last 2 seasons is £66m.

Our net spend across the same period is £162m with £99m spent last summer and only £12m received for KWP.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

I think we’ve been the biggest spenders since moving into the new lane

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

I must admit, I haven’t looked that deeply in to it. But you could be right.

Spent £99m last summer and £133m the summer before.

Only received £12m for sales last summer and £58m the year before.

We can’t say money hasn’t been spent, we can comment on if it’s been spent in the right areas and also when it should have been spent (the barren seasons for Poch) but it seems to have been available.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

Did that money come from match day revenues at the new gaff? Nope.

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

I didn’t say it did?

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

You didn’t no. I think there are two conversations taking place here. You’re taking about net spend over certain periods and Tappa is talking about how the stadium will transform everything going forward.

I would love to agree with him on that, but I’m just being realistic.

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Haha! I think you’re right, there’s a couple of conversations going on.

I think we can agree that in theory it should (i’ve written more detail above) but it’s about where those funds are directed.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

Don’t forget the debt…

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Worry more about Haringey councils money. £110.000 per day. Tottenham pay the highest council tax in world football. London see

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Paper have to make inna this town. You think all them shops with a man fixing phones at the front are wanted there? Was joking on the horn with Oswald boateng he said he might have to get a phone man in his Seville row shop😂

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Classy!

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Clubs are worried about us, as in our future financial might. We gonna be cutting serious paper. You may believe the money won’t go back into the squad but you can’t have any doubts about the money that’s gonna be generated. Big big dough gonna be passing through Tottenham.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

I don’t wanna appear optimistic (its frowned apon) but things are gonna get better. Much better. I think a different calibre of baller will be coming in from now on. Pound land baller days are done. In my humble opinion. We’ll be stashing ballers in about 5 years time. Nuff quality youts loaned out around Europe. Bit like Chelsea. Stoc£

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Like I say, time will have to tell. If new owners came in then your predictions might be true. Never with these crooks though…

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

I don’t want to talk about the owners (get me in stick) but I honesty can’t see what difference new owners will make. What they gonna do? Give us money? We just need Frank arnsen back and for levy to just stay upstairs and stay out of football matters

Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

The Ndombele signing is the one that’s always pointed to as proof that Levy spent recently and bumps up the figures, but again, that transfer was another red herring, a 3 year too late replacement for Mousa Dembele that followed consecutive windows of zero incoming. Unprecedented lunacy. Then you av the Lo Celso in January AND the summer windows trick which was a masterful piece of spin, so you had fans Arguing that we’d spent money in 2 different windows citing the same player as a 50 million example. The whole Levy transfer situation is a running joke.

Last edited 6 months ago by Is Gascoigne gonna have a crack?
Dan
Dan
6 months ago

Agree the Ndombele type signing was 3 years too late.

The figures I quoted above were from Transfermarkt across the whole of last season and the previous. So very black and white.

But I do remember people citing Lo Celso twice on here.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

Dya think ndom and our mouse woulda worked well?

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Match made in heaven, would have been frightening Tappa. Mousa would have been the midfield general and Tanguy would have been the creative.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

Was thinking the same thing. Poch shoulda said to dembs. Nope you are not leaving. I’ll talk to Daniel to try get a few more quid for ya. (Extra £10k a week. OK maybe £5🌚

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago

Correct again.

Big Mal
Big Mal
6 months ago

Mousa Dembele left in January 2019; Ndombele joined in July 2019. No one in their right mind states that we bought Lo Celso in 2 transfer windows and he cost £50m. At no stage did anyone ‘spin’ this. This is simply nonsense. ENIC have not made enough signings but stick to facts

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Big Mal

Dembs and wanny. Erikson hovering in space for it. Brilliant

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Celly only cost 27 mil I think. No more than 30

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

£28.8m according to Transfermarkt

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

We didn’t sign anyone for 12 months before and we had four seasons of Champions League revenues in the bank. It had nothing to do with playing games at the new place.

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

I don’t think Tappa is suggesting that the new stadium provided those funds. But having it completed would naturally mean that Spurs are more aware of their finances (i.e. what’s left) and could then invest a bit more in the squad than they had in previous seasons.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

Sure, but my point is overall, what difference does anyone honestly think that will make to our team expenditure going forward. I mean a difference that puts us closer to the other big five clubs?

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Well firstly. I think it’s 4 clubs. We are already in the realms of the gooners.

Discounting where we feel the money may go for a second, the simple maths would be that we have doubled capacity (roughly) on matchdays compared to WHL whilst increasing prices, particularly for some of the corporate stuff. So you are more than doubling weekly revenue across 19 PL games plus cup and europe. That will be a substantial figure.

We also can now host other events including NFL, Concerts, Boxing etc. which WHL would never have been considered for.

Finally, the stadium makes Tottenham a more attractive prospect to potential sponsors. If you’re mastercard, do you want your logo at Carrow Road or our new digs? Do you want to wine and dine your biggest clients at Turf Moore or a £1bn leisure palace.

It is silly to say that these things won’t increase our revenue substantially. We are looking at ticket sale revenue at around £4m per game. How much is a sponsorship for a corporate client or company? Who knows but it will be vast sums!

