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In Defence Of Mourinho Again
By Harry Hotspur -

There’s a pretty unique feeling that I get at full time after a game like that; knowing that on top of the descending gloom that failing to win brings, that come the morning, the Internet is going to be polluted with the opinions of people who don’t even bother to disguise their irrational contempt of our gaffer. People who are perfectly happy – indeed, believe it to be quite normal – to damn the coach that gave us the first magic of the first goal, yet was incapable of delivering a second.

There are people that genuinely see no conflict, no contradiction in accusing a manager who is a serial winner, who clearly hates losing, of being someone who lacks the killer instinct so much, that he would rather draw than risk making a mistake that might concede one point.

So what’s the problem at Spurs then, ya footballing genius? The problem is that Mourinho hasn’t had the transfer windows any coach would need in order to make the squad right. Pochettino was here four and a half years, several of which were great, several of which were poor. Bizarrely, there were very few voices in the fanbase calling it for what it was, during the poor years.

Ignore that, ignore being in a cup final for the first time in over a decade, and ignore Klopp only succeeding in his 4th year, ignore the fabulous first goal, and instead simply berate the absence of a second. Pull the shutters down in your mind and keep banging on about bus passing and how you really want to be entertained and how it wouldn’t be like this under Nagelsmann or some other flavour of the week coach that has yet to win any silverware.

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Tappaspur
Tappaspur
4 hours ago

See it deh. Sense talk.

Paddio
Paddio
10 hours ago

Jose has stated multiple times this is evolution of a squad, this is his stamp part1. This years aim is CL qualification and a cup (or two) regardless of the hype people got swept into when we went top of the table. There will be more changes with the summer transfer window as we know Levy not liking this window and Jose isn’t pushing this (hence statements of winks or dele not leaving this window). Our football will evolve and Jose and Levy will see a medium term project in winning the league but all great teams develop a solid defence first before they can push on.

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
11 hours ago

I look forward to the jam tomorrow. In the meantime the football and results that our manager is serving up through his choice of tactics & players, is absolutely dreadful.

Tangangry
Tangangry
10 hours ago

Absolute cobblers, the football is no worse that it was in Poch’s last 12 months, in fact I believe it is significantly better – yes we have occasional 30-45 minute spells where it doesn’t click – maybe even the odd full match – I don’t see anything wrong with his choice of players considering the cards in his hand, and the tactics are clearly a work in progress. Spurs MUST know when to defend and when to turn it on, they are still trying to find the right balance.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
10 hours ago
Reply to  Tangangry

Spot on, we were playing much worse and even more boring failed possession based football for the last 12 months of the Poch reign.

The choice of players is also partly due to squad rotation of course.

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
4 hours ago
Reply to  Tangangry

Ya-man. Real tark

Spursnutd
Spursnutd
11 hours ago

I have read a lot online this morning about two things, spurs fragile mentality and how mourinho and his tactics are costing us the league. Both I believe are true. By being so negative with his team selection he is creating more fear in the team no matter what he says. By then blaming the team for individual mistakes which cost us the game only creates more negative belief. Be positive start positive. Pick the best defenders the best attacking midfielders and front players against teams like Fulham not what you did last night you boring over paid excuse for serial winner. Pure rubbish is the best way to describe a mourinho team at the moment

Andrew Fraser
Andrew Fraser
13 minutes ago
Reply to  Spursnutd

Absolutely spot on. Also picking Sanchez while Rodon doesn’t get a look in is scandalous.

Marbella Spur
Marbella Spur
12 hours ago

The real nub of the problem has been recruitment and this is down to Levy. Leaving aside the current side’s imperfections, and the relative merits of Poch v. Maureen, we should have copied the Liverpool template. This was to achieve success on the pitch before expanding Anfield’s capacity. They instituted a root and branch reform of their recruitment, scouting and coaching, along with updating their analytical technology for identifying new players. The rest is history. We have gone about it in a different way by building the shopping complex first at the expense of denying the manager/s the necessary funds to compete at the highest level necessary to win meaningful silverware. Notwithstanding Mourinho’s track record, and the huge improvement under Poch, we will always struggle under the ownership of Enic who are only interested in the bottom line and the ineptitude of Levy in the transfer market.

Dct
Dct
11 hours ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

All very interesting- I’ve never attacked JM he’s been too successful for that however as you are such a tactical genius please explain how/why an attack with Kane Son Moura Bergwijn Bale Vinicius Lo Celso Dele etc can only score one goal time & again. I would humbly suggest TACTICS may play at least a part

Tangangry
Tangangry
10 hours ago
Reply to  Dct

And so perhaps you, as the tactical genius, might like to point specifically to the tactics you think Jose told them to use, that prevented those players wrapping it up?

