Our boy Levy spoke with the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust.
What we learned confirms a number of points that have been occasionally contested by Levyologists.
Realism was also needed that other clubs sell more shirts than THFC, which has an impact on the fee.
THST
This is particularly chilling.
Spurs get a comparatively mediocre deal compared with other so called big Premier League sides.
Hopefully a small penny is dropping with some of the hardcore loons who still fail/refuse to understand the correlation between winning trophies and money.
Success breeds success.
This summer, Spurs will troop off to some fabulous place in Asia with the aim of securing some ‘market penetration’.
The reality is, people who’ve yet to pick side – tend to opt for ones that win stuff – because that is the metric. It’s like when you’re in a the bookies. You look for the animals that are going to win.
There was also some reassurance about transfer spending.
Given our transfer spending wouldn’t be affected by nuclear war, I have nothing constructive to add.
Not the best.
No fanfares that’s for sure.
Given all the spin we’ve had to endure thus far, I too am not wholly convinced that we’ll get to play in the new stadium this season (frankly, I’ll believe it when I see it!) though, as I’ve stated below, with feelings the way they are among the more prescient and, hopefully, growing band of such supporters, a less high profile late season, midweek game may suit old baldy better than a grand season opening affair in August.
I agree with you! I think the CL should only have been a means to an end. What is the point in the money and the prestige if you do nothing with it.
Yes. In short which serious sponsor would invest in a football club where the owners use the money to pay interest on a huge debt and trouser some of the cash. Don’t buy players. Win fak all but bang out some top cheese and wine. Answers on a post card please.
Agree with these comments.
If ever there was a diving cheating hair pulling injury feigning league that needed VAR….
Alas, that’s probably not such a far fetched suggestion!
Scholar bought the club to the edge of bankruptcy
I essentially agree with you that the chief markets to be had are Asia and Africa and not places like Solihull. I was simply making the point that Spurs don’t have the charisma outside of North London they once had and if they want to break into these developing markets they need to start winning some trophies. Pronto!
With all due respects to Solihull, and the rest of the UK, I don’t think that is the market. Most English people already have a club, or a family link to one. European fans are a little of an option, they have a local club but enjoy the PL, however the main market is Asia and Africa. The US markets are growing rather local, or if they have a European preference, they are pretty set right now. The only trophies that you will attract followers in Asia/Africa is the CL or the PL.
I’m aware the board of the 60’s was indeed known for being tight, but at least they went and bought talent for the paying fans breaking transfer records several times. Now we have a chairman who pays himself more than any other and is using fans money in a scheme to enrich himself.
At least Scholar didn’t demolish our home….and he Brought us Gazza. This lot are a new breed of parasite.
Don’t tempt fate. We’ll sign Pele as an ambassador.
Yes, not long ago there was multiple things to be cleared, now suddenly its open for Palace….?
Some good points here like the extra money you have to pump in for little financial reward to move up from Top Four to Title winners. But as has been pointed out, winning titles and CLs attracts more fans and then you sell more merchandise. Not too many Spurs fans around here (Solihull area) or in other parts of the country compared with the past because in the modern era we’re an irrelevance when it comes to winning trophies. A glory hunter will latch onto United and Liverpool, and to some extent, Arsenal, and more recently Chelsea and City because these are the clubs (and though seemingly in a dry spell, Arsenal have won a few FA Cups nevertheless in recent seasons) that tend to win the prizes. We’re nailed on as a club that’ll probably win a trophy (most likely a League Cup) about every ten years and never a league title or CL in all likelihood. In short, we’re not that attractive a proposition for new fans to the sport.
Since 2008, approx £500m of our income has been spent on the stadium rather than the team.
So the stadium won’t affect transfers…ANY MORE THAN it already has because we operate a zero net spend policy.
When is this future…for me it was always the regular CL spots so we could then buy better players, and win more – yet getting to the CL seems to be the 1 and only goal.
League positions aren’t worth much money.
Being in the Champions League – is money that the fans never see.
So who is Julio Cesar Torres?
I’ve worked out why Argie fans kill each other. The teams are so shit you’d end up killing each other. 10 teams playing at the moment. 2 goals after 85 mins.
