Date: 28th January 2013 at 12:01pm
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Clearly getting beaten by a gang of men who would look more at home on the door of a Darlington nightclub is a bad thing. Compound this by watching so many of our lot have such a bad day at the office and it begins to seriously sting.

I waded through some mind blowingly stupid post match reactions last night on Twitter. So let’s get stuck straight into this whole let’s buy a striker thing, shall we? Do we need one? Well, let’s first define ‘need.’ This may seem a rather trite way to kick off, but if we’re to distinguish ourselves from a child wandering around Hamleys blindly screaming ‘I want something!’ then it’s a good place to start.

What we need is goals. Goals win games. Taking your chances and actually converting them. It doesn’t matter how poor the overall play is (unless you’re a purist) just get the thing in the net. Let’s look at the current Premier League leader board. See what’s what.

[box type=”shadow” align=”aligncenter” width=”575″ ]Van Persie Man Utd 18 Suarez Liverpool 16 Ba Chelsea 14 Michu Swansea 13 Defoe Tottenham 10 Dzeko Man City 10 Fletcher Sunderland 10 Lambert Southampton 10 Walcott Arsenal 10 Bale Tottenham 9 Lukaku West Brom 9 Aguero Man City 8 Cazorla Arsenal 8 Fellaini Everton 8 Giroud Arsenal 8 Hernandez Man Utd 8 Lampard Chelsea 8 Le Fondre Reading 8 Mata Chelsea 8 [/box]

So looking at that list we have an excellent gauge of not only who’s doing the business but how that happened. What do I mean? Well, van Persie quit Arsenal because he was bored carrying the other 10 and wanted to actually win something before he died. So he joined Manchester United who have some considerable form in this department. Luis Suarez was, so Arry would have us believe, scouted by him but passed on.

Demba Ba’s ambition was to be buried up to his neck in money like a young Pharoah playing that ancient Egyptian game, ‘Bury me up to my neck in money’ so he went to Chelsea. Michu was a player borne of good fortune. He was playing for Rayo Vallecano not St Pat’s Athletic and so it is inconceivable that nobody had heard of him. But it was Laudrup who took the punt. Dzeko was a £27m Man City signing so that one’s a mix of both van Persie and Ba.

I don’t need to go through the entire list for you; you get the idea and the point I’m making is that you can only buy those that want to come and those that are available. The ones that don’t mind the fact that we’ve only 36,000 seats to sell so we aren’t big payers and the ones that don’t mind the fact that the only European football that is more or less guaranteed is the Europa. Securing a striker is quite like committing a successful murder. You need motivation, means and a bit of luck. You can’t just choose who you want to buy or kill. Opportunity will decide this for you.

Curiously enough, we have 3 strikers on our books who not only tick all the ‘Tottenham friendly boxes’ but also at some time or another have made us all wanted to either top them or ourselves. But shouting out names of players that have given no remote indication that they are desperate to join our merry band is beyond futile. It really, really is.

So let’s go back to that child in Hamleys. By now, she’s puce in the face and hanging off a display, threatening to throw herself onto the floor. Determined little bitch, I’ll give her that. ‘I want something!’ It’s arguable that she probably needs nothing. What she needs is to calm herself and when she gets home pay a little more attention to the toys she already has.

AVB inherited a squad that had just been subject to a mugging. The victim had lost two of it’s most prized possessions and was still reeling from the attack. Van der Vaart wasn’t a cash in by the board. The guy wanted to go home. If you read what his wife Tweeted you’ll know this. Alternatively you can call Levy & Co, nasty names. It’s all the same to me. Modric went on strike. So this wasn’t some sinister asset stripping exercise. Not what some want to hear, but hey. The assets left, much like the little girl’s discarded toys at home however, aren’t rubbish. On their day they are a match for the new ones in the word’s most famous toy store.

Yesterday we got busted. I had spoken on the podcast about us getting away with it this season. And yesterday we didn’t get away with it. Player ratings coming up, but my overview is we have far bigger fish to fry than shouting out the names of strikers. We’re fourth from top, not fourth from bottom.

Squad rotation can’t work effectively when the personnel aren’t up to scratch. By this I mean any benefit of rotation is lost when you get damaged by losing, run ragged to no good purpose. Which is precisely what happened yesterday. The need for a striker to me always stems from what the midfield is doing. And by doing, this invariably means, doing wrong. Neither Scott Parker, Sandro or Moussa Dembélé are the ones to routinely provide the killer passes to the front men. It’s tedious to harp on, but until we land a player to truly fill the Modric/van Der Vaart void then what happened yesterday will reoccur.

So if the 3 in the middle we have can’t take the burden that leaves the two on the outside. I’ll rip into Bale properly in the ratings. But I look at Bale and ask myself what is the point of a mobile phone, if it’s switched off? We’ve had the whole Ronaldo wannabe thing and yesterday both he and Azza were infuriating, prepared to offer little more than showbiz XI cameos. Bale should not only be scoring more, but against indifferent goods like Leeds be setting up Dempsey or whoever every 15 minutes. The Bale evolution isn’t working. It’s a regrettable thing to say, but he’s become laughable luxury.

Azza having blown hot and cold since the day we signed him is having by far his best season; but he too was away with the fairies for most of the game and the culmination of all this is that we get what happened at Elland Road. Clint Dempsey is an excellent Fulham striker. He will by default never get 20 goals a season at Spurs without some insanely dedicated midfield boys behind him. Then he might get you a dozen.

Defoe we’ve discussed at length. Turn ping wince/celebrate [delete as appropriate]. The one trick pony who is compensating for his mediocre service by instinctively cutting out the middle man. He’s never had a strike partner in his life. Gets the ball, shoots on sight. And that’s another one who’s aided AVB in this whole ‘getting away with it’ business. 

Adebayor, who has royally cheesed me off with his ACN antics is I believe, potentially dynamite. But not without service. Without service he drops deeper and deeper looking for the ball. He needs a proper midfield behind him. You might recall many years ago that’s what he had at Arsenal. So I’m not guessing at this.

I pray that Holtby is the answer. The omens are good. He wanted to come. Bundesliga to Premier League moves tend to be successful. He might just bring a more cultured attacking offer from the middle of the park and would let Parker and Sandro rotate, opposed to take it in turns to the job of two men. The Moutinho thing strikes me it was dead months ago. So let’s identify another target and move on. Holtby would be a punt and hopefully the money can be tipped up to let Shalke 04 release him.

So do we need a striker? I’ve argued against. I’ve tried to factor in the elements using reason and commonsense. It wouldn’t take a child 1200 words to disagree. Just three. ‘I want something!’

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  • Jamie January 30, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Dawson free header outside his area.

    Three white shirts around him.

    Heads it straight to the only yellow shirt in sight.

    What are we playing at.

  • koko61 January 28, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Striker is our priority.
    Reason = more shots on target than Chelsea and the Arses, and they have a better goal difference.
    And before you say we have let in more, we still have had more shots on target.
    So what is the problem. It must equate to lack of quality strikers.
    Defoe had 38 shots on target and scored only 1 goal, plus all the other chances missed by Ade and the others.

  • Summerspur January 28, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    When do we start the ” having a medical at the lane” that’s my favourite bit

  • zagga January 28, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Better value in the summer? You must be Levy’s personal adviser. Have you seen our losses for the year because we didn’t made it to Champions League. At this point getting a striker is not even an option, it’s something that has to be done. We clearly will not hold 4th place with options we have upfront. Looks like Defoe was playing with pain for the last 2 month. So Levy has 2 options wait till summer with hopes of 2014 Champions League with his brand new summer bargain or be bold and fearless leader who will invest in immediate future – 2013 CL. We need that Champions League!!!!!!!!!!

    • jfdit January 28, 2013 at 6:31 pm

      I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there are very simple reasons why our squad is so threadbare

      our wage bill went up dramatically after our qualification for the CL, the reason we’ve not been buying players is simply we do not have the money in the business to do so. Look closely at the published accounts and the numbers are there in black & white

      a major cull of players has been ongoing to cover the relegation avoidance borrowing when ‘arry landed and this additional wage burden incurred by qualification bonuses

      we allegedly needed to sell modric in order to fund buying Lloris, the timing of this deal appears to confirm this

      Levy is doing his best in line with his business model but we won’t be spending big money on any players period – the moutinho deal was nonsense and considering a proven player like diame is available for 3.5 million looks really poor business

    • untidy January 28, 2013 at 6:42 pm

      OK we lost 4 mil because our revenue was down 20/25mil due to no CL.