Did you see a lack of forward movement, did you see us sitting back; because I didn’t. I saw a team that weren’t being agressive enough to press hard and control the game and eventually let Fulham have a way back in – unless maybe you this that was Jose’s master plan?

mumfordspur13
mumfordspur13
6 hours ago
Reply to  Marbella Spur

I disagree Marbs.
If you are going to have an empty stadium then it should be a magnificent one like ours.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago

For some context recent Fulham results have included: Fulham 1 vs Liverpool 1; Newcastle 1 vs Fulham 1; Fulhma 0 vs Saints 0; Leicester 1 vs Fulham 2

No excuse but they haven’t been anyone’s mugs for a few weeks now

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

And get in your faces scrappers Sheff Utd??

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
12 hours ago

Apparently Newcastle fans were calling for Bruce’s sacking following their defeat to the Blades. Interesting to see what happens if we suffer a similar fate!

Last edited 12 hours ago by David Dillenberg
SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
12 hours ago

We rarely lose under Jose 😉

Spurs est_1882
Spurs est_1882
11 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Drawing with cannon fodder is worse than losing to teams above us. Jose cant afford many more dropped points. The further we drift from top 4, the less Levy will back the “special” one.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
11 hours ago
Reply to  Spurs est_1882

Irrespective of any additional dropped points do you seriously think that Spurs are genuine title contenders this season?? In reality the dream probably died when we lost to Liverpool!

England Mike
England Mike
11 hours ago

Who created that illusion, it wasn’t Jose.
Top 4 will be a struggle now it seems.

Notontheshelf
Notontheshelf
10 hours ago
Reply to  England Mike

Top 6 is probably out of reach. But if we lose HK to injury for a spell, I doubt we’d make top 8.

Tangangry
Tangangry
10 hours ago
Reply to  Notontheshelf

Lol. Top 6 is out of reach when there are best part of 20 games to go and we sit 6 points off the top.

Get a grip!

Tappaspur
Tappaspur
4 hours ago
Reply to  Tangangry

Yep

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
11 hours ago

Do you really think that dream was ever born?

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
11 hours ago
Reply to  Spurs est_1882

Drawing with cannon fodder is worse than losing to teams above us.’

Actually it isn’t.

Liverpool wouldn’t swap beating us with winning the game they drew with Fulham – let’s not get nonsensical here.

Winning effective 6 pointers is the best.

I wouldn;t swap beating City with winning last night :/

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
12 hours ago

For a bottom side I’ve said all season that the Blades are surprisingly tough – shows the strength of the lower sides.

They can’t score which doesn’t bode well for them, but they’re still the same decent side they were last season.

I guess Big Sam’s Brom might be the only truly duff side out there unless he sorts them out. Other than that no gimme games right now. Brighton, Burnley and Toon are capable of stealing points off anyone and Palace have some genuinely great creative players in there.

Saying that, we should see off Sheff Utd yes. Score two goals and they’re toast and surely we won’t go two games without scoring twice…?

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
12 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Sheff Utd suffering more than most from not having the fans to suck in a goal for them at home

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
12 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Inspired by their first win of the season rest assured the Blades will be at it from the start. Will we?

Last edited 12 hours ago by David Dillenberg
SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
12 hours ago

I hope so, we’re perfectly capable – Son doesn’t usually have two iffy performances in a row…

I’d like to see Bergwijn recalled.

Winks isn’t tough enough for this fixture.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
12 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Changing every week I give up on team selection other than I would welcome the introduction of some fresh face youngsters into the team to boost flagging spirits!

mumfordspur13
mumfordspur13
6 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

And we were top of the league a few weeks ago.
Nailed on 2-0

England Mike
England Mike
13 hours ago

Somewhere, a critical point shall appear where the players begin to have doubts if these results continue the pattern that has emerged from these performances. You only keep players focused and believing for so long, if doubts do begin to creep in then it’s problems for the manager.
What we also have here are players who could/should be given more playing time, but for reasons only known to this manager and his inimitable ways, are not.
One thing is certain, Mourinho is not going to change, it’s whether players keep believing in his methods, which I think the majority will this season as they seem a pretty passive lot. However this season he will ultimately have to win a trophy to keep the good ship and crew from a mutiny, in worst case scenario terms.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
12 hours ago
Reply to  England Mike

Some players are already having doubts – the weak willed

Need ejecting soon as, summer window should be a lot of fun

Spurs est_1882
Spurs est_1882
11 hours ago
Reply to  England Mike

My fear is Kane will be thinking about his legacy soon. and that will not happen at this Spurs side, be it Jose, Levy or something else…we are not contenders at the moment and likely 3yrs away with good investmern. Kane cant wait that long.