My God, we’ve had some poor directors and chairmen at this club. Even in the Billy Nich days, he had to tackle the board re their reputation for tight fistedness (Nicholson had asked a fellow manager after a game at The Lane whether he was coming for a drink in The Blue Room (?), only to be told “not likely, they’re too mean for my taste”). And prior to Bill, Spurs hadn’t had much tangible success through the years though often a very wealthy club – one book I’ve read said they were probably the richest club in the country in the fifties and they had some surprisingly good attendances in the thirties, even when in the second division. A well supported club, though between the wars it’s also perhaps a reflection that London didn’t suffer so much from the depression as other parts of the country.
My key issue with Enic is they think tottenham didn’t exist pre 2001. The fact that bald twat should understand is that our best days were pre enic and in black and white. If you read the spurs website they skip through the double years and the 80’s and devote large swathes to years when we bought John scales
It makes you think there must be Premier League regulations that preclude clubs from playing so close to the end of the season at a new stadium.I’ve always maintained they would not get into the new ground before next season.
Have these test events taken place yet?And what about getting all the certificates signed off.With all the distrust between ENIC and Harringay council I can’t believe they would be in a hurry to appease our owners,particularly knowing that the lives of the local people will be clearly impacted.
Should the game against Palace actually go ahead,they will really be up for causing an embarrassing upset.Plus we have no way of knowing how well the players will settle into the new place.Big mistake I feel.
I too read the notes from the Thst meeting. Clearly they don’t want to rock the boat or levy will just shut down discussion.
Clearly there is no remorse for the way they have fucked the st holders this season and none for the stadium disaster for which the fans, not levy, will pay dearly.
Worst of all was the thoughts of how to run a football club according to mr byright. He and Scholar are the worst things ever to have happened to this club. The fan base deserve so much better
Why the hell Levy’s crowbarring into the new bowl in April I don’t know…and how he’s got away with playing at 3 different venues in 1 season? I won’t be convinced itl be this season until a referees whistle blows in the place. At this stage I give even less than a fuck.
Didn’t I read somewhere that NFL shirt sales have already outsold our football shirts this season.Way to go.This is our future,the football club piggybacking on an NFL team.Thanks baldy.
So, Daniel says our debt won’t affect our transfers. Of course it won’t. Our transfers are dependent on hocking the family jewels and replacing them with something that looks similar but doesn’t have the same quality. Sell before we buy, so no change. How reassuring. Apparently most people don’t like change, it’s too scary. That should keep the performing seals happy.
If North Korea ever needs another president, they couldn’t do worse than Doo Won Dan. They’ve never had it so good. Don’t mention the Cheese Room.
Oh, the austerity.
Apparently Levy has decided to freeze the season ticket prices for next season as a thank you for the fans’ understanding of the shopping mall fiasco.So still the most expensive then.
From the pictures of it that I’ve seen, our new stadium doesn’t look particularly distinguished on the outside; rather a shame considering the amount of money that has been spent on it.
I suspect, too, that Levi quite happy after all the problems with the stadium to have a relatively low profile late season, midweek game, to launch it; a high profile beginning of season opening and a greater chance of some booing and catcalls. Very embarrassing.
What are the chances that Palace, who can be party poopers, launch our new stadium by lowering our colours and we then follow that up by going down, too, against City? Let’s hope for the best!
Messi to Spurs and all is forgiven?
