Date: 5th April 2018 at 8:05pm
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I’ll preface this by declaring my first-hand awareness of how it is on Merseyside. This isn’t written from the perspective of some imbecilic cockney who’s only experiences of Liverpool have been from watching football matches and Harry Enfield sketches. I had the misfortune to spend 2 years living in a pretty decent spot in Wallasey, popping occasionally into both the down at heel Birkenhead and the rather more refined Heswell as well as frequenting Liverpool itself at least twice week.

The following is an exercise for me in selecting what to leave out of a piece of prose that has a voluminous amount of background material. Let’s settle for some edited highlights.

What the The Sun newspaper got away with, aided and abetted by corrupt officials is a matter of particularly despicable record.

So why then was The Sun still sold in the city centre in numerous outlets? The common trick was to have the pile turned face down but it was still sold openly. I used to walk up Bold Street towards the bombed out church and pick up all the newspapers before sending out prompts to football interns in a former existence. There was a nice bar off a side street I particularly favoured. They had Ashai on draft. Bliss.

So why then were Sky football matches broadcast illegally from dodgy digital boxes in pubs – even city centre pubs – when if the contempt for Murdoch was legitimate there were always other channels available?

The answer to both of these questions is that was all about manipulating situations.

Up there, there is an endemic ‘pity me – and what can get out of being pitied’ culture that one can only believe existed well before Hillsborough occurred.

I was on a bus going into Liverpool once and two lads who had been at school together bumped into each other for the first time in a decade. They were catching up and one said that his last job was working for some company or other up until the previous summer. The other chipped in, ‘They went bust and you was (sic) laid off?’ It emerged he had simply been fired for theft. The point of this anecdote is NOT to portray all Scousers as chancers; rather to highlight the very widespread default setting that they as a breed are forever fighting wave after wave of injustice.

Outside of football, one’s parameters of grief are frankly infinite. There is so much broken and awful with the world, if you really do need to cling onto misery there’s so much death and debris about you really have to compete in order to make any Top 10.

Just within the confines of football 56 died and 265 were injured in the Bradford City fire of 1985. Yet it this gets close to zero media attention. Who reading this was aware it was on May 11th of ’85? No, me neither.

The Heysel Stadium riots claimed 56 lives. Does anyone reading this know what date that ‘anniversary’ is commemorated? No me neither.

Last night, a sizeable number of Liverpool fans took time out form playing the Grief Junkie Card to attack and effectively destroy the Manchester City team coach. This video footage os from a press Association journalist.

Merseyside Police are conducting enquiries to identify those responsible for throwing objects at the bus, while Liverpool have condemned the attack and vowed to support City in establishing the facts of what occurred.

Match Commander Superintendent Paul White said: “We are aware that damage was caused to the Manchester City team bus as it approached Anfield stadium ahead of the Liverpool v Manchester City match.

“Thankfully no-one on the bus was injured, but injuries were caused to two of our officers when projectiles were thrown towards the bus. The officers and stewards are there to protect the public and keep them safe.

“This behaviour by a number of people who threw bottles, cans and pyrotechnics towards the bus is completely unacceptable and we will conduct enquiries to identify who was responsible and bring them to justice. We worked very closely with both clubs to ensure the safety of the public and the teams themselves, and it is disappointing to see that a number of people behaved in this appalling way.”

Press Association Sport understands UEFA’s disciplinary body is awaiting reports before deciding whether to open a case.

Despite the attack on the bus taking place in the streets surrounding Anfield, there is scope for European football’s governing body to take action should it deem that to be an area the host club are in control of.

Article 16 of UEFA’s regulations about order and security at matches states “host clubs and national associations are responsible for order and security both inside and around the stadium before, during and after matches.

“They are liable for incidents of any kind and may be subject to disciplinary measures and directives unless they can prove that they have not been negligent in any way in the organisation of the match.”

This is in a city that courts sympathy ad infinitum upon precisely THIS issue. This is from a fanbase that has grieved publicly on an unprecedentedly industrial scale because of negligence at a football match.