Notontheshelf
Notontheshelf
10 hours ago
Reply to  Spurs est_1882

Aguero’s time at City is over. Sterling’s form has collapsed. Will Pep come calling?

dave
dave
13 hours ago

BUS PARKER 1 Scott PARKER 1

Legoverlass
Legoverlass
13 hours ago

This seasons ambition will be derailed by being to negative at home to the lower ranked team. Our form at home is poor and our problems are at CB and in the midfield. Both Sanchez and Dier are very poor at distributing the ball forward. Watching them pass backwards and sideways across the back line until they get closed down and then make an optimistic long ball that hands over possession is happening most times they play as a pair.They are also capable of costly defensive errors which again happened yesterday when Sanchez failed to stop the cross and Dier once again failed to defend a cross. The best defensive tactic with these two at the back is to push them up to a high line and keep possession in the opponents half. Our other problem is in midfield. We have Hojiberg as a deep midfield and with Winks playing deep as well their are huge gaps between the low block and Ndombele.Kane falls deeper leaving Son as a lone striker on many occasions chasing shadows. Watch how many times Dier passes to Winks who then immediately gives the ball back to him and then it is moved sideways to the wingbacks and back to Winks who then returns the ball back towards our own goal. We have no pace to our transition unless it is a quick counterattack with Kane and Son linking. Playing Sissoko as a wide attacking player against Fulham with Bale and Moura on the bench made no sense unless you wanted Sissoko to fall back and double up defensively with Aurier to cover his lack of judgement at times. That is to negative when playing at home and needing a win to go third. Mourinho looked lethargic on the touch line yesterday and it reflected in the team. Within ten minutes of the second half you could tell that we had once again dropped our intensity and fallen deeper into our own half. This gave Fulham the space to push deeper into our last two thirds. I was expecting to see Bale and Lamela on with Sissoko dropping into DM and Winks subbed. Nothing happened until it was to late and then in the last ten minutes we stared to up our intensity again. We need another centre back who is good at carrying the ball forward, defending crosses and distributing accurately and we need an attacking midfielder who can transition the play from DM to attack to link up with Kane and Son. Also give Bale a run of games to see if he can regain his form and switch him to the left or down the middle with Kane behind as a number 10.Our form and tactics at home is not going to win us anything in terms of a title race. Look at how we dismantled Man Utd away and how we set out to play Fulham at home. Makes no sense. Look at where Man Utd are now?

Last edited 13 hours ago by Legoverlass
BARDth
BARDth
13 hours ago
Reply to  Legoverlass

This is EXACTLY what I see.

Harry Kure
Harry Kure
13 hours ago
Reply to  Legoverlass

Excellent and insightful comment.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago
Reply to  Legoverlass

‘Also give Bale a run of games to see if he can regain his form and switch him to the left or down the middle with Kane behind as a number 10’

Aka – ‘if I was a manager I’d throw caution to the wind and roll a dice’

Bale has shown nothing to justify this faith so far

Prob best you’re not in charge of a Premier League side

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Lad can’t even keep fit for 90 minutes and rarely sprints

Legoverlass
Legoverlass
11 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Playing Bale in fits and starts does nothing to improve his chances of regaining his sharpness and he needs to be playing with Son and Kane to develop a partnership. That was the triple threat that everyone thought would carry us to success this season. Before we confine Bale to the trash can we should try and see if we can get this trio working together. We have put up with the likes of Dier, Aurier, Winks and Sissoko and sucked up the countless mistakes and lack of substance that they bring to the table. Bales reputation with us and his achievements suggest he warrants as much of an opportunity. How many goals have Dier and Aurier conceded for us. How many minutes of wasted space has Winks cost us, how many goals has Sissoko scored for us. How many minutes has Bale played and how many goals and assists has he contributed ? Best not roll the dice then. Just keep on keeping on with no dice at all .

Last edited 11 hours ago by Legoverlass
SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
11 hours ago
Reply to  Legoverlass

Bergwijn has far more chance of forming a partnership worth backing long term than Bale, I get it – you’re a dreamer, I sometimes am – but there comes a point you have to accept reality and go with the best option based on what you see with your eyes.

Bale gets cameos against weaker oppo in the cups until he does anything of note and maybe then he gets a full start in the cups…then cameos of the bench in the league…and finally a league start.

He has it all to do – in the meantime Bergwijn and Lamela look far more effective options to win games of football right now.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
10 hours ago
Reply to  Legoverlass

Ndombele shows the way – Bale has to be that good and work that hard.

I think he’s running out of time.

Tangangry
Tangangry
10 hours ago
Reply to  Legoverlass

We do miss Toby releasing the ball from deep when he doesn’t play, and while I wanted to see Bale come on, when they brought on Lookman Aurier looked in trouble and so I think it was fair to leave Sissoko on to help him out. That said, for me Bale might have been the better option in the middle instead of Lamela who rarely changes a game – or even Dele who might have offered a bit more threat.

