Date: 1st November 2017 at 11:25am
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In a dramatic move, Tottenham Hotspur FC have announced plans for a new property development on land that Haringey Council promised on 9 October to the developer Lendlease.

Spurs say they want to build 330 new homes and a new public square.  Here is their promotional website: https://www.goodsyardtottenham.co.uk/ while Spurs and Lendlease scrap over development sites West of the Spurs Ground, Spurs are losing out over service charges and access to land on the East side of their Stadium, under a separate Lendlease development.

Lendlease were awarded the High Road West site at a Haringey Council Cabinet meeting on 9 October. The Love Lane council estate is to be demolished, and 2,500 high-value new homes built in the area. Lendlease are also the developer on the Eastern side, via the Haringey Development Vehicle.

Cllr Alan Strickland, Haringey’s Cabinet Member for Housing, Planning and Regeneration, promised at a recent Cabinet Meeting to buy Spurs’ land at High Road West, using compulsory purchase orders if necessary.  Will that promise now be carried through, we wonder?

This is the second time that Spurs has appeared as a property developer in its own right in North Tottenham, while continuing to demand ‘Corporate Welfare’ for its new Stadium.

Spurs have a major interest in the Northumberland Park school and the housing estates on the East side of the football stadium, where they are not getting their own way at all.

Their problem is that they expect Corporate Welfare: facilities for free, with added public subsidy.

The Club has a 99 year lease on a makeshift outside broadcast facility in the grounds of Dukes’ Aldridge Academy school , formerly the Northumberland Park Community School.

Spurs has aspirations for a proper, dedicated outside broadcast media facility, and also a Fan Zone, where those without tickets can watch the game on supersize outdoor display screens, and buy food and drink, etc.

Haringey Council, via the proposed HDV, which is to be half-owned and 100% managed by the developer Lendlease, proposes to move the school from behind the Spurs Ground. It is proposed to decant residents from council housing at Haynes Close, Charles Bradlaugh House and Robert Burns House, then demolish those blocks, and then build a new school there (p 1024 of cabinet papers for 3 July 2017, Public Appendices, Items 9 & 10).

This is all to help Spurs out, but would take several years at least. Spurs might be thwarted, even then. A Fan Zone is currently proposed at a new Paxton Square which ‘can provide a robust and flexible paved area that would operate as a fan zone during stadium matches or events’ (p 877).

But this is a tiny area, just a few yards across, pinched between the back of the stadium and new high rise housing blocks, which could be 20 or more stories high (see image on p 1020).  It is more like a Paxton postage stamp. It is not dedicated to Spurs, but would be a public square with other suggested uses as well as the fan zone.  Presumably, makeshift barriers would be needed on match days, and its capacity would be inadequate for Spurs’ needs.

Spurs’ hoped-for Outside Broadcast Space is just an ‘Optionality’ which is ‘associated with the regeneration of Northumberland Park’… ‘The HDV will work with Tottenham Hotspur FC to find a suitable design solution for their outside broadcast space requirements. During the 100 day launch programme HDV will and consider alternative design solutions [sic].’

Nothing too definite, nothing at all on the indicative ground plans, and nothing until after the HDV has been launched.  While the HDV plans to build housing blocks right up to the back of the new Stadium.

For Spurs to have the Fan zone and the outside broadcast space they wanted, some of the developer’s proposed high rise housing could not be built, in a ‘neighbourhood that will target young professionals and creatives who are seeking a vibrant and active place to own or rent in a higher density environment’ (p 875); and p 1024 suggests that new housing built on the school playing fields would include 140 homes for tenants and resident leaseholders moving from Haynes Close/Charles Bradlaugh/Robert Burns.

Spurs want facilities which would deny to the developer some of their potentially most lucrative residential sites.

Spurs may also have to pay hefty service charges for extra security, refuse and crowd management costs in the public realm on match days (p 945). 

These charges are  something really new – although locals have long complained bitterly about the hidden costs and inconveniences of the Spurs games. 

Spurs have erred badly by  designing a stadium which does not have the external broadcast and external fan zone facilities which they actually need.

What next?

Maybe Spurs are using their development plan in the West as a bargaining ploy to get what they want in the East.  Maybe they do really want to build in the West.

But either way, it is the community that will lose out from housing demolitions, and from house price and rent increases, that will drive local people from the area.

Spurs as both a Property Developer and Corporate Welfare client

Spurs are already acting as a property developer at the 500 White Hart Lane scheme, which gained planning consent on the casting vote of the Chair of the Committee Cllr Natan Doron (who is a leading Spurs supporter) on 12/09/16 for 144 dwellings, as well as employment and retail spaces.