So to buy tickets to a reduced capacity game has today taken over 2 hours online.You would think £637m worth of debt would run to a website ticketing system fit for purpose?every high profile game produces the same website queuing crash & telephone engaged tone.If you couldn’t deal with 32000 what are the chances of dealing with 62000? Still penny pinching Danny boy
I agree 100% you need to win things!! You said on your other blog about the 99 Worthington cup about we are no better off than the dark days of the 90s because what is the metric. The issue is that people will argue that league position wise, we are better than just about every decade on average…THE ISSUE with this is…league position isn’t and should never be the bench mark for success. The target should NOT be top 4 anymore. The reason that was the target was to get the lucrative and prestigious CL appearances and games. They are only of value if you use said money and prestige to improve to then kick on and win things. We have sadly fallen into that space that Arsenal where in for close to 10yrs…the top 4 trophy side. Levy knows that top 4 is worth more than winning the PL in terms of NET prize money (what I mean by that is the spend it takes to reach top 4 is less than the additional spend required to win the league…it takes say £50m spend to reach top 4 and get access to £75m…it then takes a further £100m to win what is basically an additional £10m). What Levy fails to see though is this is not like building a house, where adding a loft conversion can cost X and gain you Y, and you just need to make sure Y does not take you over the value of the area…Football can sometimes bring intangible gains…as you say, winning stuff increases popularity, which in turn increases shirt sales..which in turn increases sponsorship revenue.
Sorry for long post, but I am starting to get really wound up by various people (whom I work with, not on here) telling such cobblers like “mathematically we could still win the league” and “we are building for the future” and “we don’t want to do a leeds…” Leeds happened before clubs got £200m a season simply for partaking in the 38 games due to TV revenue – to do “a leeds” we would need to throw money into the streets and jack in playing.
So our debt won’t affect our transfer business; in otherwords, it’ll remain at practically zero then! Good stuff.
Is Poch really expected to stick with our loser owners for much longer? The more time goes on the more disenchanted he will become and eventually jump ship. Who could blame him?
Levy is small-time and his obsession with small change means we are going nowhere under him…
I’ll roughly paraphrase what this fella says in a football origins vid I’m watching. Its right on the button and something clearly Levy and Lewis don’t feel is important.
‘The ground in many ways means more to fans than the team and players. Players come and go but the ground is the constant, its the church, its the spiritual home, that rectangle of turf to which we all pay homage on a regular basis’
Transfer budget….. Didn’t know we had one…. Tell me more about that ….
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/18/carlos-santana-fortnite-philadelphia-phillies-baseball-mlb
Not about us but does illustrate a broader picture about sports these days. Regular poster rightfully called out chealse, players revolt because apparently they aren’t payed enough to care. They are payed plenty. But what’s lacking is passion. A veteran MLB player properly takes a bat to smash a TV cause the youngster’s are playing a a video game instead of supporting the team that pays their wages during a rival game………if they dont care why should we
It really is that simple. Pay wages to win things – buy players to win things – win trophies to win fans. Outside of our blind devotion we are a laughing stock
Still Pooch has been very successful in managing a three week break at the business end of the season and his £8.5 million a year as well. The mark of a winner !
Transfer budget….. Didn’t know we had one…. Tell me more about that ….
Agree with these comments.
I agree with you! I think the CL should only have been a means to an end. What is the point in the money and the prestige if you do nothing with it.
League positions aren’t worth much money.
Being in the Champions League – is money that the fans never see.
Is Poch really expected to stick with our loser owners for much longer? The more time goes on the more disenchanted he will become and eventually jump ship. Who could blame him?
Levy is small-time and his obsession with small change means we are going nowhere under him…
Still Pooch has been very successful in managing a three week break at the business end of the season and his £8.5 million a year as well. The mark of a winner !
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/18/carlos-santana-fortnite-philadelphia-phillies-baseball-mlb
Not about us but does illustrate a broader picture about sports these days. Regular poster rightfully called out chealse, players revolt because apparently they aren’t payed enough to care. They are payed plenty. But what’s lacking is passion. A veteran MLB player properly takes a bat to smash a TV cause the youngster’s are playing a a video game instead of supporting the team that pays their wages during a rival game………if they dont care why should we
If ever there was a diving cheating hair pulling injury feigning league that needed VAR….
Yes. In short which serious sponsor would invest in a football club where the owners use the money to pay interest on a huge debt and trouser some of the cash. Don’t buy players. Win fak all but bang out some top cheese and wine. Answers on a post card please.
It really is that simple. Pay wages to win things – buy players to win things – win trophies to win fans. Outside of our blind devotion we are a laughing stock
So who is Julio Cesar Torres?
I’ve worked out why Argie fans kill each other. The teams are so shit you’d end up killing each other. 10 teams playing at the moment. 2 goals after 85 mins.
