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Last Night Was Son’s Worst Attacking Performance in 7 Months

A footballer’s form is temporary, but class is permanent, so the saying goes. Son Heung-Min must have those words on a loop in his mind, at this stage.

Not since the loss away at Burnley on February 23, last season has the South Korean managed to deliver an xG (expected goal) ratio of zero. Last night, Sonny not just failed to score, or threaten to score, but the 30-year-old also failed to register an assist or any class of shot assist or cross.

Furthermore, there were no successful dribbles and just the one touch in the West Ham penalty area.

It’s difficult to identify with any degree of certainty what the issue is, but the evidence shows us that Son isn’t even close to firing on all cylinders. It is also worth highlighting the fury with which Sonny reacted to being subbed against Wolves.

The good news is that it would be difficult for Son Heung-Min to get much worse. The only way is up.

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CowSpurs
CowSpurs
2 years ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

To me that only makes sense if Torres does come to us in January or next Summer, as though we are doing Villareal a favour. We brought in Lenglet very early, if Torres had come after we would have had more defenders than we could shake a stick at!

at large
at large
2 years ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

We would have more revenue if we spent more.

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
2 years ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

He’ll bent on Top 4 with a coach used to bringing in players for the now is a massive restriction on developing youngsters..we hire the coaches but cannot/ will not provide the players for the immediate job…bar Charlie and Peresic .
Hitchenaride is history..Paratici’s /Levy’s remit seems very different to that of Conte.

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
2 years ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

How many did we bring on on loan ? We couldn’t do a deal for Pao Torres somLoCeso went on loan..simples

East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago

He’s gone through the same process as every manager under Levy. The process of being let down and spun a yarn. Levy setting the scene for Conte’s exit, complete with a non-disclosure clause. it was always going to happen because it always does.

Hate to say, some of us told you so…

East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

Only a few million more than the league’s current bottom club and 150m less than the current champions. 👍

East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

Thanks for clearing that up CowSpurs, facts and figures finally…

East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago
Reply to  CowSpurs

You only need to search the internet. Apparently…

Archibald&Crooks (SC)
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
2 years ago

Had to jump quickly in here.
Bloody hell what has happened to happy Antonio?
Just seen his pre Fulham presser and he looks like he doesnt want to be here any more

Eddie
Eddie
2 years ago

Because? Some injury no one else knows anything about? Your direct line to conte’s team that tells you clement has already shagged Antonio’s missus?

Eddie
Eddie
2 years ago
Reply to  The Boy

I’m touched H. He will. It won’t be enough to win anything but it will feel very very good when lenglet/son punish teams like city, pool and arse that come on to us too much. How we get into strategic teams with a 2 man midfield and poor WB’s (Perisic excluded) I feel less enthusiastic about.

CowSpurs
CowSpurs
2 years ago
Reply to  Paddio

Lets not forget Hitchen did recruit the players. I think we all know Levy has no idea what he’s doing, and if Hitchen had reins put on him, then he deserves all the criticism for not walking away. Paul Mitchell obviously upset Levy, but it appears Hitchen was quite happy to accept his pay cheque.

I cannot abide Levy, but his lapdog deserves immense criticism. Hitchen still picked ineffective players. Clubs like Brighton and Southampton seem to recruit far better players than the punts Hitchen recruited and at far cheaper prices.

CowSpurs
CowSpurs
2 years ago
Reply to  East Stand.

The top 4 spend £100m+ more than us on wages every year hence why they get better players. Arsenal still spend £40m a year more and we are only slightly ahead of Leicester.

In terms of revenue (without transfers) we are 5th (£359m), ahead of Arsenal (£325m). The top 4 are way ahead. Chelsea in 4th received £436m in revenue, then Liverpool (£487m), Utd (£494m) without any Ch Lg and top revenue earners were City (£571m).