Winks is a perenial sideways and backwards merchant and I don’t want to believe thats anything other than a lack of ability, even when he does try a forward pass they rarely find the mark. A top quality box-to-box guy to play next to Hoj has to be top of the shopping list and would transform us immediately. Winks lacks confidence and Sissoko lacks ability.

Fantasy football time, but someone like Kalvin Phillips with Hoj in the middle would be exactly the right sort of player.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago

The harsh reality of the situation is that when they are playing tippy tappy one touch football as they did in their recent demolition of WBA at the Hawthorns our N London rivals (not totally reliant on Auby as we are with Kane and Son) revived by their youngsters Sakko and Emile Smith-Rowe + the feisty impressive Tierney look a more attractive watch. Just saying not stirring!

Big Mal
Big Mal
13 hours ago

I’d say we had one poor season under Poch and we also got to 2 Cup Finals including the CL. Mourinho has sorted out the defence and has 2 world class forwards but he most definitely hasn’t sorted out the midfield and how to keep the ball and move it quickly. He does need time but he is not helping himself by playing what is pretty dull football. Bearing in mind the draws against Wolves, Fulham and Palace I’d have thought it would make sense to actually take the game by the scruff of the neck and look to go forward and press high up the pitch. I simply cannot believe that we would have taken 3 points from those games if we had shown attacking ambition. Surely we have better players than these teams?

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago
Reply to  Big Mal

We had one points haul over two half seasons that would have seen us finish 16th-18th.

Damn lucky it didn’t fall in the single season unless you fancied a relegation scrap for the craic? 😉

It was time to bid adieu to Pochy – as great as he had been previously.

Harry Kure
Harry Kure
13 hours ago

There’s a pretty unique feeling that I get at full time after a game like that; knowing that on top of the descending gloom that failing to win a must-win-game brings, that come the morning, the Internet is going to be polluted with the opinions of the very few people who don’t even bother to disguise that they have not yet discovered what Mourinho-football is all about.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago

“One thing is certain this season, that Spurs won’t be in involved in the title race. Boring, negative football, outplayed at home to a team in the bottom three. Sixth place is about our level.”
[A fairly measured response from a BBC tweeter]

Spursnutd
Spursnutd
13 hours ago

So up until this game we have a habit of taking the lead in games and then run out of ideas and are either unable or unwilling to go get the second goal. So we are playing a bottom three team with a terrible record although they have been improving of late. We are at home with one of the best squads on paper we have had in years. The starting team are you serious are you for real mourinho. If you want to defeat a team you take them apart early. You pin them back. You play your strongest team most attacking team. That was a shambles a complete and utter disgrace. So all you seam to want to talk about was that goal. I don’t care if they are all tap in goals as long as we attack. So according to you Harry mourinho will come good. When. When will he come good because I see a team going back wards. I see a team with players who don’t seem happy. What has happened to son he has been terrible over the last four or five games. We should start games like this with three attacking players however under mourinho we start with Kane and son that’s it. Oh my god how for the love of football can you defend this dull dull dull boring crap excuse for football. Once we scored the goal we could all have switched off because we all know what’s coming next. If we can’t beat Fulham at home with that squad do you really think winning the carabao Cup will change us because getting to the final has not had one bit of a difference. I am almost finished with spurs after forty years because we are not moving forward we are in completely the reverse. We can’t defend, we can’t score more than one goal a game unless the other team are crap or they defend worse than us. Totally utter gold plated crap football from a over paid stealing a living manager.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago
Reply to  Spursnutd

Where were the leaders on the pitch last night???

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago

Kane had a weird game.

If it wasn’t Kane I’d say he was lacking in confidence.

He’d pick the ball up really deep…and then make very cautious and negative decisions which weren’t like him. There was no snap or thrust in his play. Penny for Jose’s thoughts on that because I don’t think his instructions are for Kane to be negative..rather for Kane to play with total freedom.

But last night that freedom seemed to weigh heavy on him. As I said before, v strange.

Limerick AL
Limerick AL
12 hours ago

Yes . Here we go again with the Captain Argument. We have spoken about this for Yonks David and its still the case . We need an outfield Captain.

dave
dave
13 hours ago
Reply to  Spursnutd

totally agree.

But he will win the worthless cup and people will say Spur shave won something.