      So we need to spend how much to get this player that guarantees CL. Will it guarantee CL. This dodgy economics only works by repeated CL qualification, but how much do we need to spend to achieve this. Part of the answer is a bigger ground but how much is that.

      Yes we need CL football as it is the progression of our club and what we want but pointing at financial figures and stating simples is oversimplified

      Good job you are not DL financial advisor.

      However I share your vision for THFC

  • Razspur January 28, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Better value in the striker market is to be found in the summer, some contracts are up, others have only one year left, the selling club has time to bring in replacements, the European protaganists are known to all, clubs can review finances for the coming season. Those currently in Europe will hold onto their players but will review once out the debt crisis in European countries means the banks will exert pressure on clubs to sell, especially in Spain and Greece, tapping up is much easier in the off season, players bought early in the Summer window will have time to improve fitness and skills as well as get to know the style of play and nuances of team mates. All in all Jan is a crazy time to buy.

    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 5:20 pm

      You’re right. We should have bought one last Summer.

      • Astro Spur January 28, 2013 at 5:23 pm


      • Razspur January 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm

        We did Ade !

  • zagga January 28, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Yeah, we surely don’t need a striker. Clunt will handle it. LOL ))))))))))) Getting rid of Ade will give us plenty of money for a superb striker. Levy should have spend that money on Llorente.

  • Astro Spur January 28, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    I can only presume that this article is to take the piss or cause pointless rows, because anyone in their right mind can see that we need a striker, and have needed one for the last few seasons.

    Any team can always use more good midfield options but that is NOT our main problem. We make plenty of chances, more than most clubs in the league, and we don’t take advantage because we need someone who can put them away on a semi-regular basis.

    Also, I wasn’t aware that you knew the feelings of players about signing for us……don’t keep it to yourself!!!!

    • jfdit January 28, 2013 at 6:37 pm

      astro you’ve been coming on here for long enough, complete piss take is the norm

      we need to face facts, defoe is nearly 30 and getting injury prone so should be moved on, the same could be said of parker

      our striker problems have been compounded by the fact our strikers have the eyesight similar to mr magoo

      most of the time they couldn’t hit a horses arse with a banjo :Whistling:

  • zagga January 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Dembele’s interview proves a point that AVB is having serious problem motivating against weaker opponents. FA cup is obviously something they were not really interested in, despite AVB rants

  • Spurs 37001 January 28, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Does the signing of Holtby mean we are no longer interested in Willian?
    What strikers are available in this window ?

  • BrizzleSpur January 28, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Oh and welcome to WHL Lewis Holtby!

  • BrizzleSpur January 28, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    I say we need some1 better. And yes I mean need not want. We had 2 strikers and we were worried. Now all we have is Dempsey but thats okay because we still need a creative midfielder?
    Sorry H but that type of logic sounds more like an excuse than it does a reason and it doesn’t sound right to me.

    We need better because this current squad will not finish fourth. A lack of options on both wings, in support and up-front make us look very weak. We have some great players but nowhere near enough so any additions at this point are welcome.

    • Jamie January 28, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      I agree with H.

      Loaning an “ok” striker or squad player. Great.
      Buying a sh*t hot young prospect, great.
      Buying an established superstar (ain’t happening this window), great.

      Spanking £10m and a 5 yr contract on an “ok” striker, not for me.

      Ade’s back in 10 days. We’ll play 1 up with Holtby behind, and 2 strikers competing for 1 position.

      Any “ok man”, could end up being frozen out in 2 or 3 weeks. Tough sell unless their going to be no.1 striker.

      • LLL January 28, 2013 at 5:29 pm

        Expecting Holtby to slot right in, adapt to the PL instantly and transform us into CL definites is somewhat fanciful, don’t you think? I mean, it might happen. But it seems slightly unlikely, no?

      • BrizzleSpur January 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm

        Who wants to over spend on some1 who isn’t good enough? I honestly thought that would be inferred by everyone.

        I mean honestly, do we have to state the obvious every time we post?

        Let me also say that I’m not insinuating that a new striker is the answer to our problems.

        What I am saying is that there are several problems and one glaringly obvious one for me is a complete lack of options in almost every area of the pitch. We lack depth and an injury to Bale, Lennon, Dembele will leave us with Thudd and Jake who haven’t impressed me at all.
        Falque is out on loan.

        The window shuts in a few days and then that’s it. So if you can look at our squad and say we have the players to go for the rest of the season and realistically defend our position (because that is what we’re going to do) then fair play. I envy you I wish I was that confident. But our squad, for me at least, doesn’t look the part.

        • LLL January 28, 2013 at 6:24 pm

          Because all those who seek to protect Levy from any sideway’s glances or difficult questions assume that those who are asking where our forwards are would gladly spaff all our cash on a load of crap. As if Levy wasn’t quite capable of doing that without our help anyway (Erm. Bentley? Sigurdsson et al). Actually, they know that nobody is saying that but it subverts the question so that we can all get bogged down in a circular argument about there not being any ‘worth’ in the market or whatever.

      • Jamie January 28, 2013 at 6:48 pm

        LLL is right, there is no guarantee that Holtby is going to hit the ground firing – but following this logic you’d have to say the same is true of the names linked to us as another striker, no?

        Holtby shouldn’t be looked at as some hopeful punt for the future, he’s a starter in a CL team that consistently finishes in the Top 4 of one of the strongest leagues in Europe.

        Ade’s form is a worry but we’re locked in now financially and need to get the best out of him. He’ll be more comfortable with Holtby in behind rather than getting lost in the channels with Defoe.

        I’m highly optimistic about these 2 as a pair. But also in the bigger picture, if we play our cards right on the striker situation, and I genuinely believe next season we’ll begin challenging for the title for the first time in 50 years.

        That is why I’m not fussed about waiting 4 months for the right player. I’ve seen us struggle to move players on for too long, and from now on we must be elitists.

        Vertonghen, Lloris, Dembele, Holtby – this is the standard going forward for the 1st team.

  • Razspur January 28, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Great to see Ade on the scoresheet for Togo, that will help his confidence, another good showing midweek and our Talisman is back in clover. Can’t wait to have him back, would be nice for the Lyon game but def for the Arsenal at WHL on 2nd March. Our season will be saved by the big guy. No need for any more imports until CL has been secured and the summer window opens.

    • Jamie January 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm

      The finals on the 10th (which is HIGHLY unlikely they’ll be playing!), so he’ll at least be on the bench for the 1st leg on the 14th.

      I reckon he’ll be back for Newcastle, or West Brom if they loose tomorrow.

      Fingers crossed eh?

      • jfdit January 28, 2013 at 6:10 pm

        we forget he’s got form for going missing after the ANC

        didn’t he land back at one club a week or so later than expected?

      • koko61 January 28, 2013 at 9:44 pm

        Hope Ade comes back good and makes it for Newcastle game. Last season he was brilliant against them.

  • Trig January 28, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Holtby Diame and van wolfswinkle please top 4 guaranteed holby 1.5 Diame 3.5 wolfswinkle is free in the summer so 2-3 should do the trick

    • Jamie January 28, 2013 at 4:20 pm

      Van Wolfswinkle’s contract runs to 2016, and they’ve been touting £12m in the rags.

      However Diame’s a cracking deal if agents fees / wages are do-able.

      We really need someone to bid for Hudd or Livermore permanently rather than Loan, and someone to take Jenas, Bentley off our hands.

      If I were Levy&AVB I’d be playing down incomings – buyers will be watching and all we’ll get is loan bids and 8/9 CMs on our books in the summer, which will hinder us.

      All one big game of Poker.

  • Spurs 37001 January 28, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Now that Holtby has been signed can we squeeze in another striker by the end of the month.

    • lecoqhardi January 28, 2013 at 4:09 pm


  • Yidinjapan January 28, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    I have no idea at all what Dembele is saying. Don’t Spurs have everything to gain? It’s a trophy isn’t it?

    He is quoted as saying “It is very easy to motivate yourself against them but when you have a team like this [Leeds] it’s a bit more difficult, because they have everything to gain.

    “You have to give extra energy to motivate yourself and maybe that was a bit of a problem for us but we still feel we can win a trophy this season, because there is a lot of quality in our group.