My key issue with Enic is they think tottenham didn’t exist pre 2001. The fact that bald twat should understand is that our best days were pre enic and in black and white. If you read the spurs website they skip through the double years and the 80’s and devote large swathes to years when we bought John scales
Not the best.
No fanfares that’s for sure.
Yes, not long ago there was multiple things to be cleared, now suddenly its open for Palace….?
I’ll roughly paraphrase what this fella says in a football origins vid I’m watching. Its right on the button and something clearly Levy and Lewis don’t feel is important.
‘The ground in many ways means more to fans than the team and players. Players come and go but the ground is the constant, its the church, its the spiritual home, that rectangle of turf to which we all pay homage on a regular basis’
It makes you think there must be Premier League regulations that preclude clubs from playing so close to the end of the season at a new stadium.I’ve always maintained they would not get into the new ground before next season.
Have these test events taken place yet?And what about getting all the certificates signed off.With all the distrust between ENIC and Harringay council I can’t believe they would be in a hurry to appease our owners,particularly knowing that the lives of the local people will be clearly impacted.
Should the game against Palace actually go ahead,they will really be up for causing an embarrassing upset.Plus we have no way of knowing how well the players will settle into the new place.Big mistake I feel.
I’m aware the board of the 60’s was indeed known for being tight, but at least they went and bought talent for the paying fans breaking transfer records several times. Now we have a chairman who pays himself more than any other and is using fans money in a scheme to enrich himself.
Scholar bought the club to the edge of bankruptcy
Alas, that’s probably not such a far fetched suggestion!
My God, we’ve had some poor directors and chairmen at this club. Even in the Billy Nich days, he had to tackle the board re their reputation for tight fistedness (Nicholson had asked a fellow manager after a game at The Lane whether he was coming for a drink in The Blue Room (?), only to be told “not likely, they’re too mean for my taste”). And prior to Bill, Spurs hadn’t had much tangible success through the years though often a very wealthy club – one book I’ve read said they were probably the richest club in the country in the fifties and they had some surprisingly good attendances in the thirties, even when in the second division. A well supported club, though between the wars it’s also perhaps a reflection that London didn’t suffer so much from the depression as other parts of the country.
Given all the spin we’ve had to endure thus far, I too am not wholly convinced that we’ll get to play in the new stadium this season (frankly, I’ll believe it when I see it!) though, as I’ve stated below, with feelings the way they are among the more prescient and, hopefully, growing band of such supporters, a less high profile late season, midweek game may suit old baldy better than a grand season opening affair in August.
So to buy tickets to a reduced capacity game has today taken over 2 hours online.You would think £637m worth of debt would run to a website ticketing system fit for purpose?every high profile game produces the same website queuing crash & telephone engaged tone.If you couldn’t deal with 32000 what are the chances of dealing with 62000? Still penny pinching Danny boy
Why the hell Levy’s crowbarring into the new bowl in April I don’t know…and how he’s got away with playing at 3 different venues in 1 season? I won’t be convinced itl be this season until a referees whistle blows in the place. At this stage I give even less than a fuck.
At least Scholar didn’t demolish our home….and he Brought us Gazza. This lot are a new breed of parasite.
I essentially agree with you that the chief markets to be had are Asia and Africa and not places like Solihull. I was simply making the point that Spurs don’t have the charisma outside of North London they once had and if they want to break into these developing markets they need to start winning some trophies. Pronto!
From the pictures of it that I’ve seen, our new stadium doesn’t look particularly distinguished on the outside; rather a shame considering the amount of money that has been spent on it.
I suspect, too, that Levi quite happy after all the problems with the stadium to have a relatively low profile late season, midweek game, to launch it; a high profile beginning of season opening and a greater chance of some booing and catcalls. Very embarrassing.
What are the chances that Palace, who can be party poopers, launch our new stadium by lowering our colours and we then follow that up by going down, too, against City? Let’s hope for the best!
