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Could Conte make Spurs a cup side again?

By Harry Hotspur -

Those are words to send a chill down Daniel Levy’s spine. A total and utter contempt for the ENIC business model, which focuses purely upon the ability to service the club’s primary revenue streams.

Anyone that suspects that I do our valiant investors a disservice, need only be pointed at the dismissal of José Mourinho just days before a domestic cup final. The priority of Levy & Co. was revealed that day, for all to see. It was cheaper to manage the Portuguese’s compensation in advance of the head-to-head with Manchester City than it was to let José risk winning.

Perhaps, Antonio Conte’s track record might deliver another football experience here altogether, for Tottenham fans?

If we look at what the gaffer has won in his career to date, it has only been domestic honours, including 5 championships. With Chelsea, the Italian won the division in the 2016/17 season, then the FA Cup in the following 2017/18 term. That season, Conte only managed to finish 5th, which for that club at that stage was unacceptable – and another factor in Antonio’s average term as a top-flight coach being just 1.16 years per club. Furthermore, Conte’s modus operandi is to be remembered by fans as a winner. The fact that Daniel Levy thinks he knows better is, in the bigger scheme of things, a secondary issue to him personally.

The chances of Conte winning the Premier League whilst at Tottenham are not outstanding. His immediate opponents in the task are seasoned veterans. Whilst Tottenham has undoubtedly sought to strengthen in this window, it would be extremely ambitious to believe that we have somehow outgunned the likes of Manchester City, Liverpool, and the ever indefatigable Chelsea. Oh, were it so, but the reality is that we are still spending to address the issues that weren’t fully addressed under Mauricio Pochettino’s tenure.

Spurs are certainly shopping in a more discerning manner than perhaps we ever have done, as exhibited with the short to medium-term deals for Ivan Peresič and Clement Lenglet. Obviously, putting Djed Spence to one side, Cristian Romero looks to be an outstanding acquisition and Dejan Kulusevski an extremely promising one.

My gut feeling is that Antonio will not wish to be remembered as yet another manager that ‘ended’ his career in Haringey. As with Mourinho, these elite-level coaches operate in a space that others can only look up to. I fully expect Spurs to aim for the Champions League, but I also expect us to take a meaningful tilt at a trophy.

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Tangangry
Tangangry
20 days ago

I think maybe the intensity Conte operates under is simply not sustainable in modern football.

He’ll run this lot into the ground, holler and shout at them, and all well and good now coz they have won eff all, but if thats still the case 2 years from now then there’lll be a player revolt.

Sonificent
Sonificent
20 days ago
Reply to  Tangangry

If we’ve won something in the next two years, who cares?!

mike
mike
20 days ago
Reply to  Tangangry

In two years time some of these players would be too old to be effective anyway.

Park Lane
Park Lane
20 days ago

The Jose compensation thing is unsubstantiated nonsense. He got sacked because we were spiralling and being slapped by every decent side we played. To think we may have laid a glove on a rampant City in that state is fantasy.

Apart from that, the minimal theoretical saving is totally at odds with our outlay since the CL final and the stadium opening – a drop in the ocean.

A third point – it is fanciful to think that this break clause would activate before a season has finished.

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

As maybe, but going into a cup final, the build up and mind games that are employed you couldn’t have asked for a better manager than Jose. Not letting him see out that final stinks.

Lose the final and sack him as a result then yeah. We get it. We were never going to win it with the resulting upheaval and Levy knew it.

Park Lane
Park Lane
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Why wait to sack him when we were an inconsistent mess. I watched City pummel us 3-0 weeks before and to be honest they were hardly trying.

Better to have a gamble and hope there is a new manager bounce, with players a little revitalised. It didn’t work as it turned out, but we were never going to win that final with Mourinho.

If you want to moan at Levy for anything it is employing the man in the first place. Awful decision, and set us back at least a year

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

Given his credentials I’d say otherwise.