    “It is a bit disappointing that the FA Cup is over but it is great that we have another trophy to get, so we will try to win that one.”

    Really… well at least there is another trophy…will you bovver?

    Sorry … it seems so lackadaisical to me.
    Bye Yidinjapan

    • Yidinjapan January 28, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      It just seems that any analysis of players we need tactically seems redundant with comments like this. It bothers me a lot!

  • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Like I asked earlier.

    Why is Michu out of reach?

    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:35 pm

      He’s just signed a new deal and is playing in a cup final next month,perhaps a potential summer target along with Benteke and the often touted Brazillian bloke, who name I can’t think of (i)

      • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm

        I’d go along with Benteke!

        Raw. But will be very good now and better in the future.

        • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 4:47 pm

          Deffo, I’m sort of hoping Villa go down because they’ll be hard pushed to keep him, but I suspect that mob across the street will be sniffing as will a few other’s, perhaps not the PetroClubs or Utd as he’s still as you say a little raw right now

  • zagga January 28, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    If we don’t keep that 4th place and will be out of Europe ginger boy will be well on his way to Brazil where he wants to be so much. There is no excuses for a horror show we witnessed yesterday.

    • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 3:21 pm

      On what are you basing your drivel?

  • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    HR’s advice to Fernandes.

    Perhaps it should read…”Stick your head in the sand…”

    Who’s bothered what the fans think…they only pay your wages!

    The man has no brains.

  • zagga January 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    To those who think Lennon had a bad day yesterday, he created 2 100% chances for Dempsey and Clunt blew them both. 3 other chances we had is when he actually scored from Bale’s cross from the left, Bale’s solo from the right and when Benny give the wonder pass at the very end. 5 chances against beyond poor Leeds side. They surely created more. So much for AVB talk of winning FA Cup. Walker and Daws should have been in a starting team yesterday. That was a given. Some decisions AVB makes are very strange to say the least. Why would you completely reshuffle your defense, midfield (offence was a given since Defoe is injured) Very limited experience in the game coupled with his lack of experience as a player leads to performances like we saw yesterday. You have to be a dope not to succeed against Leeds and some people here blame Levy for what we saw yesterday. Are you fcukin serious?

  • Yid Vicious January 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    What we need to remember is that we’re not 4th by accident. Regardless of yesterday’s result we’re not suddenly in desperate need of the big signings some have suggested. That said I would still like us to get another striker or winger of some form before the end of the window.

  • nobby nobbs January 28, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    We have also made a decent profit on many players. We have also paid good money for players who have been sold for big profits. Its when we buy not quite good enough we cock up…and I know Bentley, the exception that is a fool.

    • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 2:30 pm

      That applies to all clubs.

      • nobby nobbs January 28, 2013 at 3:48 pm

        Disagree with that Dalgleish and Liverpool cocked up and ManU often pay high and keep players until they retire.

  • Xildnparadise January 28, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Badges? We don’t need no stinken badges? A striker on the other hand…. After yesterday’s debacle maybe Ms. Sandra is available on the cheap. According to red schnapps she’s great with the head. :Happy-Grin:

  • Jamie January 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    As of late December we posted at Companies House that we have £10.3m in the bank.

    It’s why we dragged our heels over Holtby.

    We’ve spent £80m+ on land and consultant fees on the NDP, and £30m NET once the training ground once the Lodge has been sold to Developers.

    At this point it hasn’t.

    We’ve spent £230m NET on transfer fees (not including agent fees, 11-12 season alone was £6.3m) since ENIC took over in 2001.

    They have invested heavily, not always correctly especially in the early years, but those are the resources that have gone into THFC.

    We have to ease our wage bill, and sell the Lodge to free up cash.

    This isn’t ITK, it’s on companies House, the Independent, our annual accounts, and the club website.

    • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 2:24 pm


    • BrizzleSpur January 28, 2013 at 4:19 pm

      Fair play.

    • James the James January 30, 2013 at 8:26 am

      Well said brother. these idiots who constantly berate Levy are just full of shyte!!!! Enic/Lewis/Levy SAVED Tottenham Hotspur from certain death. To say they have not put their money where their mouth is is quite frankly disgraceful. I think these neo-Spurs fans need to do a bit of googling in order to get in to reality, man. Who do they think we are? We are Tottenham. 2 league titles in nearly 130 years… we have been a top six side now for the bet part of 5 years, evolution is slow but this club s not even remotely resembling the club Enic bought. I have never heard booing at WHL before September, not the sort of mass concerted booing that we saw earlier in the season anyhoo, those fans are a disgrace & they are same one sniping at our owners. Fack off and watch those bluenose cnuts from over the other side of town!!! These arry loving knobbers who slated AVB and call for the head of Levy are just not welcome in my opinion, they are reactionary fools…arrrghhhh… I’m getting angry just thinking about them.

  • Spurs4life January 28, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    The facts are simple.

    We sold Berbatov and Keane and have never replaced them with class strikers only second-rate players.

    Fact – you cannot sell players like Modric and VDV and then replace them with lesser players and expect to improve your position.

    Fact – the only person who is responsible for our failure to get into the Champions League is our Chairman who time after time wastes the opportunities afforded by the transfer windows. Does anyone think he was really serious about Moutinho last summer – if so. why leave it to the last day to make your move when you know that Modric is going for at least 3 months beforehand.The same happened when everyone knew that Berba was going.

    Fact – If we invested in a class striker and creative midfielder now then we stand a good chance of Champions League. Without the former there will be another collapse – at the moment if Defoe is really injured we do not have 1 established striker.

    Fact – there are bargains around if Newcastle could find a Cisse, Swansea a Michu, and West Ham a Demba Be – before he went to Newcastle, then surely our scouting network could find someone. What is the point of our strategic links with Internacional in Brazil and Real Madrid – I cannot see whta they do for us – except spin.

    The cost of missing Champions League Football for a 3rd year will lead to further losses so Mr. Chairman do what you need to before another season goes to waste.

  • Jima January 28, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    No striker bought, but Holtby could be the real deal behind Dempsey or Defoe then Ade is back prob end this week start of next

    We had a bad game due for a while, and I’d rather it was in the FA cup, it’s a wake up call and now we bounce back and take 6 points from Norwich and WB away

    We’ll be fine without a striker, get used to it, cause we ain’t getting another so see the positives in what we do have

  • nobby nobbs January 28, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    We need someone who can bother defences have great movement and score goals. In my book that is a Vinyaya ..we need a Vinyaya.

    Disgraceful yesterday AVB doesnt give a toss about the FA Cup.Happy to take the receipt money off the gate. No effort required for that …..shite

  • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    I have to say that Bale could be pesuaded, nay made, to stay if we showed some ambition in the market.

    This window is for fine tuning only. What we need is a defining summer statement and an ambitious blood-letting and transfusion.

    Doing it in bits and pieces is not a good strategy.

    Dempsey and Siggi were bits and pieces.

    • cookiebun January 28, 2013 at 1:54 pm

      But that’s what you’ll get from Levy, not just last summer or this coming summer, but always on his watch.

      • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 2:09 pm

        Bits and pieces were HR’s tactics. Buy cheap and sell on.

        That gives you mundania.

        Levy only works on what his manager asks – and then dips in for a VdV on his own initiative.

        AVB and Levy’s communication will be crucial.

        To create a budget we need to get rid of the deadwood. And I include that mini-roundabout Huddlestone in that number.

    • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      Bruxie/cookie,can you name some players we can afford that would take us forward, taking into consideration our loss of 4.5 mil and been 90 mil in the hole?

      • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 2:15 pm


        Last year’s figures and not counting Modric and Vdv transfers. And their wages.

        £4.5 is about the monthly wage bill – so no great shakes.

        Targeting the less well off clubs – around mid table – in any country will provide better value for money.

        Why is Michu out of reach?

        • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 2:21 pm

          We have bought Dembele,Dempsey,Fryers,Sigi,Ade=approx 38 mil which is not in finances shown.

          • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 2:30 pm

            I know.

          • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 2:31 pm

            Like I said – we need to create a budget.

            • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 2:54 pm

              I thought we had a budget and DL’s merely working within in?

              • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 3:24 pm

                Now, now.

                I’m not LLL.

                A budget commensurate with our ambitions.
                And ambitions to match our budget.

                Pick the bones out of that!