In the process we have lost our style, the excitement and the love of watching football

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago
Reply to  dave

A touch melodramatic?

dave
dave
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

We are Spurs fans, its what we do

Paul
Paul
13 hours ago
Reply to  Spursnutd

A whole lot of angry words and you have not make one salient point or said anything you have not ranted about before. I bet you too boast that the premier league is the toughest until it is your team up a against a bad result, then the manager is a bum and the players are imposters. Calm down it is only a game

Spursnutd
Spursnutd
12 hours ago
Reply to  Paul

The point I thought I made quite clear was mourinho is actually costing us the league this year with being so negative. How can you justify that starting team against a team like Fulham. It was as if he feared them even before a ball was kicked. To not play Toby was criminal, to not start with either moura, bale or even vinisis or whatever his name is up front. Why. Dier again tries to play passes like Toby and fails again. Dier again is out jumped for their goal. We could all see Fulham at the start of the second half come at us we loose possession and drop deeper and deeper and yet mourinho the saviour did nothing to arrest this until it happened. In truth we were lucky to get a point as they over the whole game were the better team. We had a few chances but this is mourinho this is how you change things according to him. I don’t see any changes I just see the same dull six and seven man defensive teams starting then it goes to ten man with everyone behind the ball. At home against Fulham are you for real that is what £15m a year buys you. Rubbish.

Paul
Paul
10 hours ago
Reply to  Spursnutd

No. You are ranting not about a game we just drew, but the entire season, the manager and the entire club. i agreed with the formation if we may discuss this game. Personnel was the problem. Winks and PEH pair was fine. Dele or Steven or Lucas, maybe Bale to keep Tanguy central who was running down the flanks was part of the problem. That is what help to ruin Dele Alli. Sissoko has no business on the pitch once Winks starts. That is the only issue I have with the 11. I do not see us deliberately sitting back and I will take. We need more goals and we will be fine. I still believe the front runners will falter once the return matches start with help from team like a rejuve Arsenal.

StuSpur
StuSpur
14 hours ago

Serial winner or not, that is not just cause to bury one’s head and ignore the painfully obvious.
It’s almost unjustifiable playing sissoko for the full 90 mins on the right side when there are attacking options on the bench.
The failure to act on that alone stunk of arrogance

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
14 hours ago
Reply to  StuSpur

Rest assured a packed stadium will not put up with this dull fare!

dave
dave
14 hours ago

I keep hearing about this master tactician, from what i see he has had his pants pulled down by the mighty Steve Bruce, David Moyles and Scott Parker

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago
Reply to  dave

Everything Fulham produced on the pitch last night especially in the second half epitomised Scotty Parker’s commitment as a player. Rightly so he was proud of his players for neutralising supposedly superior opposition!

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago
Reply to  StuSpur

He nearly scored what would have been the ultimate cult Sours goal of all time though, for that alone big props for Jose making the call

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

‘Sours’ Spurs

A lot of sours here today actually

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Not really just frustrated restless natives seeing our title challenge (remember not long ago we were top!) fade away for another season!

StuSpur
StuSpur
13 hours ago

Not just that but really horrible to watch football

Paul
Paul
13 hours ago
Reply to  StuSpur

I agreed totally looking at the line up. The set up was right the personnel were just wrong. If Steven or Lucas do not start then go with Ali so that Tanguy can stay in the middle as the CAM. PEH is out of his dept, yes, i said it, playing so advance, that is not his game. He needs to sit on either side of Winks. I do not think we play bad, we did not take our chances. Recurring theme.

dave
dave
14 hours ago

Its dreadful dull negative football.

But at least we might win an absolute worthless cup and all the fans can cheer and say yippee we won a rubbish cup

I prefer watching exciting good football and being entertained

This waffle about Mourinho, he plays awful football, he wins a crap cup, he lasts two years, creates absolute ill feeling and animosity, blames everyone but himself and leaves a cess pool behind him.

There was a real feel good factor about Spurs under Poch, sure there were poor performances, but the vast majority of games the team were set out to attack and play with style.

Sadly we are all duped into the you must win something at all costs, i no longer enjoy watching our games, but at least at the end of the season i can cheer and say whoppee we are the worthless cup winners, what a marvellous season of dreadful boring football that i switched off from watching.

Justin
Justin
14 hours ago
Reply to  dave

Agree. Really struggle to watch our games. Turgid dull boring, and worst of all ineffective.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago
Reply to  Justin

We trounced Leeds just a couple of games ago dude

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Thats when our deadly duo Kane and Son are essentially given the freedom of the pitch to play. Stifle them both and cut off the supply we struggle badly!

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago

That’s the same issue from the Poch reign and points more to the strength of the bottom sides in the league compared to 10 or 15 years ago.

The lower sides used to be powerless to keep their best performers from being poached but now even your Burnley’s and Fulham’s have sides made up of full internationals and keep their ‘star players’. They have the money.

Now they’re tough to break down and perfectly capable of stifling ‘world class’ attacks – as Liverpool, City and Chelsea have also found this season.

Our attacking mids have let Jose down badly this season other than Ndombele who seems to be trying exceptionally hard, adapting to the league…but still malfunctions from one 45 minutes of football to another. Our creative mids are a headache but I’m not getting on Jose’s case for that – he inherited them all! Alli and Winks are mentally broken it seems – Ndombele, Lamela, Bale and Lo Celso are frequently physically broken.

dave
dave
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

who were diabolical on the day

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago
Reply to  dave

they played the same they’ve played all season – and they’re widely lauded and have achieved some impressive results

we dismantled them, give credit….or give up?