This is from a fan base that absolutely will, whether it is acknowledged or not, hold a monumental amount of sway when the issue of Safe Standing comes to being green-lighted or not across the Premier League.

Surely it is time for Liverpool fans to acknowledge that when it comes to lessons having been learned, they themselves are not wholly trustworthy in this arena. They are no longer the arbiters of ethics when it comes to the endangerment of human life at a football match.

The Manchester City bus was burned out. There is no, ‘yeah but…’

 
Comments
  • Aside from cerebrospinal fluid, what's on your mind?

  • Urbane Sturgeon April 6, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    My wife can’t stand the Puddle of Liver for much of the above reasons and I don’t afford them any interest either. A breath of fresh air article; nice one Aitch.

    Demanding unconditional support for a past injustice to oneself while simultaneously dishing out injustices. There is, sadly, a lot of it about.

  • Harry Hotspur April 6, 2018 at 10:01 am
  • Camus April 6, 2018 at 9:25 am

    I’ll generally give anyone the time of day and I’ve met a few Scousers and they’ve tended to seem like nice chaps who are up for a discussion about anything. But when it comes to football they have this puffed-up pride thing dating back to their dominance in the 70s and 80s, even if they were just young kids then. Their eyes mist over while they’re talking and they’re lost in some fantasy again… Somehow, they’re better than you, even when the PL table says different, as in recent seasons.

    Even the non-Liverpudlian Pool fans have it. That puffed-up pride. One of my mates is from Manchester but is a Pool fan. He’s full of it – they’re going to win the Champions League now, it’s a given he thinks. Last year it was the Europa 🙄

  • Camus April 6, 2018 at 8:57 am

    They’ll get a fine, at most.
    Sky and the media will be desperate for them to win the CL.

  • Gus April 6, 2018 at 7:39 am

    Where were the cops? Unbelievable that this shit happened before the game. They should have

    Liverpool FC should be made to play any future matches behind closed doors or lose their home field rights

    • OrganicPaper April 6, 2018 at 9:01 am

      They will probably be lauded for their ‘tough stance’ on ‘rooting out the 1 or 2’ bad eggs that caused the trouble. Obvioulsy Liverpool fans are some of the most loyal and passionate supporters in the world and on this occasion they just got a bit carried away, like, lar

      • Harry Hotspur April 6, 2018 at 9:32 am

        I wish I had the photoshop skills to insert Jamie Carragher into the crowd, spitting at the bus…

  • Syd April 6, 2018 at 7:19 am

    Well written article H. Good read indeed.

    I wonder what the consensus would be if we went in for the young lad Abrahams from Swansea if we can peel him away from the cheatski scum. he looks real talent.

    Two bits of news doing the rounds, one I hope is all fake news and the other I don’t mind if it was true.

    Eric Dier having a barny with Perez – BS or not????

    Spurs in for Lascelles – Good idea???

  • Legendary greavsey April 6, 2018 at 5:10 am

    Hello Legends once again ! firstly H your blogs this week have been super well written and extremely thought with forward thinking keeping this travelling man on my toes for the next blog! Secondly I would like to thank Cincy Yid for advising Mrs L & I to visit Jackson Hole and its surrounds truly special. Living tomorrow to head north to Montana catching up with long lost rellies. This is truly a remarkable country in more ways than one can imagine.

    • Harry Hotspur April 6, 2018 at 8:39 am

      👍

  • Willie! April 6, 2018 at 3:04 am

    Despite many of the cultural references going completely over the head of this yank, I have to applaud Harry on an exceptionally well written piece.

  • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 6, 2018 at 2:38 am

    Im moving to Disneyland..I knew things were going to be bad after I ssw that life follows art after I saw Happy Fucking Valley.
    Tottenham wins the double for the second time and there was nobody left there to watch it

    Sad.

  • Nick April 6, 2018 at 1:24 am

    So MPs can introduce “sugar tax” & complain of tv shows being vicious but who is speaking out on the current street wars? Certain parts of London aren’t safe to walk & shootings will soon be a daily occurrence as those carrying knives fear being got at first.There isn’t a social worker,analysis group or psychology expert that will solve this problem.It does not happen in societies that aren’t as “civilised” as us.??