A month before might get the new manager bounce. A week, not a chance. And Ryan Mason ! Seriously 😳

Last edited 20 days ago by JimmyGrievance
Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

Absolute garbage..we beat Utd 6-1 and Soton 5-2 both away and it became apparent that Levy would not sanction investment as cCOVID loomed . The rest was a pantomime particularly the defeat in Zagreb when the
darlings of Dr Strangelove willingly shunted us out of the UEFA Cup and Lloris called them out post match.
For me you are a Press Office Mule who sucks it up and spits it out..Still nice to see another CFC manager sorting us out.
Has Winky gone yet ? Course not.

Last edited 20 days ago by Billy Tonsils
Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

We were sh.t under Jose football that was both abysmal and unsuccessful. He was lucky Kane and Son saved him from a relegation struggle

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Raaar..he was pointing out the utter garbage in the squad ..how much is left ..Dier Winks..couple of others ..and Kane and Son prioritised by Jose Kane won golden boot and most spassists trophy and Son came second in assists. Uncle Joe has twisted Levy’s Melons and now we spend…it’s a journey and the sooner Levy and Gonna Cullen exit through the gift shop the happier I will be .

Last edited 20 days ago by Billy Tonsils
Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

Players who performed badly in the Jose era have improved beyond belief under Conte. Dier Davies Sess, even the very limited Docherty. Conte is a proper coach, players play for him and unlike Jose he never throws players under the bus. If Conte and Jose went for a job it’s no contest who would get it

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Dier is still a liability Davies has improved but the Sess myth is exactly that..he is young which maybe why we persist but I see little improvement poor defending and being caught out of position too often ..we are, in theory, in the arena of fine margins ..Sess just doesn’t cut it for me.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

Disagree about Dier unlucky not be in the England squad considering Maguire is still there. Proof of the improvement generated by Conte was in the last three games without Romero, a top class player, Sanchez,Dier and Davies didnt concede a goal. Sess to me is a slow burn but home grown so worth a place in the squad

Park Lane
Park Lane
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

That was at the start of that season.

By the time he got sacked we had just been comfortably beaten at Arsenal and West Ham, United had gubbed us 3-1 at home, and City had the easiest 3-0 you will ever see

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Jose was sacked because he put winning the league cup, and his ego, above finishing fourth which Levy prioritised. Every club chairman in Levy’s place would have done the same in monetary terms. Jose was elite he ain’t any more he’s at Roma a middle ranking Italian club with a big reputation but little substance

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Behave ! This club needs (ed) to win silverware. Believing anything different is sheer stupidity.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

What the club needs in the investment from champions league football. Winning the dog and duck cup is worth the price of a happy meal. Get real

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Seriously ! 1 trophy in how many years ? And you come in here saying that nonsense. Fans like you are part of the problem. The club needs to win silverware regardless of the name attached to it.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

No I understand the business of football. You may not like it but coming in the top four is now a trophy. The investment in the squad this summer is partly funded by Ecl football. Jose the dinosaur has just signed a Man Utd deadbeat matic on a free. Happy days ahead

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Top4 and FA Cup too much ? Like Wengers AFC did for 4 out of 5 seasons ..too much…FFS.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

Fact check. When wenger was delivering Ecl football and no trophies his job was safe. Two years without Ecl football and he was binned. You need to understand the finances of football. You would last long on the apprentice

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

I suggested Top 4 and the FA Cup ..you can read ..

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

I can when the fa cup came without Ecl he was gone. Assume you too can read

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

AFC fans were boycotting games fighting amongst themselves nonetheless he won the the FACup 4 times in 5 years and qualified for the CL something we have failed to do ever.
I believe and hope we should be capable of this this season ..what is your problem.?

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

For the last few years of his reign he didn’t get Ecl but still kept on winning a trophy that I grew up loving but is now diminished, Levy’s hand on the tiller meant we couldn’t chase domestic cups because the squad wasn’t deep enough. Maybe this year we may be able fight on four fronts.