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
14 hours ago
Reply to  dave

Remember at Chelsea he was surrounded by better players at his disposal led by tigerish captain John Terry!

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
14 hours ago
Reply to  dave

It’s not a rubbish cup. Beat City and win the final is a massive achievement!.

BARDth
BARDth
13 hours ago

Yep properly massive. What an amazing run to the final. Orient called off. Chelsea on pens. Then the mighty Stoke and Brentford.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
12 hours ago
Reply to  BARDth

Massive regarding beating the perennial holders Man City!

Charles Crawford
Charles Crawford
14 hours ago

Disagree!

JM keeps talking about ‘killing the game’. He needs to start aiming to WIN the game. City and Liverpool keep going when they’re 1-0 or 2-0 up. Steely caution is justified against some teams. Most opponents need merciless squishing.

Last night it was madness to leave the creative power/pace of Dele/Moura/Bale/Lamela on the bench for most of the match. It invited something stupid to happen and it duly happened! See also Wolves/Palace/Newcastle etc etc.

We could be well clear at the TOP with a clear notch more ambition and energy and URGENCY. If JM wants Kane/Son to leave, this is the way to get them out alas.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago

sometimes Liverpool never get going, have you watched them this season? they’re not Brazil circa 1970 !

Justin
Justin
14 hours ago

Winning the mickey mouse cup is not on a par with getting top four and certainly not on a par with getting to a Champions League final. Why does everyone except this utter nonsense? Poch didn’t win anything… because there are only two competitons that matter in any way for a top team – the league and the Champions League. That’s it. You get ten bob and a pat on the back for winning the FA Cup and sneered at for wining the mickey mouse cup.

George Graham was a serial winner when he came to Spurs. He won the pointless cup and played dull boring low block football and thank goodness he left. We now have exactly the same manager in terms of style and tactics.

Klopp and our manager have almost nothing in common. They have completely different tactical approaches. In fact the league winners the last few years have all been attacking sides and sides playing a high press rather than low block sides.

Poch had initial investment from the board and climbed the table. Then the net investment went down and we slowly dropped and dropped down the table. If he had greater investment we could have won something important – not the mickey mouse fucking cup but something real.

England Mike
England Mike
14 hours ago
Reply to  Justin

Tell that to the players.

Dan
Dan
13 hours ago
Reply to  Justin

Funny comment this.

FA Cup winners for the last few years: Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Arsenal.

League Cup Winners: Man Utd, City, Chelsea, City

But yeah, worthless competitions that obviously nobody wants to win.

Absolutely sick of reading stuff like this. Towards the end of Poch’s reign, every Spurs fan was saying “we need to kick on, pretty football is nice but we bottle everything and will never win a trophy like that. We’re a big club and need to start showing it”

And now, after Mourinho hasn’t even had HALF the time that you all afforded Poch, “I’d rather play decent football than watch us win a tin pot playing like this”

Decide what you want.

MrChickenhead
MrChickenhead
13 hours ago
Reply to  Dan

Not every spurs fan, lots of us were saying invest in the squad not a shopping mall and we only bottle it Bc of the lack of quality players not bought in over two windows. So Poch was either running the players into the ground or not giving the cups a good go. Decide what you what, top 4 and CL or Tin Pot.
He had his orders and fulfilled them till it all went to Levy.

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Dan
Dan
12 hours ago
Reply to  MrChickenhead

Not what I said at all. It’s not about choosing between competitions, it’s about substance or style. Who’s to say we won’t make top 4 this year? I personally think we will. So if we end the season with Champs League and a League Cup, that’s better than anything Poch ever achieved.

Also, investment is an interesting conversation, everyone assumes Poch wasn’t backed but rightly or wrongly he always said publicly “I am happy with the squad I have, we will only make signings if they improve the current group”, as fans, we have to take some of that at face value, is it coincidence that Poch left and all of a sudden we have one of the best transfer windows in recent memory? Was he not backed or did he not fancy the options put to him? Or did he simply not know who could improve the current crop?

Mourinho has come in, solved a lot of problem areas and we look much more solid defensively, he is largely working with what’s already there so until he has the squad he wants we will see blips.

This whole circus has been started by the majority of our fanbase demanding silverware, we are still active in every possible competition. Mourinho is doing the job asked of him.

Paul
Paul
12 hours ago
Reply to  Dan

Lots of angry Spurs. These are the same guys who complain about a bad pass 10 minutes into games we win. So imagine a tie. They all bums.