  • melcyid April 6, 2018 at 1:10 am

    would fair and nice to see the scousers get binned for five years minimum,and the tie awarded to the mancs how was the game not cancelled.walker and co couldnt have been in any good frame of mind to play.

  • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? April 6, 2018 at 12:30 am
  • AntSpurs April 5, 2018 at 11:52 pm

    Another 6 stabbings this evening on top of the 1 earlier today in a London. Babies too. One of them 13 years old. All apparently separate incidents and in the space of 90 minutes. 3 boys in Mile End aged 15 and 16 in Mile End/Roman Rd from one man. This needs sorting fast.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/mile-end-stabbing-two-teenagers-in-hospital-after-double-knife-attack-amid-london-violence-surge-a3807036.html%3famp

    • OrganicPaper April 6, 2018 at 12:42 am

      I want to say this is shocking. Sadly it’s feeling all too run of the mill.
      There is a huge problem and the curtailment of stop and search powers is one reason. Of course they don’t address the underlying issues, but it did save life.

      • OrganicPaper April 6, 2018 at 12:44 am

        These are kids. The spike in death and violence coincides with disaffected youth on half term. It formed the backbone of the London riots a few years back.

        • Still Nil Nil April 6, 2018 at 12:46 am

          Just for info, if what happened in 2011 happens now Police won’t cope
          Police barely got thru that one
          There are far less cops about now let alone experienced ones

          • OrganicPaper April 6, 2018 at 12:51 am

            I can believe that. Your a copper right? It annoys me when people level blame at the police for not stopping things that only politicians and society can truly change, whilst all the while cutting the arse out of policing budgets… nonsense

            • Still Nil Nil April 6, 2018 at 12:59 am

              You wanna see it from our eyes here on the streets

              • OrganicPaper April 6, 2018 at 1:00 am

                To be honest, I’m quite glad I don’t!

                • Still Nil Nil April 6, 2018 at 1:09 am

                  Don’t blame you!

          • AntSpurs April 6, 2018 at 1:01 am

            It’s fucked Nilly, the police presence made a huge difference. You couldn’t hang out without a patrol car pulling you up a quick stop and search. It’s easy to pull a knife/gun from a kid who’s holding it for you if it’s someone passing but kids are confident taking their ‘piece’ and going out to look for their target now. Not much risk. You have now the girls holding it for their man. Are these being searched? From my understanding there is lack of stop-search in general and almost non existent female bobbies to search the carriers. From my understanding somewhere between 10-20% of stop-searches result in a finding of something (mainly drugs I’d imagine) so is there a solution on this front ?

            • AntSpurs April 6, 2018 at 1:05 am

              A lot of it is psychological. If you know you’ll be passed a couple of times an hour from a bobby or patrol car and your waiting around with a knife where you’ll get a year or two, the risk is too great. I think a blitz is in order.

              • AntSpurs April 6, 2018 at 1:06 am

                Where they’ll be housed I don’t know. The prisons are choca.

                • Still Nil Nil April 6, 2018 at 1:08 am

                  You need Police to blitz
                  The box containing spare Police has long been empty

                  • AntSpurs April 6, 2018 at 1:13 am

                    Don’t wanna talk too much shop Nils, you’ve done your bit, but is the stop and search one of the best solutions. What would you do with a big whack of funding?

                    • Still Nil Nil April 6, 2018 at 1:22 am

                      Money helps but it’s having the balls to stand up to the hand wringers and say that tr police are going to do what they’re lawfully entitled to do and are expected to do
                      But Police bosses and politicians won’t when officers want to and are treated like shit by the media and minority public and they’re bosses for daring to do this

                    • AntSpurs April 6, 2018 at 1:28 am

                      Last question bruvs. Have your hands been tied other than the stop and search ? Is this the main obstacle ?

                    • Still Nil Nil April 6, 2018 at 2:13 am

                      It’s a myriad of things Ant.

