Is Pochettino A Busted Flush?

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Winning a domestic cup is really our best option,because we don’t have the financial muscle to mount a challenge for the PL or CL.
Poch does not want to prioritise our cups it would seem,although the team he put out against Colchester should have been more than good enough to win handily.Yet it was apparent the players didn’t want it enough.
If I recall we would have drawn Crawley in the next round.

Winning a domestic cup is really our best option,because we don’t have the financial muscle to mount a challenge for the PL or CL.
Poch does not want to prioritise our cups it would seem,although the team he put out against Colchester should have been more than good enough to win handily.Yet it was apparent the players didn’t want it enough.
If I recall we would have drawn Crawley in the next round.

I don’t disagree and I think it highlights what a fantastic job that Poch has done for us.

Every single season he has had to deal with negativity behind the scenes and each season he has delivered. To qualify for the Champions League is what everyone wanted on a season by season basis, and I for one never thought i would see Spurs play in the Champions League Final

Yeah we haven’t won an English Cup and don’t seem too bothered to try and win one

Only one team can win the league each season, are we close to Liverpool and Man City, absolutely not, can we compete financially, again no.

We have been better than Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea for a while

With what Poch has available to him and the support from above he is exceeding all expectations.

Again i agree with you, realism is needed, we got hammered the other day, there are problems internally at the moment (as always) and we have had a bad blip. Poch goes, that will not change how the club is run.

Just thinking about the here and now, Eddie. But I agree those Red Bull clubs play fantastic football. I’m sure the model would interest enic as a means of further growing their investment on the cheap.

Good luck with getting even an Easyjet ticket out of Levy hehe.Posh hotel,forget it.

You can hope all you want,but Levy will never countenance the level of investment required to get the squad up to the necessary quality.
That’s not being defeatist that’s being realistic.Sorry Turbo.

Levy. Pay me and my Algerian bredrin hakims expenses we’ll pop over the pond to nice and persuade yousef atel to sign for us. I don’t need a fee just book me into a posh hotel. Easy jet will do.

apparently this is the rule “An owner can still own more than one European club, but if both Udinese and Watford, say, qualify for the Europa League only one can enter. The restrictions are tighter in England, with any individual holding at least 10 per cent of one club not permitted to have more than 9.9 per cent of any other”

F-yes!! kit doesn’t need to change that much. I am not sure they would be allowed to buy us though, isn’t there a limit on clubs that you can have a majority ownership of?

Eriksen really does need to fuck off now, along with Levy…

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Powerful in the wall that was. No one sits down in the south stand. Can’t tell 17.000 people to sit down I suppose. Sit down if you don’t want to see.

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Its been really bad

He only got into the champions league final and finished in the top four again

Barca, Real Madrid, Athletico, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Utd PSG, Bayern, Juventus and every other club in Europe weren’t in the champions league final – to get there was no fluke

There needs to be a little bit of a sense check, football is a hysterical sport, you are winning and over achieving and everyone loses sense of reality, you lose a few and its the end of the World, sack the manager, everyone wants to leave and we are rubbish

Bayern thrashed as. Well and truly. Their finishing was ridiculous as was our defending. It can happen, big teams get walloped sometimes. Personally i much prefer that happen and everyone has a wake up call, an internal investigation, a clear the air and back to basics and rebuild. Whether there is an underlying team spirit issue of wife swapping, or players not wanting to being there, or not being paid enough or thinking that they are better than they are. Whatever, they need to improve and to improve quickly.

He is seriously handicapped every year by the Chairman and the turmoil behind the scenes

We have had wobbles before and then we have gone on fantastic runs, that was previously with a very settled squad

This time he has to contend with Danny Rose not knowing whether he is coming or going, Toby and Jan out of contract, Eriksen out of contract and sulking, Aurier wanting to go and staying. That is the back four and our most creative player. This should have been resolved in the summer

He wanted to get players in early and barring New Dembele had to wait until the last minute as per usual

He has done an amazing job and sure the results and performances have not been great of late, start of this season and end of last.

Its depressing watching, absolutely and the team spirit has definitely died

Maybe you are right and Poch is no good, he goes, the team break up, the chairman does his usual and we end up mid table for the next 10 years

Personally i hope he stays and i hope that the Chairman properly backs him rather than this debacle thats going on at the moment.

