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Editorial: Bad optics, but will fans be demanding encores at full time?

By Harry Hotspur -

Today’s starting XI against Southampton doesn’t feature a single new signing, which feels at odds with a top-flight side that supposedly got its business done early doors, with only one new player failing to board the preseason flight to South Korea.

Antonio Conte’s bench boasts 5 new faces and only 4 old ones. However, it remains to be seen just what value Bryan Gil has for the Italian.

Whilst it is easy to sneer, progress is undoubtedly being made, although glacial, which is about right considering the extent of the neglect. The £150million ‘cash injection’ has been far from exhausted, indeed, given the number of players that look to be sitting in the Departure Lounge at Hotspur Way, the overall net spend may well be as vertically challenged as normal.

Today’s starting XI feels like a band kicking off a new tour by playing its greatest hits, as opposed to debuting new material.

Tottenham is in no position to palm off fans with hits of yesteryear, because over the last two decades very little has managed to chart.

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Park Lane
Park Lane
2 days ago

Too much flapping about new signings not starting.

Conte has explained his thinking, and has been vindicated completely.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
2 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

Be interesting next weekend if Conte keeps faith with this line up…one that’s very similar to the same team that got their pants pulled down multiple times by Chelsea in the space of a few weeks last season.

A lot has changed…but has enough changed to turn the tables and get the win?

Park Lane
Park Lane
2 days ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Not really the same side at all. I’m sure we had about 6 defenders in one of those Chelsea games

Park Lane
Park Lane
2 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

Yep, a back 6 in the last 2-0. Davies, Sanchez, Dier, Tanganga in the back four, then Sessegnon and Doherty wide mids. Bergwijn and Winks started too.

In the 2nd leg 1-0 cup defeat the side included Gollini, Tanganga, Sanchez, Winks, Lo Celso, and Moura.

The 2-0 1st leg loss was a better side, but still had a back three of Davies, Sanchez, Tanganga, with Lucas too.

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

Sounds horrendous ,yeah a preseason as well as personal has improved them i hope .

Dexter
Dexter
2 days ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

Agree with Park Lane. Conte’s a bloke who, with his training methods, can -and has done – walk into a club and win trophies and titles very quickly.
It’s not just about overhauling the squad, he can alter mindsets and change attitudes. With the correct drilling, he’s shown a remarkable ability to ‘polish a turd’ as it were.
I realise we weren’t up against much today, but we had good goals from Sess and Dier, and Emerson looks like he’s been inhabited by football player.
Kulusevski is immence, and we’ve gained decent quality depth in almost every area
Reasons to be cheerful.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
2 days ago
Reply to  Dexter

We’re looking confident but it’s still interesting that yesterday was mostly the same pool of players as we had during those defeats. The Chelsea supporters I know all think they’ll get beat as their preparation for the season was 2-3 weeks behind ours but still, shows the Conte effect that the same (mostly) players are now expected to win.

Park Lane
Park Lane
2 days ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

It was not the same pool of players at all. Look at my other post. Look up the games. We had a proper makeshift side in that spell.

SpursGoliath
SpursGoliath
1 day ago
Reply to  Park Lane

So 8 or 9 of the players who started yesterday weren’t at all involved in those three games? :/

Park Lane
Park Lane
2 days ago
Reply to  Dexter

If you go to https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/8618/England-Premier-League you can look at last season’s table by date range.

Do it from about 28th Feb. Kulu and Bentancur with a month to settle, and Conte with a distraction-free month to drill them properly under his belt.

Liverpool……P12…….32
Spurs…………P13…….29
City……………P11…….27
Leicester……P15…….25
Chelsea……..P13…….24
Arsenal………P14…….23
Newcastle….P13…….24

That last third of a season we were clearly the third best side. If we assume the extra games before this were won by City and Liverpool, the gap is pretty similar up and down.

The XI was fine by the end of last season. He probably had 15 players he truly trusted. We now have 21 (hopefully).