CowSpurs
CowSpurs
2 years ago

The most recent Deloitte football report has us as 6th highest wage bill for 2021. City are the highest payers (£354m), followed by Chelsea (£334m), Man Utd (£322m), Liverpool (£314m), Arsenal (£244) and then us (£205m). Leicester are 7th (£192m)

CowSpurs
CowSpurs
2 years ago

Lo Celso still has value. I am surprised no one bought him, he definitely showed enough in the Ch Lg for someone to buy him. Did Levy want more than teams were prepared to pay?

I think the problem was we couldn’t buy him again! We bought Ndom on his one performance v Man City, but if the message goes out you can get Lo Celso on loan why would you buy?

Ndom is staying with us until his very last £200k a week pay cheque is cleared or until we can afford to pay him off.

East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago
Reply to  mike

Yeah but… what about the war-chest and Levy finally backing the manager? Oh never mind, back to the default Spurs fan mode of; “it’s amazing, we actually signed some footballers” regardless of how average they might be… 😂

East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago
Reply to  The Boy

Outstanding league CV, his European record doesn’t look particularly inspiring however.

Last edited 2 years ago by Easty
East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

An ‘excellent’ transfer window compared to all the terrible ones we’ve endured? I’d say even that’s pushing it, for the simple reason that our first eleven hasn’t been improved to any real degree. Perisic is an upgrade on Sessingnon and Bissouma might make his way in at some point. Other than that we are no better than last season, granted our depth has improved in a few areas but Royal and Doherty man the right wingback role, Dier & Davies are our first choices in defence. We also are without a playmaker in midfield, Winks, Belly att still hanging about. Paraciti Is an ENIC stooge and a fraud…

Be honest, if you’d have known that before this summer would you have been calling it an ‘excellent’ window? 🤔

Last edited 2 years ago by Easty
East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago

You put a list of names but no figures, what’s the difference between our wages and the others? Honestly, even if that list is correct what do you think the disparity is between us and city who are next above? Significant I would wager. That would tell the whole story, so why not put figures there too? I haven’t said anybody spends “10 times” more in wages, At no point have I said that, although Manchester United probably do.

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Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
2 years ago
Reply to  East Stand.
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
2 years ago
Reply to  East Stand.

I was referring to transfer fee numbers…

Where on earth are you pulling those figures from regarding wages? You are way off…. This is the 22/23 season.. Your figures are 4 or 5 years ago or longer.

We have 27 players in our squad, same as Arsenal, and we pay 4 million more than them.. We pay 98 million.. They pay 94 million..
If we paid 80 million less a year then that would mean we pay just 14 million a year. This just covers Ndombellys wages alone… Our whole squad we pay more than Arsenal, not less.

Wages ranked right now are :
1 Manure
2 Chavski
3 Bindippers
4 Citizens
5 The mighty glorious Tottenham Hotspur
6 The other lot who you kept telling me last season had a better squad. Now you’re saying they spend nearly ten times more in wages..

Look stuff up, make sure your facts are correct before you rant paragraphsof nonsense.. You have the internet so there’s no excuse.

East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago

When you say expenditure on players, are you referring to wages as well? Because typically our wage structure is about seventh highest in the league. On average we spend about 300 million less a year on wages than Manchester United, and about 80 million a year less than Arsenal. Wages seem to be the biggest indicator of spending levels, transfer fees are complex and can be paid over many years over instalments, and the figures quoted are rarely the actual expenditure at the time.

This was meant to be a transfer window of real intent, and it hasn’t been no matter how people try to dress it up. We have done the bare minimum in order to have a squad capable of playing three games a week. I think top four will be a struggle, although Conte is an excellent league manager, even if he struggles in the Champions League.As usual we are treading water and standing still, just as we always do under Mr Levy…

Last edited 2 years ago by Easty
East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago
Reply to  mike

So with the extra games we got this season in the Champions League we are basically standing still not improving?

Archibald&Crooks (SC)
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
2 years ago

Anyway this one is about Son so we will see.
Not just Conte but all of them seem loathe to rotate they like to stick with the tried and trusted. What good is Emerson at RWB but will he rest him for Spence?
Richarlison for Son? We will see.