With all due respects to Solihull, and the rest of the UK, I don’t think that is the market. Most English people already have a club, or a family link to one. European fans are a little of an option, they have a local club but enjoy the PL, however the main market is Asia and Africa. The US markets are growing rather local, or if they have a European preference, they are pretty set right now. The only trophies that you will attract followers in Asia/Africa is the CL or the PL.
I too read the notes from the Thst meeting. Clearly they don’t want to rock the boat or levy will just shut down discussion.
Clearly there is no remorse for the way they have fucked the st holders this season and none for the stadium disaster for which the fans, not levy, will pay dearly.
Worst of all was the thoughts of how to run a football club according to mr byright. He and Scholar are the worst things ever to have happened to this club. The fan base deserve so much better
Apparently Levy has decided to freeze the season ticket prices for next season as a thank you for the fans’ understanding of the shopping mall fiasco.So still the most expensive then.
Some good points here like the extra money you have to pump in for little financial reward to move up from Top Four to Title winners. But as has been pointed out, winning titles and CLs attracts more fans and then you sell more merchandise. Not too many Spurs fans around here (Solihull area) or in other parts of the country compared with the past because in the modern era we’re an irrelevance when it comes to winning trophies. A glory hunter will latch onto United and Liverpool, and to some extent, Arsenal, and more recently Chelsea and City because these are the clubs (and though seemingly in a dry spell, Arsenal have won a few FA Cups nevertheless in recent seasons) that tend to win the prizes. We’re nailed on as a club that’ll probably win a trophy (most likely a League Cup) about every ten years and never a league title or CL in all likelihood. In short, we’re not that attractive a proposition for new fans to the sport.
Since 2008, approx £500m of our income has been spent on the stadium rather than the team.
So the stadium won’t affect transfers…ANY MORE THAN it already has because we operate a zero net spend policy.
So our debt won’t affect our transfer business; in otherwords, it’ll remain at practically zero then! Good stuff.
So, Daniel says our debt won’t affect our transfers. Of course it won’t. Our transfers are dependent on hocking the family jewels and replacing them with something that looks similar but doesn’t have the same quality. Sell before we buy, so no change. How reassuring. Apparently most people don’t like change, it’s too scary. That should keep the performing seals happy.
If North Korea ever needs another president, they couldn’t do worse than Doo Won Dan. They’ve never had it so good. Don’t mention the Cheese Room.
Oh, the austerity.
Didn’t I read somewhere that NFL shirt sales have already outsold our football shirts this season.Way to go.This is our future,the football club piggybacking on an NFL team.Thanks baldy.
When is this future…for me it was always the regular CL spots so we could then buy better players, and win more – yet getting to the CL seems to be the 1 and only goal.
I agree 100% you need to win things!! You said on your other blog about the 99 Worthington cup about we are no better off than the dark days of the 90s because what is the metric. The issue is that people will argue that league position wise, we are better than just about every decade on average…THE ISSUE with this is…league position isn’t and should never be the bench mark for success. The target should NOT be top 4 anymore. The reason that was the target was to get the lucrative and prestigious CL appearances and games. They are only of value if you use said money and prestige to improve to then kick on and win things. We have sadly fallen into that space that Arsenal where in for close to 10yrs…the top 4 trophy side. Levy knows that top 4 is worth more than winning the PL in terms of NET prize money (what I mean by that is the spend it takes to reach top 4 is less than the additional spend required to win the league…it takes say £50m spend to reach top 4 and get access to £75m…it then takes a further £100m to win what is basically an additional £10m). What Levy fails to see though is this is not like building a house, where adding a loft conversion can cost X and gain you Y, and you just need to make sure Y does not take you over the value of the area…Football can sometimes bring intangible gains…as you say, winning stuff increases popularity, which in turn increases shirt sales..which in turn increases sponsorship revenue.
Sorry for long post, but I am starting to get really wound up by various people (whom I work with, not on here) telling such cobblers like “mathematically we could still win the league” and “we are building for the future” and “we don’t want to do a leeds…” Leeds happened before clubs got £200m a season simply for partaking in the 38 games due to TV revenue – to do “a leeds” we would need to throw money into the streets and jack in playing.
Don’t tempt fate. We’ll sign Pele as an ambassador.
Messi to Spurs and all is forgiven?