This Freedom of Information Request deals with Public subsidy to Spurs

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/public_subsidy_to_tottenham_hots

We know that Spurs asked Haringey Council and the GLA for £30.5 million towards the cost of the podium at the front of the new stadium, and in April this year this money was seemingly about to be made available from dedicated housing funds:

 
Comments
  • Aside from cerebrospinal fluid, what's on your mind?
  • Legoverlass November 1, 2017 at 3:34 pm

    ENIC is. Land development company. Levy studied land development at Cambridge . The purchase of THFC has and will always be about land development first and football second. What ENIC do Is to try and keep the punters paying out and to play the periphery game of pretending to want football success to do just that. Look at the training ground developments and the other property developments that have happened during periods of net transfer spends and zero success on the football pitch. ENIC however want to charge ticket prices in line with teams that are focused on winning stuff. They should have given the tickets away for the recent debacle against West Ham . Once the stadium is built it will be increasingly difficult for Levy to continue spinning the “young team …… project and lack of gate recipes line. He will no doubt try the “paying back the cost of the stadium ” line even though he said that would not impact on the transfers which based on our pathetic activity in that area for several seasons will not be to hard to achieve.

  • ronwol196061🇨🇦 November 1, 2017 at 1:05 pm

    David Dillenberg
    Just had a quick cuppa coffee with Poxy before he departs for a merriment day out in the Cotsworlds. He thanks posters for his birthday greetings when in addition to those celebrities mentioned he tells me that he also shares his birthday with ex swimming champ swimwear Sharon Davies,legendary golf commentator Ted “whispering” Lowe and the Lisbon earthquake of 1755 (apparently the worst European earthquake to date.) “Not many people know that”!

    The biggest Lisbon Eathquake was in 1962 when Benfica…..

    • David Dillenberg November 1, 2017 at 1:08 pm

      Indeed. Eusebio. Great striker.

  • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 12:58 pm

    I like public squares. Real Fan? likes pubic triangles.

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦 November 1, 2017 at 1:03 pm

      Has Cas been a round?

    • Harry Hotspur November 1, 2017 at 1:09 pm

      High rollers at the new gaff will learn to love cheese triangles.

  • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    Happy Birthday, Sharon Davis! Have a great time in a swimsuit, in the Cotswolds.

    • David Dillenberg November 1, 2017 at 12:48 pm

      Easily recognisable!

      • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 12:55 pm

        For you maybe. I always find it it difficult distinguishing Poxy from Sharon, especially when they are in their swimsuits.

        • MysteriousStranger November 1, 2017 at 1:24 pm

          Does Poxy have fake tits as well?

          • David Dillenberg November 1, 2017 at 1:32 pm

            MS: Who said she had fake tits?

          • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 1:32 pm

            Has Sharon Davies goit fake tits? Wouldn’t that impare her Brest stroke?

            • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 3:13 pm

              Only in France.

          • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 3:14 pm

            Poor Sharon. She’s plastic all over now, I think.

  • ronwol196061🇨🇦 November 1, 2017 at 12:44 pm

    Are we playing footie or Monopoly????

    Community Chest:
    Kane

    Chance:
    Eriksen

    Free Parking:
    Sissoko

    Kings Cross station:
    Pleat

    Bayswater Road
    HD and Ronwol

    Free Parking:
    None

  • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    Happy birthday, Ant! Have a great day in the Cotswolds.

  • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    Happy birthday, Poxy! Have a great day in the Cotswolds.

    • David Dillenberg November 1, 2017 at 12:43 pm

      My favourite domains with Joyce are not popularBroadway and Bourton on the Water but quieter backwater locations of Blockley and Stanton respectively.

      • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 3:16 pm

        I shall bear that in mind. Next time I’m in … well, next time.

  • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 12:34 pm

  • Devonshirespur November 1, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    Am i reading this right.

    Spurs asked for £30m for their podium construct, which would, at least in part, provide some public open space, but not a massive community gain really!

    The Council, in seeking to meet Spurs needs, secured lending at low rates via the GLA and were willing to hand it over to Spurs, on the basis that Spurs hand over land they own within the High Road West zone. So in effect, instead of the Council borrowing money to buy land directly from Spurs to bring forward redevelopment and housing, they proposed to borrow money to give to Spurs for their podium and Spurs give them development land gratis as part of the deal.

    Seemingly not a deal Spurs fancied, and we are now promoting development of part of that land. None of the requested £30m handed over.

    In my eyes, £30m for the podium is a ridiculous sum particularly as its main function is to cover the area where the pitch will slide out to (so very necessary to THFC) with the community use being quite insignificant and secondary….so shame on Spurs for asking for public funding.