Archibald&Crooks (SC)
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
2 years ago

The list of loan players makes a true fan weep.
The thought of Lo Value & Ndonkey rocking up next Summer but it doesnt end there just check the list out for yourselves.

Archibald&Crooks (SC)
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
2 years ago
Reply to  East Stand.

pah
who needs more creative players we have got……………….

mike
mike
2 years ago
Reply to  Paddio

I live in hope 😉

Paddio
Paddio
2 years ago
Reply to  mike

Have you not heard, Levy doesn’t like the January window.

Paddio
Paddio
2 years ago

I can’t not feel disappointed with this window.
The sense of opportunity feels wasted, even though I had doubts we would make as many signings as we did at the start.
The numbers will be used to paint a story, but some factors mitigate some of these and feel a little like manipulation from the club (Levy) rather than what was happening.
The Cuti deal was agreed in essence, it was a 6-year deal that had a loan up front just to protect if he tanked. But it shifts the payment from an accounting perspective. We will see Kulu’s deal do something similar.
Plus remember that headline costs are not actual and should be offset by relative success from player recruitment.
These put a damper on what started with Enic saying they were freeing up cash at the start of the window for the 150 million, this was and should have been additional sales to give us a bump up. (Key is Enic make money on how this was generated).
Its also only fair to say that Levy always allows the reinvestment of player sales into recruitment.
Though this gives us the biggest issue.
We couldn’t get players off our books, we had talent that we couldn’t shift. That is ultimately opportunity missed.
Since January we’ve had players Conte wanted out of the door, and its not happened, they are still our players.
That’s money we choose to not get reinvested in our side.
Now, where that responsibility sits isn’t clear, though I assume all roads lead to Levy, though I’m sure the PR machine will still try to blame Hitchen (remember he was not the organ grinder, ever!).
Incompetence is covered with the veil of prudence.
Something never changes, things look good from a distance but when you get closer….ouch.

mike
mike
2 years ago
Reply to  East Stand.

Firt team has been mildly improved (Perisic), and squad has been largely improved. Roll on the Winter Transfer Window now.

mike
mike
2 years ago
Reply to  Paddio

Agreed… but until he picks up form again Conte could start RIchy and bring on Sonny at 60 minutes as an impact Sub. That’s what competition for places it all about. Sonny is a class player and you don’t drop him after one game… but we’ve had enough matches now to see that it is time to bench him.

mike
mike
2 years ago
Reply to  Paddio

Agreed. It was looking v good at the start of the window… and was just ‘good’ at the end. We got some decent players in, but not for ALL the positions we wanted… plus no Marquee signing near the end (a marquee RWB, CD or creative CM would have kept the transfer window as ‘very good’)

mike
mike
2 years ago

I think the tactic here is to lure the opposition side high… so that a break/transition leaves them exposed for a good counter-attack. I am okay with that… but when they are in training the Spurs have to simulate much tougher opposition who are going to do everything to pinch that ball near Lloris. If Spurs become uber-experts at sucking the opposition in without losing the ball… then the we’ll do well. At the moment… we seem to have ‘dropped the ball’ (pun intended) on this tactic.

mike
mike
2 years ago
Reply to  Joe

Agree with this. Son will come good again… until then bring him on at 60 minutes and let Richy start… that’s what Richy is for.

Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
Steve 'Killer Cushion' Williams
2 years ago

We managed fine.. I really don’t understand peoples despair here…. Net spend we were in the top 6.. And overall expenditure on players we were in top four…
The Chavs have spent just shy of 250 million which is Abromovich style, they blew everyone out the water.. Spam and Forrest spent big..
We spent more than most clubs, including Woolwich.

East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago

Sideways movement for about the last 10 years I would say. Just enough to puncture the top 4 and no more. Just as Daniel likes it.

I told you so, many on here told you so; Conte was never going to be ‘backed’, just like Jose and Poch before him. Mainly jam-tomorrow kids and more second tier dross that don’t automatically get in our first 11. With the exception of 33 year old Perisic.