NFL community tickets not happening but then again I said that about the CL game. Who wouldn’t wanna go see a sport they’ve never seen live before (on their doorstep) I bet all of you would go with a community ticket and lived in Tottenham. Please use a fluorescent ball.

NFL community tickets not happening but then again I said that about the CL game. Who wouldn’t wanna go see a sport they’ve never seen live before (on their doorstep) I bet all of you would go with a community ticket and lived in Tottenham. Please use a fluorescent ball.

I agree with what you say about Poch,but imagine what he could achieve with the cream of the world’s young talent.He wouldn’t have to relie on the offchance of one of the academy products making the grade.These would be guaranteed quality imports.

He’s been doing the job with one hand tied behind his back imo.

Other managers have been able to tweak their teams to adjust and keep things fresh. Our man has had his best players sold or sold short in contract terms and duds brought in as replacements…..

Yes, he can be frustrating bit how much ch of that is now aimed at the owner and chairman.

I know who I blame. It’s not Poch or the players

As for banging in goals internationaly.. This is our boys usually against piss poor opposition like euro qualifiers etc… Noone at our club has lit up the world and make everyone notice apart from harry kane

Poch has punched well above his weight.. The champions league final run was nothing short of a miracle after two years of neglect.. Standing our own against the likes of real madrid, barca, man city, top clubs who spend hundreds of millions each year improving their squads.. While levy spent nothing… Turning dopes like sissoko into players.. Poch has been miraculous when you look at the overall picture.. He’s a great coach.. One of the worlds best.. Yeah he’s still learning to be a top manager but he will get there… The last thing the spurs faithful want is to turn against the gaffer now… If poch went to manure or madrid tomorrow then it would be disaster… Name one manager who you would want instead, who would do better, and who would want to come to us? Guardiola and mourinho won’t be queuing up mate.. It will be back to the likes of eddie howe and roy hodgson taking interviews

Poch I’ll acknowledge obviously hasn’t been back we all know this , my problem with it all is that he accepted it ! In my eyes he sold himself out and is complicit with fuckface levy .

Thank u H

What I’ve seen a lot of is fans saying he’s worked miracles as if no one else could do what he has done.
Now every international break that comes along we see Kane Son CE Moura etc all bang goals in for their national manager, u see the Belgians do shut out jobs and even chip in with goals , you see the French Captain … Er maybe not.
The point I’m getting at is these players arguably perform as good or better under different regimes and plans.
To say no other manager couldn’t get a tune out of what’s been at Pochs disposal all while the big boys simultaneously collapsed is being overly generous imo.
Of his 6 years in charge I say 2 were good and showed quality the rest have been quite bland and flukey if anything.

ok – just looked! no way our fan base would accept that. Losing our badge, and having to wear red…I know first kit is white, but red shorts. I simply cant see it. I think if they came for us there would be real push back mainly due to history of badge and kit colour. Our Cockeril on the badge is almost 100yrs old and we have been in white for close to 120 years. The other clubs that RB own are not even as old as our kit colour (combined).

Giving good young players their chance used to be poch’s trademark. Too many 1st teamers are now no longer 100% committed to the club. I would like to see poch return to that old boldness and give some hungry young 100%ers their legs, players like Parrott and Tanganga. It would send out the signal that a new beginning really is underway at the Lane.

There’s an interesting article in the Mail today about Red Bull.The have bought a number of football clubs throughout the world and against much opposition have gone on to achieve considerable success.
Their policy of giving good young players the chance is proving very profitable,their scouting system is extensive.Our old friend Paul Mitchell is currently their man in the UK.
People might not like their commercialisation of clubs but they appear to achieve results.Nobody could fail to be impressed by their performance against Liverpoo last night.

Would fans accept the change of image and kit if it meant success on the pitch?

I must say I am very impressed with the eloquent and well reasoned comments on here today.

That’s a long description for something rather simple.

You’ve clearly bought into the media speculation and supposition surrounding Poch’s abilities. It might be nothing to do with the media.

However, you have conveniently not mentioned the key role Levy has in all transfers and contracts and/or it being against the backdrop of one of the lowest net spends in the league and the 7th highest wage bill.