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
43 minutes ago
Reply to  SpursGoliath

We’ve gone forward they’ve gone backwards. Over the last two months of the season we got far more points them. I’m not saying we will win but on Saturday at Everton they looked bang average

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
2 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

Absolutely. Kept it going from last season and it worked. The new guys will improve our squad options for the cups and CL, but they might not find it easy to get into the starting 11.

Park Lane
Park Lane
2 days ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

Yep – it is all about improving the pool of players he can count on.

We have gone from 15 players – which with injuries and suspensions can soon become 11 players – to having 21 to choose from.

When the new year comes around, and hopefully CL and FA cup games are having to be squeezed in, maybe league cup semis, the true benefit will show.

For now, keeping with the side that finished like a train is absolutely fine, with gradual iintegration.

Tommy Ball
Tommy Ball
2 days ago

If we rock up at the bridge next week with a game plan as we do at City we might just come away with something.

Good balance today.

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago

Bentacur,kula and dare I say it royal the stand outs.
decent performance all in all , proper match next week.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
2 days ago

Saw only the second half and it sounds like we improved a lot over the match.

At a glance:

Kulu was great, had their LB for breakfast.
PEH and Bentancur didn’t really put a foot wrong.
Cameos by Biss and Doherty were pretty poor.
Kane and Son didn’t seem completely ready.
Royal, Davies, Romero played well.

All in all, some pretty decent work today.

Is it Chelsea away next? That might tell us more… 😬

Park Lane
Park Lane
2 days ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

I know it is sacreligious to say it on here, but PEH did put a foot wrong. He was at fault for their goal. Totally lost the flight, wild jump, left JWP with a free hit instead of potentially blocking the shot

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
2 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

To be fair, I did watch only the second half and didn’t see their goal (writing this, I feel like Arsene “say ‘I didn’t see it’ whenever it doesn’t suit me” Wenger).

Interesting you say “it is sacrilegous to say it on here” re criticising PEH. By contrast, I feel that many people here and elsewhere are happy to criticise him and are all too open to replace him with an unproven Skipp or an unfit Bissouma – or even Pape Sarr who hasn’t played competitive football in England and might be a squad player in 2023/24, if then.

In my view, PEH is absolutely not exempt from criticism, but he doesn’t deserve the flak he got last season. His partnership with Bentancur was a large part in us getting fourth, and the onus is on Biss and Skipp to show they’re good enough to displace one or the other.

Park Lane
Park Lane
2 days ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

He did really well in the run-in, I am absolutely fine with him being a potential starter for now, and part of the rotation through the season.

I’m not a hater, was eager for us to go for him, and delighted when we actually did. That was then though, and this is now.

He has his qualities, sure, but he is not slick enough when receiving and moving the ball on for my liking. Clunky. Defensive positioning and anticipation of danger is a concern too.

Bissouma has this and more. Skipp you only have to look at his body shape when collecting a pass, the first touch always buys time and opens up space if it isn’t a pass. The fullbacks always covered.

CzechSpur
CzechSpur
1 day ago
Reply to  Park Lane

Let’s hope you’re right. Biss looked clunky in the little playing time he’s had so far and Skipp is generally unavailable these days, so PEH and Bent are still the go-to option, but that may change. We need all four to contribute anyway.

Park Lane
Park Lane
1 day ago
Reply to  CzechSpur

These are great ‘problems’ to have!

Lilywhite without a cup
Lilywhite without a cup
2 days ago

Very good in patches, very average in others, but I wasn’t cringing when the subs come on…Son was poor, Kane struggled to get into a rhythm but 4 goals without either being on the score sheet is a good thing..good start, well done…!

legoverlass
legoverlass
2 days ago

still need two or three quality additions.

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
2 days ago
Reply to  legoverlass

I’d add Buffalo Camembert, Ticklemore, and maybe some 6 year cave aged Comte to the menu ………………… wait, sorry, were you talking players?

Archibald&Crooks (SC)
Archibald&Crooks (SC)
2 days ago

That’ll do

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
2 days ago

Yeah, love Buffalo Camembert.