Despite having a manager who’s been winning big prizes up until the moment he joined us, we refuse to compete in a ruthlessly competitive arena. We are STILL in a situation where unless Kane digs out the odd crucial goal we would sink like a stone.

Levy is like a bad joke…

Last edited 2 years ago by Easty
East Stand.
East Stand.
2 years ago

We aren’t creating enough, we’ve been sussed our and our midfield and wingbacks lack the guile to find a way to change things. It doesn’t look like we’re doing anything else this summer.

Richarlison doesn’t start, Perisic will be used in a way that saves his legs a bit at 33. Bissouma might displace PEH at some point, perhaps. The first team hasn’t been improved and as HH says, if Conte was actually‘Berry Appy’ he’d be starting these incredible signings he ‘wanted’ this summer…

Last edited 2 years ago by Easty
Lilywhite without the II
Lilywhite without the II
2 years ago

So now we have Gil who doesn’t want to be here and will probably get no game time..it wasn’t great incomings, all they’ve done is sent out ones they got wrong with new ones at the same level …we deserve 6th/7th, if you look at the other spending, the stadium hasn’t made a difference, so the only hope we have if Conte over achieves…half the War Chest will go on bricks & mortar…I can’t believe we were ever in for anyone else, it doesn’t add up as every other team managed ok..

Paddio
Paddio
2 years ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

The window was looking good 4 weeks ago, but we’ve a chairman who loves absolutely loves snatching defeat from the jaws of even a potential victory. He’s a proper shyster but we’ve fans who are offering up the lbs of flesh.

Paddio
Paddio
2 years ago

Sonny is always a streaky type of player, he’ll have a run of form as well. But this is why he’s always fallen short of being in that world class bracket

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
2 years ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

It was an excellent transfer window – the problem is that it was only excellent compared to the absolute dross windows we’ve had to endure since before Poch. Nelsen and Saha anybody?

Richarlison and Bissouma (if he eliminates the stupidity) are able to fight for the starting 11. Perisic is an instant upgrade on Reg and Sess. Trouble is that none of the other clubs stood still and most of those around us invested more than we did (granted, some did so while selling well, so the net spend wasn’t that bad).

Arsenal: Jesus, Zinchenko, Vieira (about 110M)
Chelsea: Sterling, Koulibaly, Cucurella, Fofana, Aubameyang and others (about 250M)
Liverpool: Nunez (85M)
City: Phillips, Haaland, Gomez, Akanji (130M)
United: Casemiro, Martinez, Antony, Malacia (185M) + Eriksen on a free
Even Newcastle: Isak, Botman, Targett, Pope (125M)
and West Ham got to about 180M by signing Paqueta, Scamacca and quite a few others.

Nobody is waiting around for us to get our sh-t together. In fact, the competition is getting much tougher every transfer window due to the financial power of PL clubs, and spending as we did this summer may end up being just enough to stand still in the final analysis.

Marbella Spur
Marbella Spur
2 years ago

Perhaps I’m rather thick but I wasn’t sure if you were being ironic or sarcastic but the facts remain that the football we are playing is dire and given Conte’s predilection for for a lack of flexibility in his tactics, I cannot see how things will get much better from here. It is interesting to note despite the plethora of rumours and clickbait, the window is closed for us now. Despite being linked with numerous below par players in recent weeks, we haven’t signed the likes of Dan James, Carrasco, Malinoskyi, Traore et al and we have retained Tanganga, Gil and Moura. What that tells me is that Levy paid lip service to the needs of for once doing some business early in the market to placate Conte and possibly Paratici when in fact, with the possible exceptions of Richarlison and Bissouma, the signings have not been made to reinforce the obviously deficient areas in the team.
So for me a half glass empty type of character, I was almost suckered into thinking, albeit briefly, that we had finally decided to rethink our recruitment policy and join the grown ups club. As always, I should have known better.

bananas
bananas
2 years ago
Reply to  bananas

For example Winks and Bergwijn out, Bentancur and Kulusevski in…
We should be able to get £15m for Winks and so what’s that? £10m net spend on two big upgrades. Aside from that it’s basically the same team! He’s done it with Dier, Sanchez, Davies, Lloris, Hojbjerg, Son and Kane. He didn’t sign Royal or Doherty, and despite Royal not even being his type of wing back he’s getting results with him in the team.