Unless you acknowledge the constraints the manager is working under you aren’t looking at the whole picture.

Poch has been praised for his ability to galvanise and motivate players but now he’s struggling. Is it any wonder with half of them with their futures away from the club?

If he goes to Utd and is backed, he’ll win lots of trophies just wait and see. I’m hoping he doesn’t but why would anyone truly ambitious continue to work under Levy given his track record?

ENIC are the problem, Poch is our best manager since Nicholson and even he wasn’t 100% perfect, no manager ever is. That’s not the real world…

Wow. Wicked grammar. Does your job involve grammar? If I could write like that I wouldn’t have been a welder. Having said that though welding has earned me well.

Is Poch “a busted flush” I am not sure… my biggest issue is he fails to adapt. In games he will not change his plans fast enough if they are not working, in a season he wont change his preferred 11 despite form and sometimes injury, and over the years he has failed to adapt to the change in culture of other clubs to counter act his approach. If you look at the greatest managers, the one thing they had in common was their ability to see what is happening and change their game plan if things go badly…until their team was so good that their Plan A became unstoppable because it was impossible to know what their best approach was. Great managers, the true greats…also knew how to cycle and rebuild teams. Seeing their players start to drop and selling them on or replacing them. For me, the best at this in my lifetime was old red nose. He sold players when most considered them at their peak, and very few left to do better, and those that did, it was because they were improved upon before they were sold anyway (Becks replaced by Ronaldo…Becks went on to do well but Ronaldo did better). this only really changed when he decided to hang up his career. He even got the most out of his team, even in their darkest days, or their most arrogant, you would NEVER have seen a player like CE let them down like he has us, or a team play against someone like we have been doing this season.
Poch is a young manager learning the ropes, he has been at it long enough now where he has hit the hardest thing for a manager, how to cycle a team into the new phase. remove dead wood and recruit. He has his hands tied behind his back by ENIC, but this role is so hard even a manager like Wenger (love him or hate him, he won shit and built a good side)…even Wenger failed to be able to rebuild. Most manager move before they have to.

Already responded to to this.

The only problem with all of this is, sure Poch isn’t at all perfect but he hasn’t been backed.

The team looks stale and disillusioned and if Poch’s powers and miracle making have diminished over the last two seasons it’s because that coincides with two years without a home ground, one signing and FOUR key players almost out of contract.

Busted flush… Daniel Levy has taken the flush and steam rollered it with a 7th highest in the league wage bill, one signing in two years and countless other contractual fuck ups and other financial short sightedness.

He was haggling over trying to get a 2m profit on Wanyama, who truly is a busted flush!

Klopp gets over 250m and Poch gets sod all over the same period, go figure.

The only busted flush is Levynomics…

Busted flush is a strong statement, however what is undeniable is that the team has been slowly going backwards for the past two years, especially defensively. The high point in my opinion was the thrashing in consecutive weeks of Leicester and Hull, at the end of the 2017 season, to end our 14 in 15 game winning streak and with it a second place finish in the EPL. I have never seen a Spurs side play better than that and that year was the last season coincidentally we ended up with the best defensive record in the league.

At that time we had the best CB pairing in the league in Toby/Jan and the best FB tandem, in Rose/Walker with Davies/Trippier as back ups, plus Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, dominating the defensive midfield. The alarming thing is that since that time the play of every single one of those players has regressed, or in Dembele and Trippier’s case, regressed and they departed the club. Factually, not one of those players is playing as well now as they were 2 years ago and the culmination of that decline was the debacle against Bayern last Tuesday. An abject abdication of defensive duties for the ages.

In my opinion only 3 players have improved under Poch in the last two years, Son, Moura and Sissoko and it is no coincidence that our run to the final of the Champion’s League was primarily constructed on the backs of those three players in the latter stages of the tournament. Offensively Sonny and Lucas carried us through those last two rounds to the final and Jan, Toby and Danny, playing close to their best, shored us up enough defensively that we didn’t completely fall apart like last Tuesday.