Paul
Paul
12 hours ago
Reply to  Justin

What a bunch of crap. You take the one insight. We had the luck of the draw. I did not see any special effort except for the Chelsea game for us to get to the finals.

StuSpur
StuSpur
14 hours ago

Poch took spurs to the league cup final 5 years ago

StuSpur
StuSpur
14 hours ago
Reply to  StuSpur

Pochs first season

Sandro
Sandro
14 hours ago

Jose knows what it takes to win things – give him time and the transfer windows. Currently he does not have enough players with talent, brains and self belief to execute his instructions.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
14 hours ago
Reply to  Sandro

Yes, the churn must continue.

Alli, Moura, Sanchez and Winks don’t have the consistency or edge for Jose, think all should be moved on at this stage. Only issue is the homegrown quota – meaning we would need to buy English or recall Skipp and Sess as 1st teamers.

Sissy, Davies, Aurier, Toby and Lamela are great squaddies, have all been excellent servants for the club and I’m 50/50 as to whether they stay – none are getting any younger. If the right money comes in any or all are off.

Vini and Bale the loan pair the jury is out on too, again currently feeling 50/50 on both staying beyond this season. Lo Celso is another 50/50 one.

Keep at all costs players/the core of the side are Kane, Son, Dier, Hojbjerg, Reggie (if possible). Lloris should be in the list but keepers are keepers, really depends how Jose and the player feel. Hopefully we win a cup this season to give these players a taste of glory and they all buy into Jose’s plans for next season/sign on the dotted line.

Rodon, Bergwijn and Doherty deserve more time obviously, though none have pulled up any trees so far.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Oh, and Ndombele is in the ‘keep at all costs’ category despite all his issues

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
11 hours ago
Reply to  Sandro

Sorry to disappoint but IMO time is not on Jose’s side!!

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
5 hours ago

As Harry said – we can’t afford to get rid of him!

So he stays, irrespective.

Millspur
Millspur
14 hours ago

Mourinho has made his career from being a results man who doesn’t play the best football. When the results aren’t coming and we’re regularly dropping points against lesser opposition, of course people will start to question his approach. I still find it crazy that we started sissoko on the RW, I can see it in big games as a more defensive cover but against Fulham?? I also find it mad that going into the last 10 minutes, sissoko was still on the pitch when he offers no creativity going forward and we all know, can’t score a goal.

Unfortunately, playing style has a huge effect on how you look at a team and a manager. Just enjoying watching a game has a massive impact on whether you like the manager or not and therefore support him when times aren’t so good. Mourinho’s style doesn’t build up any goodwill with the fanbase so he can’t complain when fans aren’t happy.

Lilywhitesmurf
Lilywhitesmurf
14 hours ago
Reply to  Millspur

Good points👍

CustardCream
CustardCream
13 hours ago
Reply to  Millspur

This, This and This… Sissoko for 90 mins, at home against Fulham ! My only real shock was that he never bought on Davies for Tanguy like he normally does. Negative tripe, wrong team selections and boring football. Harry Kane didn’t muster one shot in the entire second half… at home to Fulham…. Jose’s having a western if you ask me, cup final or not.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
14 hours ago

I’m with you 100% on this one Harry.

Poch had an awful record against bottom half teams lest we forget.

I always joked that every season we’d gift one relegation side 6pts under him and we nearly always did. His possession approach was at least as equally flaccid to any Jose performance this season.

This game realistically should have been 2-0 before it was 1-1, the chances were there. Son, from about 15 minutes in, you could tell was struggling this game. I’m not sure if that also affected this finishing but either way, his finishing was just off too.

Our best player first half (Ndombele) wasn’t the same 2nd half but can that wholly be laid at the feet of Jose? Would you sub your best player at half time? Very big call, esp with his replacement on the treatment table. Plus, squad management, we have game after game hence Sanchez and others being drafted in.

Redknapp was a fun gung ho manager but often we had our pants pulled down to the tune of a 4-0 or 5-1 hammering by Man U or City or Real Madrid in the CL etc. That may be more the Spurs way but Jose KEEPS YOU IN GAMES at all cost. That may be slightly negative but long term, as a squad improves and buys into it, it’s how you’ll win knock out competitions.

If you very rarely trail 2 goals to ANY side then that’s a great place to be, you’ve always a chance of winning.

Harry is correct in asserting that Jose needs his boys, esp in defence and central midfield. Imagine a Hojbjerg in central defence, reliable full backs both sides. Another creative midfielder with an edge who may or may not be Lo Celso (not consistent enough yet but we’ll see).

Still too early to judge.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
14 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Dispirited with his negative tactics lets all wake up and smell the coffee beans. Hang on I wish I was on his salary! Whats frustrating is following an all too familiar theme here going into our shell after taking the lead how you can defend Jose for not changing things sensing Fulhams predictable equaliser before it arrived is baffling when clearly Mourinho needed to make some tactical subs either at HT or shortly afterwards making triple subs (bringing on Alli, Bale and Moura) but oddly failed to do so. Why???