    As for using housing money for THFC purposes, this seems slightly misleading if in exchange development land for housing is offered back to the Council for free. Seems to me like the Council were trying to get an angle in negotiations with Spurs. Not sure of the figures but the fact that THFC have seemingly not gone for the deal suggests the terms were stacked in the Councils favour/financial benefit.

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦 November 1, 2017 at 12:45 pm

      Devon are you with THFC?
      you dont comment on footie anymore

      • Devonshirespur November 1, 2017 at 3:57 pm

        i do, but on football blogs 😉

  • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    Fan zone? Used to watch away games at the Lane for a tenner or a fiver on the screen. I enjoyed that.

    • Harry Hotspur November 1, 2017 at 12:55 pm

      Yeah, but in a Fanzone you can be sold more licensed product, slushies and hotdogs.

      • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 1:19 pm

        Ahh yes. They think of everything…..

  • David Dillenberg November 1, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    Just had a quick cuppa coffee with Poxy before he departs for a merriment day out in the Cotsworlds. He thanks posters for his birthday greetings when in addition to those celebrities mentioned he tells me that he also shares his birthday with ex swimming champ swimwear Sharon Davies,legendary golf commentator Ted “whispering” Lowe and the Lisbon earthquake of 1755 (apparently the worst European earthquake to date.) “Not many people know that”!

    • poxy November 1, 2017 at 12:36 pm

      Yes, I knew about it being Gary Player’s birthday (I’m a big Nicklaus fan, actually, but like Palmer and Player, too. Golf’s big 3 of the sixties). I arrived on earth a month prematurely and, given my Portuguese ancestry, rather spooky that I appeared for the first time on the anniversary of the huge earthquake which was felt in Chesterfield!

      Many thanks for the best wishes and my best wishes, too, to Ant on his birthday also. Let’s hope for a good night tonight. Birthdays didn’t use to be particularly successful on the football front, starting with our losing 4-2 at Filbert Street a day before my reaching double figures in 1964. Mind you in 64-65 we only managed to garner 6 points out of 42 on our travels! Unbeaten at home and just 3 draws.
      Quite a nice sunny day and off to Chipping Camden in the Cotswolds. Got to be at DD’s at 7.15 this evening

  • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    “A neighbourhood that will attract young professionals and creative who are seeking a vibrant and active place to own or rent in a higher density environment”……. Eeewwwww…..I need a shower. Rich folk then. Get the ovens on, the culling process is about to begin. Round up ya poor.

    • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 12:20 pm

      *creatives

  • Sid Trotter November 1, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    Harold, I simply cannot read all of that. A 10 word summary word be good. But if we are building houses, will the players have to pay full whack for them

  • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    Why is a football club building houses ffs? How about concentrate on the football team?

    • Devonshirespur November 1, 2017 at 12:15 pm

      What did the goons do with Old Highbury….Hand it over to the homeless?

      • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 12:22 pm

        Their not even a football club. Don’t wanna emulate them in any way.

      • Harry Hotspur November 1, 2017 at 12:25 pm

        In fairness to the Goons, they simply knocked down one place and moved to another. ENIC have become deeply embroiled in the property business, setting up Tottenham Property Ltd or whatever it’s called and made several millions buying and re-leasing a local school. The list of non-football related shenanigans is quite extensive.

        • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 12:30 pm

          Thats ENIC and Tavistock. Pie fingers. Uncle Joe and co saw what they could do with Spurs off the pitch and dived right in.

          • Harry Hotspur November 1, 2017 at 12:54 pm

            Dirty fingers.

        • Devonshirespur November 1, 2017 at 12:39 pm

          Why is property development seen as some evil. All real estate has value, even schools. All developers make profit otherwise nothing gets built and this goes for those providing private and social housing. The Council will have sought to strike the deal with Spurs giving them £30m and receiving Spurs development land in exchange as it will have been financially beneficial for them – controlling the development, gaining revenues in to the future and more immediate profits.

          The land Spurs are now promoting is land they are currently using as part of the WHL construction compound. Acquisitions like this and all the land compilation done over the years around WHL are prudent, not only to enable the cost effective development of the stadium but also to take advantage of into the future as ‘regeneration’ will see property values rise.

          • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 12:43 pm

            Are you in property dev?😋

            • Devonshirespur November 1, 2017 at 12:44 pm

              I’m sat in a property right now….so, yes!

          • Harry Hotspur November 1, 2017 at 12:53 pm

            Property development in this instance AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED AT SOME LENGTH is being used in its most dreadful form.

            Affordable housing is something THFC have openly confessed as being such a bad thing, it could jeopardise the entire project.