In my opinion the biggest change and thus the primary catalyst in the decline of the team is Poch himself. His whole demeanour, body language and public utterances, especially since the defeat in the CL final, have undermined his position at the club and unsettled the players. There is clearly discontent in the ranks and as much as Levy is not blameless for what has unfolded, nevertheless Poch is the manager and when the prime mover in the fomenting of the discontent is Poch himself, then fingers need to be pointed.

So back to the question, is Poch a busted flush? It is honestly impossible to answer at this point, as he could still turn things around. However the portents are not good and a radical change in attitude on the part of both Poch and certain players is going to be needed in order for that to occur and If he (Poch) has even a scintilla of doubt about remaining at Spurs it won’t happen. He has to be fully committed to the next chapter in order to get the players to buy into it and if he isn’t then regrettably it’s the end of the Poch era.

Busted flush is a strong statement, however what is undeniable is that the team has been slowly going backwards for the past two years, especially defensively. The high point in my opinion was the thrashing in consecutive weeks of Leicester and Hull, at the end of the 2017 season, to end our 14 in 15 game winning streak and with it a second place finish in the EPL. I have never seen a Spurs side play better than that and that year was the last season coincidentally we ended up with the best defensive record in the league.

At that time we had the best CB pairing in the league in Toby/Jan and the best FB tandem, in Rose/Walker with Davies/Trippier as back ups, plus Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, dominating the defensive midfield. The alarming thing is that since that time the play of every single one of those players has regressed, or in Dembele and Trippier’s case, regressed and they departed the club. Factually, not one of those players is playing as well now as they were 2 years ago and the culmination of that decline was the debacle against Bayern last Tuesday. An abject abdication of defensive duties for the ages.

In my opinion only 3 players have improved under Poch in the last two years, Son, Moura and Sissoko and it is no coincidence that our run to the final of the Champion’s League was primarily constructed on the backs of those three players in the latter stages of the tournament. Offensively Sonny and Lucas carried us through those last two rounds to the final and Jan, Toby and Danny, playing close to their best, shored us up enough defensively that we didn’t completely fall apart like last Tuesday.

In my opinion the biggest change and thus the primary catalyst in the decline of the team is Poch himself. His whole demeanour, body language and public utterances, especially since the defeat in the CL final, have undermined his position at the club and unsettled the players. There is clearly discontent in the ranks and as much as Levy is not blameless for what has unfolded, nevertheless Poch is the manager and when the prime mover in the fomenting of the discontent is Poch himself, then fingers need to be pointed.

So back to the question, is Poch a busted flush? It is honestly impossible to answer at this point, as he could still turn things around. However the portents are not good and a radical change in attitude on the part of both Poch and certain players is going to be needed in order for that to occur and If he (Poch) has even a scintilla of doubt about remaining at Spurs it won’t happen. He has to be fully committed to the next chapter in order to get the players to buy into it and if he isn’t then regrettably it’s the end of the Poch era.

Given the amount of nonsense he’s had to deal with over the last 2 years with no recruits, senior players wanting out, senior players not being rewarded accordingly and deadwood still hogging places in the squad I’d suggest Poch has performed rather admirably. The perseverance with the midfield diamond needs to end though. Even Sissoko, secure in the comfort of his new 4 year deal has come out and publicly questioned the diamond. What worried me about Tuesday night is how quickly we threw in the towel. The one thing you always got with this team under Poch was a determination to fight until the end. That 2nd half performance told me the writing is on the wall. Poch looks like a man that Levy would be doing a favour to put him out of his misery.

Agree with you, best manager since Bill Nicholson. He knew this downturn was coming, he wanted 6 or 7 new faces. He got three, two injured. C. L final was the end of line for this team, that’s why Poch said it was the end of one project. He has plenty of faults, but you’re kidding yourself if you believe a new manager would transform us. Money and lots of it transforms teams, aka Man City. They’d still be mid-table mediocrities without the petroleum money. All roads lead back to two things which are really the same thing, Enic and our chairman. I’m going with Poch, Guardiola and Mournho without the money wouldn’t do a better job than Poch has done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjgCO25YwQ0

Odd finishing and even odder defending from Leipzig. The commentator says it all at the end with an extra little reference for them wots ITK.

I highly reccomend the Brugge goals in Madrid for extra fun.

What’s the opposite of busted? He’s that. Poch can splove again.

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