                • LLL January 28, 2013 at 3:39 pm

                  Now now Bruxie. Why bring me into it? Inspite of Essex’s attempts to colour the argument and paint me on one side of it, all I’ve said is that we need strengthening up top in some way and that perhaps it might be the job of the chairman to address this in some way.

                  Pick the bones out of that.

                  • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 3:58 pm

                    I brought you into it because you’d have stuck your oar in anyway.

                    And I’m not you…and I don’t get embroiled in discussions which are not besed on fact…anymore.

                    What you are saying in that last post is basically what I’m saying in the one you to which you replied.

                    No doubt you’ll disagree.

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 5:17 pm

                      Right you are. Just the facts m’am.

                • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:41 pm

                  Well, here’s a start, first up, we’ve no idea as to our current budget, secondly, whatever it is, I say with ablsolute certainty it’s risen considerably since last season, thirdly, there’s the assumption that a warchest is availble, but even the accountants account doesn’t factor in that any debt is detrimental to our next season spend when FFP kicks in, which is why it’s essential to keep spending at a minimal, given our current state of affairs in regards to revenue by commercial means and gates-but let’s not allow those incidentals to cloud the issue- that was meant for we know who btw!

                  • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 4:02 pm

                    He’s above you!

                    Oh, no he’s not!

                    So, in essence, we have some money to match our ambitions?

                    Or, are we under-ambitious?

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm

                      Neither Brux, we is what we is-I can’t see why so many other’s can’t just accept that’s the case-if we had the money and could choose the player-he’d be our’s-I’ve no doubt about that whatsoever-It’s hardly a revelation is it? it’s just not right for us now-unless Levy springs a last mnute rabbit out of nowhere-which isn’t beyond the realms.

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 5:19 pm

                      Right, so if somehow Levy does buy a striker, all your bleating about one not being available will be proven to be based on false assumption, right? Or will you not think about it, just applaud the mystical magician for pulling a ‘rabbit out of a hat’.

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 5:26 pm

                      If’s a bloody huge word LLL, if, if iffy, if but maybe someone who’s strapped for cash maybe? someone who’s got financial problems, maybe? you know IF that’s a possiblity-nice try -No cigar-again!

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 6:13 pm

                      Right. So it’s not assumption at all. You actually do have the bank sheets and an encyclopaedic knowledge of the current transfer market. You have looked at both and have deduced that it just isn’t possible.

  • Sao Paulo Spurs January 28, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Yesterday was so frustrating. I was fully prepped for a rant today but after reading your post I have calmed down :-). Spurs never seem to change. Levy stated that we wanted to keep within the wage structure that FIFA has set out and I agree with that. Upside is: when/If that comes in to play, maybe we will be the best team in the league with the resources we have. Downside is: until the other lot play ball we will be the runners up, the team that showed promise but ultimately could not bring home the bacon. That’s kind of what I expected from us this season so I can’t really grumble. I think AVB has shown that he knows how to put a team together. His problem is the resources at his disposal. We still have Bentley & Jenas on the payroll and I would love to see those two shifted, sharpish so that we can free up some cash for players that are likely to wear the shirt again. I think Syggy and Dempsey were both signed with a purpose and a target in mind. They both have not been brilliant and we have suffered because of that. I still think the squad needs a massive reshuffle, perhaps in the summer once Bale is sold and we know if we have made the CL or not we can properly plan for the future. Top 4 is the priority and I think we have decent chance. Everton & Arsenal will both have their eyes on that spot and AVB needs to make sure we beat them to it. It’s that simple. Until we have regular CL football we will never be able to sign players and compete at the level of the current top 3. So until we have the luxury of millions of pounds coming in from CL football we will have to stay patient and enjoy what we have 🙂

  • James January 28, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    I am just going to throw my opinion into the mix… Yesterday was about fullbacks…
    One returning from injury, not yet upto full speed and one being played ‘in position’ but ‘out of position’ based on this season…. Rotation does work, but we effectively rotated our back five. All of which either hadn’t played for an age, hadn’t played in their respective position or were playing returning from injury/illness.. Caulker is the only exception and he is still learning, so hardly the rock to build the sandcastle on.
    My point though is fullbacks… Naughton is ok… nice to have as a backup… will never be a good left back and will only be ok as a right back.. He does not offer anywhere near as much as walker going forward, is about as good defensively, but lacks anywhere near the pace to make up for his mistakes… He left Caulker exposed quite a bit. Benny is nowhere near on form, he offered little going forward and whilst he was okay defensively, him and Verts do not have any understanding and both were left exposed. All this meant that the two wingers were isolated and the midfield was spread trying to cover up the mess. Parker does ok, but Huddlestone without the ball was nigh on invisible. He is so good with the ball it is a shame, because against teams like leads, you win the game by being good off it not on it. Sandro has been immense this season, not because of his passing, goalscoring or ball control, but because he fought hard broke up play and tackled and intercepted his heart out.
    Sadly Huddlestone gets nowhere near this in any aspect.
    Yesterday showed our current lack of depth in fit fullbacks adn an argument against rotating your entire back 5.
    Oh and Bale needs to seriously take a good look at himself and explain what he thought he was doing on Sunday afternoon.

  • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Now let’s get this straight.

    Darlington nightclubs are not for the likes of Leeds players. Even as doormen.

    InnCognito and the Flamingo were top notch in my day.
    And you could rub shoulders with David Speedie and the like when Darlo won. A rare event indeed.

    On a more serious point – we need a change of striker.

    The problem is we have forgotten what one looks like. And the team has been moulded into a Defoe friendly piece of machinery. The longer we play with the habit, the more dependant we become.

    Even our other strikers – Ade, Dempsey (pseudo striker) and Obika are asked to play to the system.

    The two up front need to be changed to fit in with the team – not vice-versa.

    We don’t need a striker. We have some.
    We just don’t have the right ones.

  • Kevtheyid January 28, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Clints not a striker….What condition will adie come back in? If he comes back at all…you know after the cup of nations there is always a load of AWOL players!!! Do you trust him to come back when told from his mid season holiday? Defoe has been playing hurt (rio’s block will tell you that) our young forward cant get in to the Norwich team….If we had rvp we would be top not utd,rvps don’t grow on trees but not to try and find one is insubordinate on levys part….maybe if he paids scouts instead of private investigaters we wouldn’t be looking over our shoulders at the worst arse anal side in 20 years….As you can tell I love the fa cup and it looks like the players couldn’t give a flying fuck yesterday.that cu.t brown and even the rat stopped being prem lg players 4 years ago wdf!!!!!!!!

  • spursgoliath January 28, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Harry – you’re asking Bale to be a one man team like Van Persie…it took RVP about 10 years to achieve that level. Bale turned up and did what he does, beats the man, looks up, tries to knock in a pass or cross to someone capable.

    He was all on his own, no one else turned up yesterday – no one. The rest of the team couldn’t keep up with him, it was embarrassing – he’s run up the field and then have to toy with the ball for five minutes waiting for the Dumpster to wheeze his way into the box or the Hudd to finally roll up to the edge of the area to take one of his useless swipes at the ball.

    We need a f*cking striker, there was no movement up front, nothing to occupy the opposition defence, Dempsey is not capable of this role possessing neither the pace nor power requird to lead the line/consistently beat his markers.

  • theschoolboy January 28, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    My biggest fear at the weekend was the lack ability we showed in dealing with a hopeful long ball.

    I can sort of understand how Varney got through for the first goal. As a defender you can’t have expected Diouf to have made such a pigs ear of the touch that the ball just went straight on. That said I think we could have been more alive, and I have to say having seen their tactic was going to be ‘heavy on hoof’, you’d think that Caulker would have been more alive to the bit of long ball and head tennis that led to the other goal. Surely he rememebers what football used to be like on park on a Sunday.

    The defending was for both goals lacklustre and I think that deep down they weren’t up for the battle. They will say it mattered but I reckon they will be more switched on for the game at Norwich.

    • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 1:27 pm

      Daws is my man of all seasons.

      • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm

        We could have done with his diagonal ball yesterday.

        All his family were there (he’s a Northallerton lad) and I bet he’s well pissed off.

  • Trinispurs January 28, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    HH I can see your point of view. My only comments are (1) We all know Defoe will never score more than 15 in EPL…he is a half a season striker (2) Ade did the business last year but has not worked out according to plan..this has unpleasantly surprised coach and chairman (3) accepting all of this and what you have already said, I would have liked to see the likes of Obika, Pritchard, Coulthirst, etc. being given some substitute appearances earlier in the season so as to become viable options in desperate times.