The only weakness in the argument is where those funds are directed.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

I think growing older with Tottenham gonna be a pleasure. I see happy times a head I really do. Please don’t shoot me for it. Thanks

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Its gonna make a massive difference to our expenditure (in my opinion) we’ve been up there without spending. We’re in with a much better chance (in my opinion) dem clubs better watch out (in my opinion). TOTTENHAM COME FE CONQUER. I know you can picture and see what we’ve been like for the last how many ever years. Can’t you see what we’ll look like in the next 5 to 10 year’s. I can. I see glory a head. But hey that’s just me

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Love your enthusiasm Tappa. I’m keeping optimistic about the years ahead.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

I can guarantee the next 20 years gonna be a hell of a lot more fruitful the last 20 (won’t be difficult) we’ve been through the worst now I believe. Good times a head.

mikeyhughes
mikeyhughes
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Lovely optimism Tappa but tbf you’ve been spouting this stuff for many a year with no resulting upsurge in our fortunes, just the complete opposite in fact – we’re in a downward spiral.
As for Dan quoting our net spend over just the last 2 years that is entirely a red herring as we’ve been spending zilch net spend for around 18 years, including being the only club no to spend a penny over two consecutive transfer windows, so I would say Dan is cherry picking his facts.
The stadium won’t make the slightest difference to our spending with Levy constantly interfering in our transfer policy, he’ll always go for the Gedson Fernandez over the Bruno Fernandez, it’s in his DNA.
The stadia and training ground were built to enhance the value of enic’s portfolio more than anything else, oh and to increase ticket sales via extra footfall into the ground.

Levy won’t suddenly start splashing the cash on top players overnight. He doesn’t operate like that. He will still play the same old Russian roulette where he wastes million staking punts on trying to find the next Eriksen. When he does he’ll likely not pay him enough and lose him too!
Same old same old, get used to it because it ain’t changing – leopards don’t change their spots. The new Lane is a money making facility just like a theme park, that’s all.

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  mikeyhughes

Wasn’t cherry picking Mikey. Was comparing the last two seasons with Chelsea in a debate with East Stand.

Well aware of our previous seasons spends and wasn’t making a point that we spend money so everything is rosy. Purely a net spend comparison.

The whole red herring argument was purely pandemic related not transfer spend related.

Last edited 6 months ago by danbram1
Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  mikeyhughes

Spouting off for many a year? We’ve only just moved in. They say its not good to try to deter a man from his faith (even the Jehovah witnesses) why you trying to deter me from my faith in tottenham? Allow me to believe please. I know for a fact that there is such thing as Tottenham. Heaven and hell is a different matter🌚

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Why do you want to be right? Why do you want the stadium to flop?

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

I don’t want the stadium to ‘flop’ at all, I’m just not going to accept sums that don’t add up.

The stadium itself is a really great facility, but it never will alone provide the means for these owners to spend on the team to the levels that our rivals do. I’m only going on how far we have to jump on team expenditure to compete. The stadium alone will not provide that.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

I believe it will. That’s just my opinion and the many people I talk to’s who know a damn sight more than I do

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Tappaspur

Do they have any mates working at the Emptycrates with which to compare notes? 🤔

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

The two can’t be compared. Arsenal will never be able to make money like Tottenham. Ever. Forever in our financial shadow

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

It is a red herring, my point being that it has affected all clubs including the ones we compete directly with equally, so how can it be anything other than a red herring?

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

But your point was it’s a red herring because Chelsea went and spent ridiculous sums compared to everyone else, but I’ve shown you that wasn’t the case and that our net spend was actually far far greater.

If City, Chelsea, Utd and Liverpool all go out in the summer and spend a ton of money with comparatively low player sales then fair enough, I’ll agree.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

It didn’t stop them spending, it was business as usual. That’s my point.

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

What didn’t stop them spending? The Pandemic? I guarantee this summer will be different. You won’t see mega deals going on at all.

Aside from Chelsea and us (and we’ve covered the simple maths of net spend), who spent mega money last summer?

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

You Mean last summer with PEH for 15m, Reggie, Doherty and the Bale loan window? We didn’t spend ‘mega’ anything did we?

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

According to transfermarkt we spent £99m, higher net spend than Chelsea so you tell me?

I’ve already said above, you can debate about the players that were bought but the financial facts are there.

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan

The LoCelso and Tangy deals I suspect, however if you spread that spend over then last 5 years you will find wit will be among the lower in the league, We signed nobody for 12 months before that summer. Go figure..

Dan
Dan
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

I’m not arguing about the years prior because it’s clear we didn’t do enough, to not make any kind of signing in a 12 month period is almost criminal. We stood still where others improved.

But the last two years we have shown intent. Again, we can argue about the names that were brought in the positions that they play in. But money has been spent. Hopefully that continues.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Obviously we were cautious due to the times uncertainties. I honestly believe were it not for the no money coming in thing we’d of spent better. In my opinion

Big Mal
Big Mal
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

Is that a serious question? You might want to google Abramovich

East Stand
East Stand
6 months ago
Reply to  Big Mal

Business as usual, is my point.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  East Stand

For now. In my opinion

mikeyhughes
mikeyhughes
6 months ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

It’s the classic catch 22 scenario. My answer is to devote much of my time to another club that is “normal” and plays entertaining football, yet ambitions are not too high. Works wonders for my mojo.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
6 months ago
Reply to  mikeyhughes

We’ll swagger balling again soon.

James McKevitt
James McKevitt
6 months ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

With a whimper.

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