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Be happy for 3 but point taken

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

Agree

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Only when you have been to Wembley seen
Spurs lift FA Cup returned tonTottenham to get your head bent with thousands of others or shared tears with your children at joy of it will you understand..it is the magic dust ..it really does matter it has been too long ..so long you cannot comprehend what it means , this isnt an insult ., it is simply monumental.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

I’ve done it and been with the players and management. If it’s the Fa cup you are talking about it’s not what it was and it’s a fantasy to suggest otherwise. I’ve seen four cup final wins. Great I took my youngest to our game at Wembley vs Real Madrid that was magical too seeing us on the greatest stage on club football. Things change

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

The both are doable..

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Spurs fans laughed at Woolwich continually going for 4th. I don’t think you understand football and the metrics of winning stuff. Coming 4th isn’t winning.

Gawd elp us with fans like you 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

I do it’s you who doesn’t. The priority of all the big clubs every season is however bad the season is make sure you are in the Ecl. Money talks its old men like you who don’t understand the new football world.
I grew up in an era when winning the Fa cup was like winning the league. The world has moved on for better or worse not all of it I agree with.

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

You really are a patronising c#nt ..read what is written before your indignation swells your brain.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

Not sure I’m all that bothered about your opinion of me. But to summarise I believe you are saying if we had won europes third tier competition and failed to qualify for the champions league that would have been a better season. If that’s true I may well be a patronising c.nt as you call it but you are a village idiot

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

The sad thing is it’s fans like you with your attitude to the domestic cups that have diminished their status. The all consuming CL being the epicentre of your footballing world.

Ive worked in Professional football and can tell you this. The players don’t hold your view. They want to win stuff. They want to end their careers with medals and trophies. Coming 4th in the PL doesn’t even get you a certificate of participation.

Like I said. Fans with your world view are the problem with the game.

Over nd out.

Sonificent
Sonificent
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Bravo JG and BT. This bloke is the reason that Enic act with the impunity they exhibit daily. Treat these fans with contempt as we are chasing the 4th place trophy. Utter bollox for players and fans alike.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

With the greatest respect players want money as well as professional honours. They also see playing in the biggest club tournament in the world as promoting their careers and challenging themselves.
The problem with fans like me as you say is we understand the financials of the game and it’s tired old fossils like you with your misty views of the past that don’t. Players may well tell you they want honours but if they make top 4 they can get a couple of million quid and you’ll get a different answer. I personally hate the way the premiership and the Ecl have skewed the game money wise but until the rewards for winning domestic cups is tangible in comparison to league placings that will be the case. Your argument is that Roma had a better season than us winning the minor European title whereas we finished fourth in a far tougher league and now get to play on the biggest stage in club football shows just how grasp you have of the football landscape and are as outdated as Neil Warnock in your views

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

You call me a tired old fossil when you have no clue as to who I am or how old I am.

Your arrogance and patronising manner would deserve nothing less than a smack in the mouth should we be face to face having this discussion. So far to say all you’ve looked to do is bait myself and others with your nonsense. Go troll somewhere else. I’m done.

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

I never mentioned Roma. Do keep up.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

So if it’s glory and honours that professional sportsman want explain why golfers are joining the Liv tour which whilst enriching them means they won’t play in both the majors and The Ryder cup.
In the same vein why did Oscar amongst others leave Chelsea in this case to play in china?
Over and out

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

You tool, the majority of the golfers who’ve gone to the LIV tour have all won major honours and are already multi millionaires.

Oscar won two league titles and a league cup before he left Chelsea.

Harry Kane has won nothing at Spurs but don’t worry, when his grandchildren say what did you win when you played football grandad, he’ll say nothing, but I helped Spurs qualify for the CL. Ooh grandad can I see your medal or trophy for that…. Oh no, I didn’t get anything for it.

Jeez… You’re stupid !