  • Eyeball Paul January 28, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    HH, Spurs need a striker – end of….

    Ade is a mercenry, he doesn’t give a hoot about us
    Dempsey is mid-table, Martin Jol era type player
    Defoe is our only threat

    We will not achieve champions league football with the current squad.
    Good news regarding Holtby

    Now let’s get Hooper and someone to put a rocket up Lennon and Bale’s jacksies! That guy Son looks good for Hamburg….

  • cookiebun January 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    When the financial losses came out last week, we were informed that this was mainly due to us not qualifying for the CL. Here we have a situation where we are not capable of beating a championship team with a near ‘full strength’ team, and then the manager comes on TV and tells us they (the royal they) are aware of the risk, playing with an injured and an absent striker but they are prepared to take the gamble. Have you ever heard anything so fcuking rediculous in your entire lifetime. One minute he thinks he can rub shoulders with SAF (who, even though he had three of the best strikers in the premiership) went out and bought VanPersie so as not to gamble with the title this season. This guy is a lap-dog for Levy. He might be a decent manager, but Levy has got himself a manager who won’t rock the boat and that’s what he wanted. So say goodbye to 4th place, that’ll be for the gooners. Thanks Levy.

    • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 1:16 pm

      We have no sugar daddy,or the finance of manure.

    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 1:16 pm

      Coookie, winning or losing to Leeds has no bearing whatsoever on Weds game v Norwich, why are the two being confused here? If yesterdays crap performance is repeated on Weds then fair enough, but cup football and league performances shouldn’t be confused, Defoe would’ve played yesterday if it was a league game, that’s for sure, whether it would’ve made any difference is another matter entirely?

      • cookiebun January 28, 2013 at 1:19 pm

        Oh is that right. Doesn’t make the statement from AVB (that he wants to win every competition) very genuine then does it! The man talks such a lap-dogs speak.

        • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 1:25 pm

          We are what we are, not what you and many other seem to think we are- a bit of a reality check is needed sometimes-and maybe that glass with appear half full?

  • scootdog January 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    i dont think anyone has mentioned the fact that with sandro out,the two centre backs were woefully exposed,parker is very good at times but sandro’s awareness and his protection of the back four are second to none and yesterday’s game highlighted how much we’ll miss THE BEAST. ironically though i think parker was our best player.

    • cookiebun January 28, 2013 at 1:14 pm

      But both goals came from a ball that totally eliminated the mid-field. Having said that, I agree Sandro is missed, he’s massive. What Hudd was doing there, god only knows. Modelling his hair, I suppose. He looks rediculous.

      • scootdog January 28, 2013 at 1:50 pm

        ha ha,someone give him the next penalty to take so he can shave his ridiculous bonce!

  • theschoolboy January 28, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    There is simply not enough bang for your buck available in this situation. If you look desperate you pay desperation prices. The only time you get good value in the TW is at the last minute when clubs are looking to off load a wage. VdV from Real being a case in point.

    If a player of his quality were to come up and would improve the team, Levy has proved he would take the plunge. However scrabbling around for a player will only bring heartache he won’t do again. Another Rasiak anybody?

    Why not take the chance to encourage the youngsters? We have a very good youth team despite Redknapp ignoring them. Building a lasting squad does not happen by buying stop gap players at the expense of a young player banging on the first team door.

    What do you want short term reward? or long term resillience?

    • Hot_Spur January 28, 2013 at 1:39 pm

      Youth team players are not good enough to step straight into the PL. There is a HUGE difference in class. They need to go out on loan to championship clubs and then to lower PL clubs to gain experience and step up through the classes gradually. We have no strikers immediately capable of playing in the first team. No we don’t want a stop gap, we want an established striker for the next 3 or 4 years while the youths are coming through their loan spells.

  • paulp January 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    HH, I can’t believe you refuse see the big fat elephant. You stared it in the face yesterday for 94 minutes, and still deny it exists.

    Look at Man Utd… Last September, they had Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez – any of which would walk straight into our starting line-up – and still they decided they needed to spend another 25m on Van Persie.

    Adebeyor is AWOL, Defoe is injured, and Dempsey is barely a striker.

    We need a striker!

    • Lordy January 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm

      spot on

    • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 1:12 pm

      We are no Manure,the CB’s were at fault ,Demp scored .

      • untidy January 28, 2013 at 1:49 pm

        Correct, Correct (Dont forget the RB as well CB’s) and Kind of

        Dempsey also missed more than he scored especially the chance at the back post

  • Lordy January 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    We do need a striker seeing our stats every game saying we had 20 shots or so on target, when this keeps happening it isn’t being unlucky its being wasteful.
    Everyone was quick top spew praise at Dempsey for scoring in Fergie time the other week when he had missed from 5 yards earlier in the game.
    Michu? Spurs had heard of him , they could of had him for free or for 2 million if some of our x players are to be believed.

    • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm

      TOTAL BS

      • Lordy January 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm

        you make a good point well argued

        • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 1:19 pm


  • Hodgey January 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    To be fair Defoe has been lucky this season, how many chances does he get in a game and how many does he actually convert? yesterday aside he wastes far too many opportunities. If we had a Van Persie or a Huntelaar or even a Hooper our Goal difference would have a much healthier view as would our points tally. The midfield is struggeling Bale has been largely annonymous this season so drop him and give Townsend a proper run in the team. £50m for Bale in the summer? yes please !!! also Hudd/Livermore/Jenas/Naughton/Benmtley are not good enough unfortunately. We want to challenge for the top 3 can anyone say that any of these players would actually even make the bench for the likes of Man U? no then why the hell do we persist with them? sell them and blood the kids in more.

    • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm


  • CincinnatiYid January 28, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    What happened yesterday is pretty clear. Weaker teams put on second tier sides and lost. That would be us and Liverpool.

    Stronger teams put on second tier teams and scraped by, bringing better players in to mop up. That would be Chelsea and, I fear, Everton.

    Harts is right. We need a striker. We need a Modric.

    Levy has the money. Read the shareholders report. He won’t spend it. Is Holtby really done? Hope so, but the Mail is not to be believed.

    It’s not easy being Spurs.

    • VincentianMagic January 28, 2013 at 1:00 pm

      I’d settle for Holtby and Negredo now. The former offers options and hopefully a bit of added creativity. The latter, whilst not RVP would offer us a target man proven in Spain, who has played in the CL and scored goals for his country.

      He is also better than either Defoe or Adeybeyor , but could play alongside either if necessary. If we need to sell Defoe or Ade in the summer then fine.

      If we make the CL perhaps, just perhaps, we can look at the like of Willian, Moutinho and Leandro. Until then, let’s just improve what we have and move on.

    • Lordy January 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm

      We need someone better than Modric, He seems to be one of the double team the way people carry on about him. He was a good player but not a great one teams parked the bus just as much when he was in the team as they do now and for me he didn’t score enough for an attacking midfielder.

      • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 1:12 pm

        Oh, right-Someone better than Modric, so we’re now on the 35m plus for a creative mid, and let’s say 40m for a bang-on striker, what about 35m for a decent CB, as it wa clear yesterday that the two we played we rubbish, maybe 20m for a couple of full backs, because ditto-Hey…are there any oil sheiks reading this..Tottenham need you, but times running out, so hurry!

      • Hot_Spur January 28, 2013 at 1:28 pm

        Modric is/was not an ATTACKING midfielder, he is a PLAYMAKER. There is a big difference which most fans don’t understand. There is nobody better than Modric at WHAT MODRIC DOES, which is ball retention, distribution and dictating tempo. He was a deep lying midfielder, scoring goals was not his job. RM are playing him out of position, a number 10 role in which he is not comfortable and hence why he’s not doing very well.

        • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 1:42 pm

          Ball retention and the abilty to keep momentum moving at pace..not stopping, turning, looking, and turning, which allows the opposition time to regroup and reform their defence-massive loss to us and irriplaceable IMO, so why harp back-they’ll never be another-so surely AVB had to change our style, he no other option

          • Hot_Spur January 28, 2013 at 2:13 pm

            I wasn’t harping back, just putting Lordy wise on his misunderstood assessment of Modric.

            • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm

              That came out wrong, and I apologize, what I meant was simply that losing a talent like Modric is impossible to replace, and despite losing him and King, we’re no more or less worse off than last season.AVB has had to change the whole ethic and midset of the team, so I’m OK with how things are and not overly worried about yesterday at all.
              In many ways I’m actully more impressed, because AVB has practically had to rebuild the side, although I preferred the HR team from a spectators viewpoint-as I said, we are what we are!

  • VincentianMagic January 28, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Have to disagree about the not needing a striker tone of the article. All the top teams have a CF that can constantly hurt the opposition – someone that can get 20+ a season and that forms the focal point of the attack.
    Currently we have Defoe who has scored 20+ maybe once in his PL career, and who offers no hold-up play, no aerial threat and cannot adopt anything but a shoot on sight philosophy. Adeybayor is a better target man and we play better with him when playing five in midfield. That siad, he has been injured and out of form, and is currently away in the ACN.
    Dempsey is a decent player, but isn’t a natural CF; more of a link-up manin the Sheringham mode (albeit not as good), who can also cover the LW. He gets in good positions and is a useful squad player.
    Is this enough for a team trying to get a CL place? IMO it is not.

    I agree that buying for the sake of it is not an option – Rasiak anyone! What I find astonishing is that a team with CL aspirations and run by ‘savvy’ businessmen can’t see our shortcomings and find a solution. We don’t have to spend big either, just utilise our scouting system better – Michu anyone?

    If we blow a good position for three years running then questions have to be asked. If the new stadium is swallowing all the funds then fair enough, I’ll lower my expectations and settle for being a competitive top half team that should be aiming for the Europa places. At present it’s infuriating being so close to being a very good team, only to fall short at the final hurdle each year.

    I guess only those behind the scenes will no the real truth.

    • Billy Fiore January 28, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      Spot on!

  • Hartley January 28, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    We need a striker, why are we having a debate?

  • Mr Spiggott January 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    I don’t get the point that its ok cos we’re 4th it’s good.

    4th can turn to 6th in weeks and Sandro is a huge loss.

    Dembele, Benny and Parker have returned from injury and could be fragile goods.

    Defoe with a rumoured injury and Ade AWOL and we could be facing worse than “just” missing out.

    I’m bored of being a nearly side and levy needs to match our achievements with some investment.

    I’m loving how well we’re doing but as HH says we are getting away with it.

  • kaiskama January 28, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Is this the start of our now annual post Xmas slump ?
    I know we got a draw against Manure but we failed to beat bottom of the league QPR and now this loss to a mid-table outfit from the 2nd division.

  • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    At no time had AVB ever said we don’t need another striker, what he clearly said is we’ll make do with what we’ve got for now. That’s a huge difference, as it clearly indicates that a striker that’ll fit our requrements isn’t available, so what’s the point in buying one that won’t fit the bill or budget? All I keep reading is we need another striker, but who it is always seem to be missing-oh, yeah, I forgot, we’re not here to do AVB’s job for him!

    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 12:43 pm

      Come off it, this is such a weak, weak argument. Our need for a forward is so dire that I’d even be ‘OK’ if we bought Pav back – you know the half-useless bloke we flogged off and didn’t bother replacing last January? You expect us to muddle through with ‘what we’ve got’ to a top 4 position? You realize the stakes that we’re talking about don’t you? You absolutely believe there is noone in the whole, wide world who we could buy and pay to put the ball in the net a few times between now and May?

      • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 12:47 pm

        How is it a weak argument? I’d say those are the words AVB used did he not? Why on earth do people like you really think we’re one of those clubs who can afford to buy big names on a whim,are you confusing us with someone else or do the facts of the matter not speak clearly enough?

        • LLL January 28, 2013 at 12:56 pm

          Did you read what I said? When did I mention ‘big names’? Is Pav a fecking big name all of a sudden?

          Poor old Tottenham. Poor old Levy! We can’t afford any strikers, we will have to do without!

          Like I said: the stakes are high. Win a CL spot – 25m windfall. Miss out – another 5m loss? Or more?

          • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 1:05 pm

            So you’re saying we should just buy anyone who happens to wear the number 9?, you really should go into football mangement LLL, you’re an absolute genius, I wonder why AVB or levy haven’t thought of that?

            • LLL January 28, 2013 at 1:11 pm

              I think it’s rather more intelligent than you because you seem to believe that footballers capable of scoring goals are like unicorns and either way are way, way beyond the reach of a poor little poverty-stricken club such as Tottenham.

              • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 1:19 pm

                no LLL,I’m saying simply that a Unicorn is about as realistic as your evaluation as to what and where we are as a club right now?

                • LLL January 28, 2013 at 1:28 pm

                  It isn’t realistic for a club chasing a top 4 finish and the financial bounty that that entails to dip their toes into the market and take a calculated risk on strengthening an area where we are hideously short? It isn’t realistic to believe that ‘making do’ carries with it the very real risk that the club will once again narrowly miss out on the targets set by the owner? Please do explain, it appears I’m in bad need of a reality check

                  • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 1:42 pm


                    • Bruxie January 28, 2013 at 2:37 pm

                      You seem to have a monkey on your back about the club’s finances.

                      DL isn’t a fool when it comes to money.

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:04 pm

                      Portsmouth, Aston Villa, Rangers, soon to be QPR, if their gamble fails as looks likely-all recent, all up shit creek

                  • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:02 pm

                    That’s your opinion ,which is fine, no problem, however it doesn’t quite suit the club you’re following, perhaps you’re confusing us with Chelsea or Man City-but it’s certainly not us,and hasn’t since the formation of the PL!

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 3:08 pm

                      Don’t insult my intelligence with piss-poor comparisons to Portsmouth and Rangers. There is NO comparison worth making there. Also, don’t duck the debate by stating the blindly obvious that we don’t have City’s resources. I haven’t for one moment suggested that we have, nor that we splash 50m on a striker. Try and engage with the debate sensibly instead of retreating to stock retorts!

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:14 pm

                      LLL, you’reall chat mate, you offer nothing to the debate other than fanciful gambles on non exsistent players paid for by non exsistent money, so look at the FACTS,and they don’t back up your argument in any shape or form, do they?

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 3:41 pm

                      What are you offering to the debate? Your basic argument is that strikers don’t exist, that they aren’t an option for us. Any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 4:41 pm

                      nope, I’m not saying that at all a well you know-I’m saying spending 7-8m on players not worth 1.5 is stupid, whereas you’re saying spend x amount regardless of their ability-which is equally as silly-the beginnig of this was you saying AVB said we don’t need another striker-clearly and factually he said no such thing-and I repeat he said ” We have to gamble on what we’ve got!’ that is not the same thing no matter how you try to twist it-am I right?

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm

                      Yes, I know. Your argument is based on this strange assumption that a. we can’t afford a striker or b. any striker we can afford is over-priced and therefore not worth buying. This in itself has little recourse to any ‘facts’ and is only in place to service your unconditional, unquestioning, evangelical worship of the chairman.

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 5:32 pm

                      Are you really that thick? I’m saying clearly-that spending over the odds for a player is stupid-paying under the odds to a team desperate for cash, but has an asset is good business-ffs grow up eh?

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 6:17 pm

                      It suits your argument to keep presenting mine as if I am advocating going down the market to buy an overpriced cart horse. It’s pretty juvenile stuff to be honest, ironic that you tell me to grow up while offering such childish aversion tactics. It isn’t getting us anywhere either. When you have the balance sheets etc that back up all your claims, please share them with us all.

            • Cambridge Spur January 28, 2013 at 1:33 pm

              I can’t believe what I read from you sometimes, you often make a lot of sense but if we are to go by your comments we will never sign another player ever again. First off it’s absolute rubbish that we won’t sign a striker because we can’t afford it, who in this league, actually this world, actually only spends money that they have. You live in a fantasy world my friend, I suppose you haven’t got a mortgage or a car or a credit card? Life! The facts are we need a striker, they do not necessarily have to be better than what we have but provide cover and competition for places. We have no contingency plan for loss of form, injury or if we need to change tactics during a game. Before you come back with who? Give me names etc etc blah blah blah?! I’m not a scout paid to travel the world and unearth players but after yesterdays game that lad who scored Leeds second looked better than what we currently have.

              • Cambridge Spur January 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm

                This was a reply to Essexian by the way

                • LLL January 28, 2013 at 1:46 pm

                  Yeah I know. But in response, I find Essex makes plenty sense until you flirt or hint at a suggestion that our chairman may not be the immortal all seeing benevolent master of the universe he would have us all believe him to be. It’s his achilles, if you will.