Sid+Trotter
Sid+Trotter
2 days ago

Bloody stream has gone

Urbane Sturgeon
Urbane Sturgeon
2 days ago
Reply to  Sid+Trotter

Haven’t you heard, there’s a drought mate.

SimonSpur
SimonSpur
2 days ago

Kulusevski=outstanding.

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago

Bentacur is also having a great game.

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago

Right it’s a long season get the subs on I’ve been promised tin pots so let’s not knacker them out.

Sid+Trotter
Sid+Trotter
2 days ago

Emerson is having a royal good game

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago
Reply to  Sid+Trotter

Certainly is .

SimonSpur
SimonSpur
2 days ago
Reply to  Sid+Trotter

Carrying on from where he left off last season. He seems much improved.

Elevenstonedidiots
Elevenstonedidiots
2 days ago

Great finish

Tippyid
Tippyid
2 days ago

Fcuk hope we don’t pay for not putting this to bed

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago
Reply to  Tippyid

This aged well 😂

Tippyid
Tippyid
2 days ago
Reply to  Cabspur

About 20 seconds bud 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Brick Top
Brick Top
2 days ago

Richarlison will have to work hard to displace Kulu

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago
Reply to  Brick Top

Yeah he has been decent today so far.

Park Lane
Park Lane
1 day ago
Reply to  Brick Top

Richarlison hasn’t been bought to displace anyone, not immediately anyway.

He has been bought to give us options to rest and rotate all three forwards when we eventually end up playing every weekend/midweek.

legoverlass
legoverlass
2 days ago

So despite all the hype about how wonderful this transfer window has been not one new signing in the starting eleven for our first match. Are we to read into this that the strategy has been to add depth but not of first-team quality that commands an immediate place in the starting eleven? Why is Emerson still here? We need dare I say a Ward Prowse-type attacking midfield playmaker another CB and definitely an RWB of quality.

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
2 days ago

Get the croatian on for the 20.

Brick Top
Brick Top
2 days ago
Reply to  Lord Croker

And Spence

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago

Decent play again , I’m fairly happy , it’s weird.

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago

Sonny….

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

You started on that value scotch then ?

Elevenstonedidiots
Elevenstonedidiots
2 days ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

He deserves a statue to be fair. A statue of him pointing.

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
2 days ago

👍

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
2 days ago

Two goals from the unlikely of sources.

Sid+Trotter
Sid+Trotter
2 days ago

Remember, its a season trophy winning thing

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
2 days ago
Reply to  Sid+Trotter

Tis a marathon not a sprint.

Sid+Trotter
Sid+Trotter
2 days ago
Reply to  Lord Croker

Snicker

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
2 days ago
Reply to  Sid+Trotter

Oh yea, I forgot they changed the name, blastards.

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago

Good stuff lads

Trini
Trini
2 days ago

goal!

Elevenstonedidiots
Elevenstonedidiots
2 days ago

Sess deserves a new long-term contract

Cabspur
Cabspur
2 days ago

Get him off though😂

Lilywhite without a cup
Lilywhite without a cup
2 days ago

Cracking goal…much better 10mins…more please..

Trini
Trini
2 days ago

linky pleasey

Lilywhite without a cup
Lilywhite without a cup
2 days ago
Reply to  Trini

We can’t send links, try buffstreams.sx if HH doesn’t work…

Lilywhite without a cup
Lilywhite without a cup
2 days ago

Usual mistakes…miss passes, sloppy defending..

Lilywhite without a cup
Lilywhite without a cup
2 days ago

Yawn….

Trini
Trini
2 days ago

anyone got a stream link?

Lilywhite without a cup
Lilywhite without a cup
2 days ago
Reply to  Trini

I wouldn’t bother…

Jonah
Jonah
2 days ago
Reply to  Harry Hotspur

Apparently Tottenham.

Lord Croker
Lord Croker
2 days ago

Live blog for todays shenanigans or guess which room has the most people in it? Her indoors wants to know.

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