Last edited 2 years ago by bananas
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
2 years ago

Was this one of our worst examples of passing the ball back?
Could have been.

Archibald&Crooks (SC)
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
2 years ago

In response to Marble Spur below
I have heard many times (pre Conte) a very vocal minority who say at games they love Daniel Levy and would much rather spend an evening in bed with him than their current boyfriend/girlfriend.
Well I caught a bit of one of those blogs post match and the boys said all of the away support were complaining about the way we played.
Of course they would, only one team deserved to win that and it wasnt THFC

Not a mention of “700 games played with Sanchez as CB not conceded a goal”
nor “Dier for England” (I thought he was ok at Spam) now then Davies you had a great season but last 2 games you have been poor if only we had brought in a back up.

Finally – substitutes.
Come on Conte wake up it is like you are sending the same out of form players expecting them to play like Citeh. If they are not performing change things up.

bananas
bananas
2 years ago
Reply to  Dino

What does that even mean? Man U just spent more than that on TWO players! Previous managers also spent money. It doesn’t mean anything as buying players is part of the equation, and bringing ones in that result in a good outcome is also laudable.
If the club had sold off unwanted players instead of loaning them then what would the net spend be? We could play this game all night…
Plus MOST of the spending isn’t even part of the first team yet! Kulusevski (who we technically haven’t paid for yet) and Bentancur are the only ones who have been a part of the starting eleven so far, which means his spending doesn’t even really impact the excellent stats he has, which I only mention them as they demolish the numbers Mourinho attained after it was suggested they are the basically the same manager.

Last edited 2 years ago by bananas
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

He will have a long wait then

Dino
Dino
2 years ago

Seems to me that the Kane & son combo is atm broken…one more often than not fails to pass to the other when the other is better placed…

Dino
Dino
2 years ago
Reply to  bananas

How much have spurs spent since Conte arrived? 150 mill?

Charles Crawford
Charles Crawford
2 years ago

For no obvious reason the default mode in midfield once again is to pass backwards lamely to Lloris whose dismal kicking is far beyond redemption. Like Nunoball but even more annoying and pessimistic.

Once we start pressing forward purposefully right from the start, Son will get back in the game. If we want to be Champions, try PLAYING like Champions

bananas
bananas
2 years ago
Reply to  The Boy

Conte or Mourinho? If you mean JM then it’s just a shame he couldn’t deliver the numbers at Spurs, but Conte quite simply is.
Some more stats: Over the last 15 games we are 10-4-1. 2.26ppg which over a season is 86.13pts. Goals scored per game in that time 2.33, conceded 0.6.
Last season – Chelsea A (0pts), West Ham A (0pts), Southampton H (0pts), Wolves H (0pts). This year 8 points from those fixtures. You COULD have Forest as the equivalent of Burnley away too and bung on 3 more if you like (which definitely works if we can win both away games at the other two promoted clubs).

Joe
Joe
2 years ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

Bang on mate

Joe
Joe
2 years ago

He’s not playing well at the moment so why not put him on the bench. Surely that’s why we bought Richy. Sonny is a class player but if he’s not doing it as everyone can see I really don’t see it as a big deal. He might need that to sort himself out. Coys

bananas
bananas
2 years ago

In the video – “Conte ball is Mourinho ball but without your prejudices”.
Mourinho 1.64 points per game (62.32 over a season), 1.67 goals scored per game – 1.16 goals conceded per game.
Conte 2.03 points per game (77.15 over a season), 2.12 goals scored per game – 0.85 goals conceded per game.
Before Conte no Spurs manager has an average goals scored of more than 2, and ALSO no Spurs manager has had a goals conceded of under 1!!
Nobody is necessarily against this style when you score goals, are solid in defence and get points. My Mourinho prejudice was just at the end when we were awful and he was moaning and seemed without a clue what to do.