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
14 hours ago

To be fair, Fulham rarely score – despite their pressure I was actually amazed they did. It was like sighting a shooting star 😉

I don’t know why the same players were so poor 2nd half and couldn’t adapt to Fulham’s switch up in intensity. A sub MIGHT have helped, or not.

The Ndombele enigma is troubling me and I imagine Jose…why couldn;t he influence the game or even RELEASE THE DAMN BALL second half.

This still isn;t a Jose side and until it is I don;t now how to judge the manager. Alli, Moura, half fit Bale, featherweight Vini all staring at him from the bench…uninspiring!

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Never mind drawing Fulham could and should have won it!

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago

No, they should have been put to bed long before they had the chance to draw level – we played just well enough that it felt unfortunate we didn’t. We did enough for the 2-0.

At 1-1, sure, we actually lost our heads (not to a Bielsa Leeds Utd in 2020 degree!) for five minutes and that was something unwelcome, a bit like the West Ham game.

We had more chances and the better chances across 90 minutes and Fulham goals are as rare as unicorns so I still feel we deserved the win just about, but a loss was on the cards for a dodgy 5 minute spell towards the end.

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Disagree. Fluffed chances accepted Fulham were by far the dominant better side in the 2nd half worthy of a win!

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago

When’s the last time Fulham scored 2 goals in the Premier League?

David Dillenberg
David Dillenberg
13 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Whats your point?

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
13 hours ago

You were a lot more worried about them scoring another goal than me – or probably Jose either.

It was a poor(ish) performance but with all the fixture congestion it just feels like this season every team has a dodgy performance and/or result around the corner.

Jose’s players, the ones he likes and trusts, keep playing pretty well – Son, Kane, Hojbjerg, Reggie, Dier (sort of), Ndombele…he’s just got these other long broken souls to try and manage.

I’m more critical of the squad Jose’s been given to work with than his tactics right now, but that’s me. Some players are just a constant source of disappointment and Jose can’t shake it out of them. Another summer transfer window needed unfortunately.

Rick
Rick
12 hours ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

At 1-nil it also keeps the other teams in the game also, Palace, Wolves etc..!

Lilywhitesmurf
Lilywhitesmurf
14 hours ago

You cant compare Jose with Klopp because he never stays anywhere for 4 years

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Aaaw mama can this really be the end?
Aaaw mama can this really be the end?
14 hours ago

I see the conflict of accusing serial winner of lacking killer mentality.. the same way as i see the conflict of watching a team 4 typical central midfielders in starting lineup with 30% ball possession..

lifes is not always logical and predictable i guess

Mike
Mike
14 hours ago

It’s not a ‘black and white’ discussion. Mourinho could still get us the first cup for donkey’s years, and he has elements of genius about him. Agreed. No argument. However, even the manager of Marine FC could tell that in the last Spurs game (and in many such games against ‘lesser opponents’) we sit back and try to hold a lead that is often not held. Those are the sorts of games that we should really try to put to bed with 2 or 3 goals. Did you notice the ‘zip in the step’ the lads had when they realized they had about 12 minutes to try to salvage a win? Why didn’t they have that ‘zip’ for most of the 2nd half? Everyone could see they were playing without zest… Mourinho needed to shout some more instructions and perhaps throw in 2 players to mix things up – much earlier.

Jerard
Jerard
14 hours ago

Absolutely no excuse for playing such a defensive team at home against Fulham. We could have used Bale and/or Ali from the start to open them up and put the game to bed.

BARDth
BARDth
14 hours ago

Yes I know all of that but there are enough attacking options to put teams away and he’s not choosing to use them. Plus he must be blind to play Sanchez in any game ever.

Spurs est_1882
Spurs est_1882
14 hours ago

Would accept this if it was the first time against a bottom team…even the second? every time we play a bottom team we try to defend a 1-0 lead (Fulham, Wolves, Palace, WBA, Brighton, Burnley… all came from the West Ham game, but you cant tell me its not coming from him. If it is not, he has had 3months to iron out the mentality.

If this were battles in war. I can understand damaging the opposition forces then sitting back in the defence of the citadel waiting for your chance to end them…but against a weaker foe, you gamble too much when your citadel is more like a mud shed. Against a weaker foe you march your superior forces in to demoralise and destroy them. The tactic was solid against city, liverpool, arsenal…I would even defend it, but games like last night…well no! If its not Jose to blame for the tactic, he must at least shoulder something for the fear. It only seems to really take hold after his half time team talk.

Stephen Gerskin
Stephen Gerskin
10 hours ago
Reply to  Spurs est_1882

We should have signed lookman 2 years ago.