                  • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 2:51 pm

                    LLL,any better suggestion as regards to Levy?, how about you starting a fans buy out or lobbying an Oligarch or 2?, it’s easy commenting on a government when in opposition, much like there are many wise generals after the battle!

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 3:12 pm

                      What would the point of me suggesting better chairmen? It’s besides the point, it really is.

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:20 pm

                      well you’re always slating the one we’ve got-so no better suggestions-I’m sure the Levy out brigade will be enlightened-perhaps loking at our current position would indicate that we’re there because of and not in spite of him-but I’m open to persuasion!

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 3:25 pm

                      Always slating him? I would say that I usually give him a lot of credit, you are just incredibly sensitive to any whiff of criticism about him.

                      There are a number of reasons why we are where we are and Levy is definitely one of them. No reason why we can’t strive to be better. Is there?

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:50 pm

                      So, how much is needed to get better? any idea’s? ambition’s fine dreaming’s fine, paying the piper?diffrent scenario, but give it a go, I could spend millions and you wouldn’t recognize the side, but I’m a realist with an understanding of our limitations that’s all.

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 5:15 pm

                      I don’t think you have any more understanding of the limitations of the club than I do. How’s about for this, based in fact. Last Summer we had (according to the club) 22m to spend on a midfielder. If so, what has happened since then that we now have nothing to spend in an area we are in quite dire need?

                • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 1:49 pm

                  Don’t be absurd and start falling into the LLL mode of quick fixes. Before thinking of getting players in you have to be realistic about what you can spend on them surely? So, what else are you suggesting, spending what we don’t have, if so how much over budget do you suggest we go? 10m-20-25m? How about spending all next years TV budget while we’re at it or even cashing in on future season ticket sales? I’m simply saying-we are what we are, and we’ve got what we’ve got, and there’s no point whatsoever in getting ‘anyone’ in fact we as well play the likes of Coulthirst, Obika, Lancaster, than buy a 7m player like Hooper, who’s only worth 1.5 at best!

                  • Cambridge Spur January 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm

                    Of course I don’t want to see the club making stupid decisions and wasting money but calculated risks are always taken in football and always will be. The youngsters you mention, I’d love to see us put a few on the bench from time to time, from what I hear they are supposed to be promising. However that has never been the way we do things either. Yesterday was prime example, why was it Obika on the bench? The lad has been around quite sometime now, we all know he will be playing for Yeovil or someone of that ilk in the next year or two. We are crap at bringing through our own youth players. The fact of the matter is Levy doesn’t buy players that we need only players for business reasons. The last player he bought that was absolutely necessary was Parker, and even though he’s getting a bit of a slating on here lately you cannot argue that he was perfect for us last season. Why didn’t we take a calculated risk on Llorente? Spanish international, coming to the end of his contract surely he would have been worth the risk?

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 2:48 pm

                      I agree, Obika was possibly the worst choice, and I have no idea why he’s still at the club, having failed in alomst every loan move-but that’s anothe issue, it’s the managers choice and he lives or dies on those. My concern is the club-and there are not players available that are of any use to us available-or else they’d be signed by now I’d have thought?

                  • LLL January 28, 2013 at 3:10 pm

                    Yeah, it’s absurd to suggest that a top 4 side try and sign someone who might score a couple of goals. Absurd!

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:23 pm

                      anyone in mind?, you’re doing it again-all chatter, all patter-but no idea, as per- have younot even a inkling? go on, tell me who? I’d love to know, how much as well, would be nice?

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 3:29 pm

                      There isn’t any point. Anyone I mention, you will tell me either that we can’t afford them (even though you have no idea if we can or can’t) or they are no better than we have or not good enough (even though you aren’t a professional football scout). Because you fail to recognize that we actually need cover and options as much as improvement on what we have.

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:44 pm

                      Then what are you wittering on about then? FFS LLL, should I blame the missus for not bringing home caviar then I’d given her enough to buy bacon?

                    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 3:47 pm

                      And I like you realize that we need a striker, as do AVB and Levy-there just isn’t one available, how many more times, you’re like a child sometimes-you cannot have what’s not there-full circle we’ve gone now, I think?

                    • LLL January 28, 2013 at 5:16 pm

                      Essex, since you don’t have the club’s finances to show me and neither do you have an inexhaustible knowledge of the global player market, you are not in a position to tell your child that he isn’t entitled to a striker, that one doesn’t exist.

                    • Essexian76 January 30, 2013 at 2:23 am

                      I know far more than you’ll ever know-which why you continue trying to score points when all the evidence points clearly suggests you’re wrong-but that’s nothnig new eh?

        • johns January 30, 2013 at 12:59 am

          There are are strikers out there,you just a bloodhound to find them.
          May I suggest we need to sign a bloodhound or whatever the plural of thems is..

          • johns January 30, 2013 at 1:01 am

            Blud Hound…now that has to be a chant!

      • daz January 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm

        HEAR HEAR LLL, we wouldn’t even need a major striker, just someone who knows where the onion bag is at least half the time, Levy is a serious cancer on the club now and what should we do once the clubs been diagnosed with it?? ERADICATE IT

      • James the James January 30, 2013 at 8:19 am

        I do not for a moment think Pavlyuchenko would have been warming the bench as he was under Harry, I always liked Pav, he is better than Adebeyor and Defoe combined. Never got a fair crack from HR.

  • lieutenant lamb January 28, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    our minimum need goals! damiao and willian in £32.m then adebayor defoe out £12.m total spend £20.m class! & maybe top 3-4 lol north london spooks! casuals dudes-posse-outlaws yid army!

    • untidy January 28, 2013 at 1:43 pm

      I take you have lined up a buyer for both our strikers, sorted out the 3rd 4th and 5th party ownership of Leandro (Who it appears is in poor form after injury).

      Willian would be nice if you have sorted it, Cheers

  • Hot_Spur January 28, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    For “we don’t need another striker” read “Levy refuses to buy one”

  • cptcaveman January 28, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Although I totally agree with the whole innovation from midfield stance, I still believe we need a striker (when available) to finish the opportunities. Its not about ‘I want I want’ its a case of ‘I Need I Need’. Defoe has provem himself competent but he needs too many of these chances to get a goal…as does Ade whos first touch is mostly embarrasing. Now I know the age old question will arrive in reply form ‘who?’ and that I cant answer but then im not paid a shed load to do so… If players like Ba and Michu can be found….then we must look harder. Harry, you make out we are the kids that have just thrown our toys from the pram overnight…but we have been waiting since last winter, and that failure to sign cost us a Champions League place…surely we cant let it happen again?!

    Yesterday we ‘The Spurs’ supposedly a top four side, played a Championship side with only one recognised striker in our ranks ( a young upstart who had bearly even played for the first team) and even he started on the bench. This whole situation is embarrasing.

    • Mr Spiggott January 28, 2013 at 12:36 pm

      Agreed. The only side that can play well without recognised strikers are based in Spain.

      We’re more Farcelona than Barcelona at the moment.

    • Essexian76 January 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm

      ‘Supposedly a top 4 side?’ Last time I looked we were or did something happen to change that?

      • cptcaveman January 28, 2013 at 4:19 pm

        Do I really need to reply?? I think you understood my point Essexian!

  • Mr Spiggott January 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Not sure in the current financial climate we’ll get anything near a Villa/Ardiles moment at any time soon. Levy simply doesn’t run the club that way.

    What I’m looking for is something more akin to a Klinnsman/VDV moment.

    To dare is to do.

  • Urbane Sturgeon January 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Today we hear simultaneous reports of the Germany under 21 attacking midfielder of a captain coming in and the only striker we have left possibly needing an operation. We’re never boring.

    We need two strikers in my opinion, if ‘necessary quality’ is any sort of relevant issue.

  • CLaw January 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    We were poor yesterday. Leeds wanted it and we thought we could just take it. Caulker and Vertonghen looked like they’d never played football before, let alone at centre half.

    On the striker front I’d argue that we DO need another striker. Know what you’re saying about the guys behind them but with the chances we’ve created this season we should have scored more. Our lack of options up front was painfully on show yesterday with Ade at ACoN and Defoe injured. Dempsey is NOT a striker and Obika I just don’t think is it up to it.