Last edited 20 days ago by JimmyGrievance
Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

With the greatest respect the fact he will be for my lifetime and I suspect yours Englands top goal scorer will earn him a place in football folklore. He will be a quiz question in the year 2050. He’ll be remembered far longer than Phil Neal who I believe had the most honours until perhaps Ryan Giggs. You strike as the sort of angry man who thinks violence is the answer to those brighter than you, of which I suspect there are many, and I’m not including myself in that.
In Harry’s case do you think his career would been complete if we’d won the League Cup. He wants the big stuff domestically and internationally and for the first time the club is getting the investment it deserves with a top top manager who players play for and without any ego

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

I would imagine that you come across a large number of ‘angry men and probably women too with your supercilious patronising manner.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Not sure I would have wanted a child of mine coached by such a volatile individual. You are clearly out of the Neil Warnock coaching manual.

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
19 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Blah blah

I’d be amazed theres a woman out there wanting to procreate with you and feel sorry for any that have. Imagine being the poor child who’d have to try and live up to your superiority complex.

Last edited 19 days ago by JimmyGrievance
Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Enter the London senior cup that’s a trophy

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Spot on .Top 4 and the FACup after all we beat Citeh twice last year and drew with LFC twice ..
these Press Ofiice interns are so tedious.

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
19 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

Ferguson started domestically before conquering the league and Europe. It’s about creating a winning mentality. Something that’s been missing from Spurs DNA for decades.

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Won Roma their first European trophy for 30 yrs . Conte ‘s performance in Europe has been woeful..we will see.

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

Last time Mourinho was in the final of the premier European competition over a decade ago. None of his previous clubs woukd have him back maybe Porto

Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

With the highest spend in Italian football took Roma from 7th to 6th. Roma fans will be delighted that he has resigned matic from Man Utd on a free

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Won a European trophy though …I guess it’s only important if you win it ..and Insuppose all the Spurs fans who travelled to the final had we got there are muppets as well.

Last edited 20 days ago by Billy Tonsils
Halshaw94
Halshaw94
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy Tonsils

We didn’t get there for many reasons. Roma are buying free transfers whilst we are spending by our standards big money. Italian football is a poor league and Jose has reached his new level. He will never get a big job again, maybe become an international coach like Conte has been.
But don’t tell me that Conte isn’t an upgrade on Jose.

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
19 days ago
Reply to  Halshaw94

Conte is in a fair better position than Conte his reputation for no nonsense tata goodbye are factual ..Levy s record for hiring and firing and winning nothing bur1 league cup is also factual…so to my mind this represents an excellent opportunity for Conte Paratici and Levy ..no flim flam everyone knows where they stand ..about bloody time…the money we have done up the wall…fingers crossed.

East Stand
East Stand
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

I don’t think we ever stood any chance in that final, regardless of if Jose had stayed for it or not. However, the decision to sack him just before it was totally ridiculous…

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  East Stand

It’s if’s buts and maybes… Yeah I get that. But all it did was destabilise the squad and bringing in Ryan Mason as interim certainly wasn’t the answer.

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
20 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

We were spiralling because a lot of overrated players and appalling purchases didn’t like being told they needed to try harder lose weight .
Shameful..at least one of the biggest w=nkers at the could Alli is gone only when Winks and Dier , should be playing for England but no one wants to buy him will the football club achieve real success. “Only the Blind” Parfum Stevie Wonder” to dumb to smell it ..Rub it all over lapdog liniment.

Markp
Markp
20 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

city is not an unbeatable team, we have managed to beat them on a number of occasions, anything could have happened.

Park Lane
Park Lane
20 days ago
Reply to  Markp

Look at our results against the European chasers in that spell. Woeful. City aren’t unbeatable, no, but they were in title-winning form, in a final of a cup they monopolised, and we were a mess.

Anything could have happened, sure, but this Jose revisionism kills me. Vastly more likely we’d have seen a Zagreb performance, or the 3-0 they dished out to us weeks before.

Billy Tonsils
Billy Tonsils
19 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

If there was a bonus for Jose and his team in winning the league cup Dele Welly, Winky Tinky, Danny Dier would’ve thrown it…LevyTubbies….average but obedient..Levy wanted Top4 with a Top 8 squad…greedy little man.