at large
at large
2 years ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

Trouble ahead
Trouble behind
And you know that notion
Just crossed my mind?

dembeleshapedhole
dembeleshapedhole
2 years ago

Always sad when Sonny isn’t smiling and may hint at a significant underlying problem either personal or with the club. Hopefully not. Sub par performances aside, last night he was on hand to finish if the wham defender hadn’t, was overlooked by kane and kulu when in good a position and he was just a good touch away from getting on the end of Kane’s hooked through ball. He does seem to be trying too hard, attempting the hollywood when the simple will suffice- golden boot hangover as Neil suggests below. Feel like its gonna click for him soon and that he deserves a chance to play into some form. I know any oppo would be happy to see him benched. Just hope he’s ready for his annual torment of citeh

Last edited 2 years ago by dembeleshapedhole
SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
2 years ago

When all three of our forwards are in ‘indifferent to poor’ form we tend to look clueless – Plan B needed but also…we really need at least one of the three in irresistible form.

Abe2
Abe2
2 years ago

Son goes through these patches once or twice every season. Everyone remembers his good performances but quickly forget his poor ones like last night. Before spurs and him went on a run last season he was terrible. Besides the bottom game he was terrible against middlesbrough in the fa cup. I remember talk of him being dropped. Now with richarlison around he no longer an untouchable as conte referred to him.

Eddie
Eddie
2 years ago

Son is waiting for lenglet to come into the team. Have you seen the boy’s over the top passing range from deep? The Rabbi would have scored untold. Son can too. And will.

Neil
Neil
2 years ago

I think last season grabbing the golden boot has gone to his head. I don’t know if he is personally trying to better that, thinking he can score for fun. Now in trying too hard to be world-class, it has clouded his mind, that he is producing these awful displays. He needs to forget about getting the golden boot again and focus on his game. He will come good, but may need to sit on the bench, let Richarlison have some game time, plus the team needs to up the pace as well.

Spursnutd
Spursnutd
2 years ago

I know why jesus didn’t want to come to us but I think he is one of the signings we will regret. He could be a very good replacement for sonny or Harry considering their age. It is early days in the season but not good vibes coming from sonny at the moment.

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
2 years ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

Far from being boosted or challenged by the arrival of Charlie Son seems to have gone into his shell…not sure I’m convinced that he should going deep he is completely ineffective at any defensive process I can think of..why not leave him on the half way line like we used to do with Defoe..stops two opposition defenders camping in our last third for 10 minutes at a time.

Brick Top
Brick Top
2 years ago

He’s best on the counter, but apparently we play like cowards these days. Slow, sideways, no urgency. No wonder he’s miserable.

“That’s lazy. Fast ball…in the space” – Maureen

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
2 years ago

5 games in and he hasn’t had a single good performance. Not sure what the problem is.

Marbella Spur
Marbella Spur
2 years ago

He doesn’t seem to be a very happy bunny at the moment. Whether it’s a result of our current style of football or whether there’s another reason to blame, I have no idea but he has had dips in form before.
Perhaps he doesn’t enjoy Spurs playing walking football which would be understandable. I watched Bissouma who was frankly lamentable last night but I wondered if he was thinking what he had let himself in for. Under Potter, he was playing in a side that played entertaining football, yes, entertaining football which is what most fans want to see. The trouble is that we have been starved of success for so long that many of us are prepared to tolerate the sort of dross we are now playing. We are now starting to hear that the only thing that matters is the result and winning is the only metric.
Well, some fans might take that view but many will be disconsolate with the parlous fare they are currently being served. Yes, we have accumulated points and shown some backbone but I hate to think what will happen when we come up against a really good team. Playing good football and winning are not mutually exclusive clubs.
As for the transfer window, unless several rabbits are plucked out of a magician’s hat tonight, it has ultimately been found wanting. We seem to be scrambling around for a second rate winger. It’s as if the early window promise has evaporated and we are back to Levy time.
I sense trouble ahead.

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