    Unfortunately, I have no idea of who we could realisitcally sign. Can we afford any of the guys on that list that would actually improve us? Even if we can, would they want to join us?

    One thing I always look at to judge our squad or first XI, would any of them improve a Utd, City or even Chelsea? I’d argue that a number of our squad would but can’t say that about our strikers.

    Onwards and upwards to Norwich with Defoe banging in a hat-trick

  • LLL January 28, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Illogical gibberish. No matter what the midfield is doing, our strikers aren’t up to taking advantage of it.

    Defoe: One dimensional and now we discover has been playing with an injury for 10 games or so. Perhaps why he hasn’t scored in that time. Now may need an operation.

    Dumper: Not actually a striker – sporadic goal-poaching midfielder of limited dimension.

    Adebayor: Has scored one league goal this season. Is he trying to beat Crouchy’s record of a few years back?

    Now, if you look at that and conclude that what we don’t require a striker then I’d conclude that you are either on the wind-up or on the crack.

    • Urbane Sturgeon January 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm

      Touche, triple L.

    • daz January 28, 2013 at 12:45 pm

      I seriously hope hes on a serious wind up cos otherwise it shows just how thick as custard most of our fans really are…we need a creative midfielder, spare winger and striker END OF, the people who agree with 100% shouldn’t ever be allowed to enter WHL or support QPR or Aston Villa because this is about to become a huge letdown…I so cannot wait till we unleash the potent duo of Jermaine Jenas and Brad Friedal upfront, the top 3 must be pooing their pants

    • CincinnatiYid January 28, 2013 at 12:46 pm

      Deuce–5 goals in 5 games. How is this “sporadic”?

      • LLL January 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm

        Dumper – 5 goals in 18 league games: sporadic

        • CincinnatiYid January 28, 2013 at 12:58 pm

          Episodic, not sporadic.

          Lets wait til the end of the season and then judge.

          I am amused at the emergence of the new categories “good Fulham striker” and “good Spurs striker”.

          Which is Berbatov?

          • LLL January 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm

            Berbatov is both. Dempsey is not a CF, certainly not fit to play as lone striker. No offence to our somewhat sensitive American friends.

            • CincinnatiYid January 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm

              No offense taken. I still believe that at season’s end Deuce will exhibit stats worthy of the Mighty Spurs.

              • LLL January 28, 2013 at 1:13 pm

                I like the guy. I don’t think he’s a very stylish or super talented player but he is 100% committed and that counts for a lot. He has scored some important goals and will score some more, of that I’m certain. However, and most pertinent to this debate, he isn’t a CF.

                • CincinnatiYid January 28, 2013 at 1:28 pm

                  Agreed. We both agree that we need at least one pure striker. And we will not be getting one. Perhaps Holtby can help Ade raise his game.

                  • James the James January 30, 2013 at 8:16 am

                    I do not think you can even categorise Berbs and Dempsey as being in the same profession. Berbatov is hands down the best striker we have had for 30 years except for perhaps Klinsmann. I would bt my own ears off to have him back.

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      • Deano January 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm

        Agree 100%
        There is no pleasing some people

    • Jan Vertiginous January 30, 2013 at 10:14 pm

      “…of limited dimension”.
      Like it.

  • Urbane Sturgeon January 28, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    “It’s a regrettable thing to say, but he’s become laughable luxury”.

    I remember the same thing being said about Hoddle.

  • Mr Spiggott January 28, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    HH, I could not agree more about Bale.

    If you weigh up what he offers as a player against his current value as a sellable asset then the scales are tipped firmly in the direction of cashing in whilst the going us good.

    There’s this great threat of him leaving looming all the time thanks to a combination of our press and the Real Madrid PR dept so you always get the feeling it’s inevitable he’s gone. If that truly is the case then lose him this summer and allow AVB to construct a truly great side capable of balance and rotation.

    Not sure about Holtby but that’s my ignorance about what he might bring to the party.

    Disagree about the need for a striker as none of ours carry the tag of “class act”. Sure they all have their strengths but not one strikes fear into the hearts of the opposition simply by being on the sheet. I’m not suggesting we need to spend massively we need to be clever.

    Bringing in a class striker would lift the club and fans and contribute way more than just a genius in boots. And that is what we need right now – to feel like we are genuinely taking the next step.

    We’ve been using the word “clearout” for about three years. I despair at the sight of Bentley, J***s, and Thud at the club. Car boot sale or eBay just get rid.


    • James the James January 30, 2013 at 8:15 am

      I think we should sell Baley now, I get the distinct impression that he has had his best days for us. He IS undoubtedly over-rated, much the same way as Modders was, if we can get anything like 40m spons for him, sayonara bigboy.

  • kaiskama January 28, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    HH — good well argued article.
    I agree with most of your points, but I still believe we need a striker. We do create enough chances per game, but we seem to miss most of them.
    Yes, Dempsey scored yesterday. But he converted one of possibly 4 or 5 clear cut chances. He is, as U say, a good Fulham striker. He is not a good Spurs striker.
    Yes, we badly need a Modric and VdV replacement, someone with the killer ball.
    But added to this we need someone who can convert the killer ball.
    If we dive into a ficticious world and imagine where we would be if we had signed a RvP or a Suarez ??

    Keep up the good work. Always assured of a good read on yr blog

  • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Vert was a shadow of the player that started the season,Caulker was Sh*t, they carry the can for yesterday imo.

    • untidy January 28, 2013 at 1:36 pm

      And Naughton, its OK, Just because most have been calling for him to start on the right for months now we can still be honest

  • Urbane Sturgeon January 28, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    We’re 4th from top. And a point closer to 5th than 3rd.

    • daz January 28, 2013 at 12:49 pm

      we’re only 4th because the others are doing crap around us, FACT

      • untidy January 28, 2013 at 1:35 pm

        Or to reword

        we are only 4th because we are doing better than those below us, FACT

    • J January 28, 2013 at 7:13 pm

      That was all before we lost our strikers. It will be a crying shame if this doesn’t force Levy to overspend on someone, anyone! Deuce and Sigg show that you can never be sure who will come good, so take a chance!!!

  • lecoqhardi January 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Defoe is carrying an injury, gets by on injections.
    Adebayor is not a ‘natural goalscorer’, misses too many chances.
    Dempsey can score but is not top notch.
    So, twirling my little pigtail around my finger, “I want a striker!”

  • Finn January 28, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Not into over-reacting H, but we do need a striker!

    Defoe is a one trick pony and is injured, Ade is MIA and has been inconsistent at best and Dempsey frankly proves how poor our options currently are by showing that even a mediocre talent can score consistently with the service that is currently eing provided.

    We will need more potent finishing options on an ongoing basis and frankly starting next season with what we currently have is a frightening prospect: if so then why not now. A decent ‘A’ grade striker will be instrumental in getting CL next term, without options we will risk the sort of results we saw at the seasons start.

    Its time we pushed the boat out; I am assuming DL is working on this and will be disappointed in him if he does nothing between now and the end of the window.

    • lecoqhardi January 28, 2013 at 12:22 pm

      AVB has said very recently that we aren’t buying. Prepare to be disappointed in DL.

      • Mattaay January 28, 2013 at 4:54 pm

        He also said we wouldn’t buy anyone in the transfer window and we’ve gone and got Holtby (albeit in desperation). So we can’t really tell what’s going to happen… We need to get used to not having a manager who s willing to tell the media what they want.

  • ronwol196061 January 28, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    I cant buy the rotation story after watching our lot yesterday.We had enough good players on to hurt Leeds and we didnt.
    Its to do with having a mentality for the cup. Leeds had little quality and yet we almost didnt touch them in any deoartment.
    We were wet noodles.Not the missing messiahs,just a lack of inspiration and desire.

    • daz January 28, 2013 at 12:50 pm

      errmmm we didn’t even have a striker

    • Eyeball Paul January 28, 2013 at 1:10 pm

      The Eyeballer concurs Ronwal – overhyped premadonna pricks took to the field yesterday, with our shirts on!

      • ronwol196061 January 28, 2013 at 6:56 pm

        People talk about Honour. Sometimes they talk about Suarez’s negative traits.I hate those traits as much as anyone does.But he has one thing. He gives everything. They too did bad yesterday but he has played like a trooper all year. Give me that.
        We came to take sweets from a baby and they stole our Chateaubriand

  • philmccrackin January 28, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Holtby done

    • daz January 28, 2013 at 12:49 pm

      not enough