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago

I’ve said it many times. Spurs will never recover from the missed transfer windows. Levy and Poch were complicit in what can only be described as dereliction of duty.

Fast forward…. Conte can concentrate on what are ostensibly one off games. I’d be no less disappointed if we finished trophy less after what has so far been a good transfer window. The only cloud in what is a blue sky is the lack of movement out the door. We can’t hold on to the deadwood. They are like a cancer. They eat away at anything positive in the dressing room and training ground. No loans just get rid.

Our minimum expectation should be winning both domestic trophies. The time is now. Kane & Son are fast approaching the twilight of their respective careers, as is Hugo. We don’t have time for another season of transition. We’ve been there and done that for the last 22 years.

We’ve missed golden opportunity’s, losing the PL title to Leicester and the CL final to Liverpool. If Levy and the board don’t continue with this current backing then expect Conte to walk. The Spurs fans who blindly give their hard earned over for season tickets don’t make a stand and hit the charlatan where it hurts him most. Well then, they deserve all they (don’t) get.

Cali
Cali
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Beautifully put it thanks🙏

Billy the Kid
Billy the Kid
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Poch was complicit? It would take a lot of psychedelic substances to come to that conclusion….Poch essentially begged the club, in public and before the press, only to see Levy sit on his hands refusing to refresh the squad. Put the blame where it belongs, the pocket peeling wee bald man.

Dexter
Dexter
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy the Kid

Exactly. Poch was as complicit in the rapid stagnation of the squad the dinner lady.

Last edited 20 days ago by Dexter
JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy the Kid

Poch said he didn’t need to strengthen and was happy with his lot. Ergo, complicit.

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Billy the Kid

Maybe you should check stuff before you go into print….

“Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino is adamant he does not regret not adding to his squad in the summer and pointed to his side’s joint best Premier League start as justification.
Spurs became the first side not to make a summer signing since the transfer window’s inception, but they have gone on to amass a joint club-record 18 points from their opening eight games, which included back-to-back defeats.
Chairman Daniel Levy hinted this week in a meeting with the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust that he was content with their summer activity, and Pochettino agreed with him.
“It was difficult to achieve the player we needed,” Pochettino said. “That was impossible. I was happy and am happy with the squad that I have, 25 players.
“We have no regrets, we are happy. When we started the season with three games that we won and we were up at the top of the table people were talking in a different way, ‘Oh how clever are Tottenham because they keep all the squad from last season’.”

Dexter
Dexter
20 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

He spoke out to try and force the board into action. When the action wasn’t forthcoming, he toed the party line in the interests of his job. Maybe that makes him a weaker character than the likes of Conté, but certainly not complicit. The buck stops at the top.

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
20 days ago
Reply to  Dexter

If you say you’re happy when your not, you’re complicit in what happens next. More so if you say it publicly. If you have confidence in your ability then you would stand against an employer like ENIC.

Park Lane
Park Lane
19 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Never recover? There’s hyperbole and then there is this. Loads of clubs have a couple of years when mistakes are made, it is not irreversible.

We finished 4th, go in to next season better equipped still, and are on the up.

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
18 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

The point is not strengthening in those windows saw us lose a number of important games. Semi final games, final (s) and then league position. The teams above us didn’t miss a transfer window and have won all the above.

Park Lane
Park Lane
18 days ago
Reply to  JimmyGrievance

Chelsea were literally banned from making transfers one year.

The terrible appointment of Jose cost us as much as those two windows. Dreadful football.

Even then, we barely dipped below our par of 6th (by revenue). Every big club (barring City) have had a couple of lean seasons in the league.

JimmyGrievance
JimmyGrievance
18 days ago
Reply to  Park Lane

All the teams above us and some below have all won stuff in the tenure of ENIC. Chelsea may have had a transfer ban but they had a strong squad available to deal with it. Our first 11 aside we rely on youth team players to fill our bench or players that should’ve been sold years ago.

Comparing us to Chelsea … 😂. I saw somewhere you being called out about bring something to do with the press office. The drivel you post at times suggests they’re right.

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