                      People want Police to Police and when they do people get all previous,
                      Public need to stop burying their heads in the sand and accept that maybe their little angels aren’t as wonderful as they think and their communities need to stop blaming the police and others for their misbehaviour and take responsibility for their actions

                      Bizarrely enough it is actually illegal to carry weapons in public and rather than criticise those tasked with stopping those carrying these weapons maybe they should deal with their own feral offspring and teach them respect and laws and if they break them beware of the punishment for doing so taking the consequences rather than blaming all and sundrie

                • Nick April 6, 2018 at 1:09 am

                  But that cannot be an issue or the whole judicial system fails

                  • Still Nil Nil April 6, 2018 at 1:10 am

                    It’s been failing for years nick

                    • Nick April 6, 2018 at 1:11 am

                      Human rights,prison for reform?? Doesn’t work IMO

                    • AntSpurs April 6, 2018 at 1:30 am

                      There is no reform in Prison. It’s a sentence/punishment. So much more can be done here Nick.

            • Still Nil Nil April 6, 2018 at 1:07 am

              It helps if the communities get onside and stop with the constant racism slant aimed at Police when stop search is performed
              That’s what’s led to this situation

              If no female pcs are about then a male pc can search a female but it’s best avoided for obvious reasons

              • AntSpurs April 6, 2018 at 1:17 am

                I hear you but Id imagine if you if you target a number of carriers/known perpertrators and you are unsuccessful in finding anything, I’d imagine you’re wide open to the accusations.

              • melcyid April 6, 2018 at 1:34 am

                I remember the SPG being formed in Brixton when I lived there.It was born out of neccesity but was struck down by pc politicians and local pressure groups.The riots ensued after I think.That is what the socialist workers wanted any way.

                • AntSpurs April 6, 2018 at 1:44 am

                  Not clued up on this Mel. Was it working well ?

                  • melcyid April 6, 2018 at 3:40 am

                    it was a bit heavy handed but it needed to be as the presence of the unit quieted things on the street but the street gangs were outraged that they had to keep a low profile when they were about or liable to turn up at the hint of trouble.really uset the civil liberties crowd

            • Nick April 6, 2018 at 1:08 am

              It’s a self created race problem,so afraid of offending & being classed racist that stop & search isn’t being used as it should.As a teenager I was pulled over at least once a week,I’m not a criminal but also never been brought up to consider enforcement officers as the enemy either.The exact problem of entitlement & being hard done by that H talks about with regards to the scousers is the problem with majority of youths today

        • Nick April 6, 2018 at 1:16 am

          And those of us considered privileged who tell our kids to train to be doctors & teachers,to put themselves in the front line to face these animals,for what?? Do they appreciate or respect anyone or anything??

    • Nick April 6, 2018 at 1:02 am

      Parents have got to take responsibility! Also a consequence of human rights bollocks,what point human rights to a dead person?Prison being run to reform isn’t working,punishment is the only way to “reform” teenagers.Short sharp shock for carrying a knife,6 months prison no human rights,23 hour a day lock up no tv,internet access etc.stop the holiday camp mentality

    • Aussie in Switzerland April 6, 2018 at 12:56 pm

      Just do what your Mayor says, and learn to live with crime and terrorism…..

  • Accy April 5, 2018 at 11:38 pm
  • Nick April 5, 2018 at 11:30 pm

    So dembele’s “contract demands” are apparently causing problems.The guy has been quoted that he will not discuss a new deal until after the World Cup but the hacks still click bait & shit stir as much as possible.Are there any reliable news sources out there ??

  • Andrew April 5, 2018 at 10:54 pm

    I think the media have a loving relationship with Liverpool . As one of the original top four clubs, it seems that the press couldn’t handle the idea of them falling from grace. Whenever I hear someone on radio or tv with a scouce accent, I just don’t believe what they say most of the time. It’s like they can’t be trusted, which is probably a bit unfair.
    On the other hand, I went to a party last weekend in London ,there were loads of people from Newcastle, and I have to say how polite and friendly they were, absolutely lovely people.

    • Accy April 5, 2018 at 11:25 pm

      Mcmanaman has a lot to answer for – complete twat of a commentator/pundit.