            The £30.5million that Haringey (have now denied) could give THFC is for housing – not for a fucking public space for an ENIC vanity project!!!

            You talk of prudence, but what the flying fuck has financial prudence of a private business got to do with housing people in a run down borough?

            I also object to your use of the word ‘regeneration’ as this implies benefit to all, and not just to a private business.

            Spurs have been at the same location for over a century and duration that time the place has ebbed slowly but surely down the toilet. The stadium does NOT benefit the area, even the bloody pubs can’t stay open.

            But we’ve covered all this and there isn’t a solitary decent thread to any argument that opposes the ‘Spurs are good for the community’ line. It’s all absolute bollocks.

            Anyone would think you were describing the construction of a Children’s hospital or a Cancer Unit, opposed to a private business which plays footballers £100,000 a week for not winning anything.

            • Devonshirespur November 1, 2017 at 1:00 pm

              Read my post.

              £30.5m for a podium AND DEVELOPMENT LAND

              So whether the Council CPOs Spurs development land and pays full price for it from funds borrowed from somewhere….or the Council borrows money from the GLA and gives it to Spurs for their stadium and receive said development land for free….either way to secure the development they need to deliver the housing the Council will have to spend 10s of millions.

              So its not £30.5m for a vanity project.

              And as for it being a vanity project….your seem to be in a state of confusion about Levy…is he a bean counter too tight to spend money on the team or someone who with reckless abandon will spuff 100s of millions on a vanity project?

              • Harry Hotspur November 1, 2017 at 1:08 pm

                Not interested in reading your post – It was this blog that brought the FOI request and resultant discovery and put it beneath your nose months ago.

                You are welcome to go away and look into the matter yourself, but given your endless form for ‘translating’ plain English opposed to quoting text verbatim, I see little point in you bothering.

                You’ve got a fundamental inability to understand this entire process and I gave up discussing it with you a few years ago. Debating with you only proved to be painful and utterly futile.

                • Devonshirespur November 1, 2017 at 3:54 pm

                  Nice kop out !

                  I find it funny that you think you’ve entered into a debate. You dont debate H, you say your piece and dismiss any dissenters. Your prerogative, so go for it!

                  • Harry Hotspur November 1, 2017 at 4:06 pm

                    I have considerable experience of dealing with you and its always a waste of time.

                    You misquote, infer opposed to substantiate and when you’re pushed, you run off.

                    You are a waste of time and that is a statement of fact based upon several years of replying to your half cocked ‘explanations’.

                    • Devonshirespur November 1, 2017 at 4:25 pm

                      Well I am clearly a retarded simpleton…but please humour me with an explanation of how I am getting matters so wrong on this issue.

                      How is my 1:00pm post (see i am even too dumb to know how to use the quote function) getting matters wrong. I am not saying i’m right, this is just my reading of whats gone on. In fact my 12:30 post starts with “Am i reading this right” so I am clearly open to being convinced by reasoned argument.

          • JoesYachts November 1, 2017 at 2:56 pm

            So Levy isn’t profiteering in some way whilst leaving the club short of back-up for their Number 9 who is integral to the way the team play?

    • Aussie in Switzerland November 1, 2017 at 12:36 pm

      Profit from property will pay for the stadium….

      • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 12:39 pm

        They also could get any who are having their homes demolished and pimp em out to politicians and local council members. Thatl bring in a bit👍

        • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 12:51 pm

          Poor people as sex toys? Eurgh. Yuk. No thanks.

          • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? November 1, 2017 at 1:16 pm

            😏 ooo you are awful…..

            • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 3:18 pm

              Er … they’re awful.

      • Devonshirespur November 1, 2017 at 12:51 pm

        Sales of land acquired by THFC and subsequently sold to THFC Properties Ltd have already cleared much of the early stadium debts…hence THFC were able to go to the banks showing little debt to secure their funding for the Stadium – i believe a facility up to £400m on a projected reported costing upwards of £650m

      • Harry Hotspur November 1, 2017 at 12:53 pm

        Nope.

  • JoesYachts November 1, 2017 at 11:46 am

    Levy is a property developer shock! The football club is just an adjunct…

    • baz November 1, 2017 at 11:48 am

      The portfolio must be diversified.

  • McG⚽⚽ November 1, 2017 at 11:41 am

    Do the goons have a designated external fan zone & broadcasting area?

  • baz November 1, 2017 at 11:32 am

    That’s complicated

    • McG⚽⚽ November 1, 2017 at 11:35 am

      It’s easier if you just look at the pictures..

      • baz November 1, 2017 at 11:47 am

        I’m going to tackle this one when I’m at home.

      • 💋 November 1, 2017 at 11:57 am

        He was looking at the pictures.