      • Accy April 5, 2018 at 11:26 pm

        Lawrenson, too.

        • Frontwheel 2 April 5, 2018 at 11:53 pm

          Not to mention the two Jamie’s,cunts

  • Nick April 5, 2018 at 10:47 pm

    RIP ERIC BRISTOW. Loved his confidence/ arrogance when I was a teenager.Based my darts on his style even the pinky in the air.

    • Frontwheel 2 April 5, 2018 at 10:55 pm

      Another heart attack,who’s next ? It happens in 3’s

      • Nick April 5, 2018 at 11:17 pm

        Arrrghhh🤪

  • Lord Croker April 5, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    I was at the game that got Roy Evans the sack. Hammered em 3 – 1. Even pulled which wasnt difficult up there. Good night out though.

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 10:38 pm

      Boy done good

  • Tappaspur April 5, 2018 at 9:52 pm

    Went to Liverpool once. Never again

    • Nick April 5, 2018 at 11:32 pm

      Anywhere north of the Watford gap scares me a little

  • Frontwheel 2 April 5, 2018 at 9:17 pm

    Yes,as I’ve said before,I worked on building sites with just about every creed and colour and the only fuckers who were consistently fuckers were the scousers.Leeds fuckers were odd but I could leave my hammer unattended while they were around which I never did if a scouser was in the same building.
    Geordies and Indians were the best.

    • Still Nil Nil April 5, 2018 at 9:19 pm

      Bet all the bricks went missing so they could’ve used to prop up cars

    • Nick April 5, 2018 at 11:34 pm

      Surprised they let the Indians on site,Steel toecap moccasins & hard feather headdresses?

  • JackDLad April 5, 2018 at 9:12 pm

    Jamie Carragher has said this to sky…”Had I been dare lazt night I wood haf spat on dat flair, to pu it out of course, absalute desgrace dat carry on!”

  • Chilespurs April 5, 2018 at 9:03 pm

    Have to say as a Spurs fan living in Birko (Birkenhead for you cockney lot) for ten years now the blog you’ve written is spot on. I rarely comment here and very rarely agree with you but you’ve hit the nail on the head. May even show this blog to some of the Scousers see their reaction.

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:04 pm

      Wow, thank you.

    • Still Nil Nil April 5, 2018 at 9:05 pm

      Under the headline ‘The Sun Says…’

  • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:00 pm

    JackDLad

    “I had the misfortune to spend 2 years living in a pretty decent spot in Wallasey”. Sounds like you were lovin it like like like! Alright, alright calm down!

    Bastard!!!!

  • Still Nil Nil April 5, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    A far more eloquent effort than my piss poor attempt on the previous blog regarding this content

    • Sexy Beast April 5, 2018 at 8:54 pm

      Vent your spleen Nilly, this is a good place for it!

      • Still Nil Nil April 5, 2018 at 9:01 pm

        😉

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:59 pm

      Well I had to suffer the cunts day in – day out for 700 odd days matey. I’ve moved about a fair over the years and can say hand on heart that this was the worst fucking experience by a country mile.

      The double standards were just depressing. The people were depressing. Never encountered so many no marks who thought they were fascinating, so many complete and utter losers who all had a ‘backstory’ as to why it wasn’t their fault.

      • Still Nil Nil April 5, 2018 at 9:04 pm

        They all look alike an orl, jameeeeeh Carragher separated at birth from John Bishop
        All have massive Neanderthal boney foreheads and generate more phlegm when pronouncing the word ‘look’ than you can shake a shitty stick at

        • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:22 pm

          Bizarrely, Carra owned a Sports Cafe England franchise at the time, which I went in before they set our Sky up. The place was wall-wall-50″ LDC TVs. On EVERY wall. The head barman was a Scouser, but a secret Man Utd fan and we got really quite well.

          I took my missus in there on a good few occasions to watch games. The place was always packed and I’d leave him my card behind the bar. Whenever I waved a thumbs up, he’d had have a pint of San Miguel and glass of turps poorer for er indoors – and just wink back at me when I leaned past the mob at the bar to pick them up.

          Invariably the bill would be missing a round and when I went in on this quiet rainy afternoons I’d always get him ‘one or two in’ that I never saw him drink.

          • Still Nil Nil April 5, 2018 at 9:24 pm

            Probably got paid fuck all so had to get his due somehow

            • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:26 pm

              Correct. He told me how the bar’s merchandise cost Carra 99p for at shirt, they sold for a score yet there was no commission for the staff. Staff discount food was 20%!!!!!!!

              • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:27 pm

                t shirt

              • Still Nil Nil April 5, 2018 at 9:28 pm

                Dirty cheap spitting cunt

                • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:51 pm

                  That’s the fellow

                  • TyredMan 🚯 April 5, 2018 at 10:17 pm

                    🤣

  • OrganicPaper April 5, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    YES HARRY!!! BEST BLOG EVER!!

    I really enjoy your blogs but very very rarely do I agree with every single word. This however has summed up far more elegantly than I ever could, a feeling I have for scouse fans for a very long time.
    100% A* top of the class.
    Thank you.

    (I know the best blog ever IMO isn’t about spurs but hey ho)

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:45 pm

      Bloody crawler! x

      • OrganicPaper April 5, 2018 at 8:48 pm

        😚

  • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:36 pm
    • Sexy Beast April 5, 2018 at 8:49 pm

      Bit like the Sweeney ….

      • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:02 pm

        Sexy Beast

        Bit like the Sweeney ….

        My producer is a fakin legend.

    • JackDLad April 5, 2018 at 8:50 pm

      So they want you to star in it, write the theme tune, sing the theme tune….

  • 61SpursNut🌰 April 5, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    BTW, those concerned by more than a smidgen about Mr. Adam doing some nefarious twattery on one of our own on Saturday can rest a while in a certain tranquility in the knowledge that the cnut is banned until 21 April for being such a criminally negligent twat not so long ago on some other bloke.

    End of unusually long sentence.

    • JackDLad April 5, 2018 at 8:32 pm

      I would have preferred him playing, he is as slow as a wet week and liable to be sent off plus refs are fed up with him. Now Charlie is a hooligan who got to live the dream and play!

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:38 pm

      Ace.

    • Andrew April 5, 2018 at 10:41 pm

      Imagine how much nastier chas Adams would be if he was a scoucer .

  • JackDLad April 5, 2018 at 8:24 pm

    “I had the misfortune to spend 2 years living in a pretty decent spot in Wallasey”. Sounds like you were lovin it like like like! Alright, alright calm down!

  • Mad Carew April 5, 2018 at 8:24 pm

    Defending Masters Champion Sergio Garcia takes 14 strokes at the par 5 15th hole.

    • Mad Carew April 5, 2018 at 8:27 pm

      Good old Sergio he managed a 7 ft putt to only take a 13.

  • 61SpursNut🌰 April 5, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    Ay, ay, I’m not fookin’ avin’ dat.

  • TrentSpur April 5, 2018 at 8:18 pm

    Excellent read. Thank you.

  • Nick April 5, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    i Have no doubt this was pre planned as was the vile hissing & booing throughout the game when city had possession.It worked,City was poor by their own standards,Liverpool though industrious weren’t brilliant but City had been unbalanced by all these shenanigans.I hope Pool are punished as the woe is me act is well past its sell by.The way that the media love to build up a hero just to knock it down again Also is beginning to grate.

  • SpurAndy 🍒π April 5, 2018 at 8:13 pm

    Nice rant H.

    • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 8:15 pm

      Gave me the horn.

      • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:22 pm

        Worst job I ever had, that.

        • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 8:25 pm

          I can beat it. Cleaning the entire fish section at Tesco’s for 6 hours every Sunday night, on my own. I could still smell it on me come Wednesdays.

          • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:26 pm

            They call it the Thursday Wank Club down Asda.

            • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 8:27 pm

              🤣🤣

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:20 pm

      Faking loathed the place.

  • Caspurs♿️ April 5, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    Wun Tun soup!!!

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:12 pm

      Velly tastweeeee!