Date: 4th April 2018 at 6:03pm
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This is originally from Buckle & Pals via the Skyscraper City site forum. 

In principle the new stadium brings in more…

– commercial income, involving various new partnerships, etc., including naming rights;
– premium seat revenues (as reflected in the food, luxury, Michelin star stuff, cheese boards, views from the lounges, good looking people to look at [I’ve seen the drawings], parking/shuttles, etc.);
– much better facilities for music concerts, other sporting events (NFL, boxing, etc.), including the growing, and likely lucrative, market in e-sports (the rental fees for 16 major events will add up);
– catering income from all the events, football and other.
– greater ‘ordinary’ income from PL matches as a result of the increased number of seats but not necessarily at higher prices.

In addition, a state-of-the-art stadium has an intangible but nonetheless important value in the eyes of commentators, pundits, analysts, and so forth, linking a ‘world-class’ stadium with a ‘world-class’ training ground to the image of an aspiring ‘world class’ football team. This aids recruitment at all levels, the image projected around the world, and thus, as mentioned, commercial income.

Hence an increase in the price of ordinary seats is not necessarily part of the model.

Oh, and by the way, those of us sitting/standing in the Park Lane single-tier stand (who are not 1882 folks), may marvel at the selection of food and drink. I hope. But we will actually be paying more for it. These food and drink offerings are a profit centre in themselves. Arguing that we should be paying more for our tickets because there are better facilities misses the point because we’ll be paying for them in addition to our increased ST prices. OK there’ll be better toilets. And a better mobile phone signal. And that’s pretty much it.

Anyway… the Trust was told that there would be price stretching, i.e. prices would be stretched upward at the high end (high price ‘ordinary’ seats and premium seats) and stretched downward at the low end. The latter is important to bring in more low(er) income fans and young people, the supporters of the future. Yes, there are age-related concessions but, looking at the prices, they are still very steep for a younger person. Then the cliff face comes when a younger person comes of age and considers priorities.

Key to all of this, in financial terms, is that some more stretching downward, i.e. with prices sensitive to the real world — rather than some kind of supply-and-demand metric generated by a survey company — would only have a small effect on revenues accrued from the stadium. And in the general picture — where we add media income, established commercial income (the big raises with AIA and Nike this year, which will be seen in next year’s results), merchandising, etc., the cost to the club of a better downward ‘stretch’ is marginal.

There’s a kind of cost-benefit to all of this. How much does it cost the club to do a lot better to attract the young fans of the future? How much does it cost to generate good will among the many ‘ordinary’ and very loyal supporters who have now taken a deep breath with the price rises?

Actually, very little in the scheme of things.

Our spending power will still rise substantially and we’ll be competing much better with the five richer clubs above us.

As many are saying, the club has faltered here.

But, relevant to this thread, there is more to say about the effect of all of this on atmosphere.

Way back in this thread, there was a well-argued post that atmosphere had nothing much to do with architecture, etc. It has to do with the people who occupy that space.

I think the club has in fact done the right thing to attend to acoustics, shorter distances to the pitch, rake of the stands, the roof, etc. Bigger stadia suffer from problems that should be rectified as far as possible (think the failure of Wembley).

So in NWHL we are correcting rather than improving. That’s an important point to remember.

So the people in the stadium are key here. The way in which premium seats have cut into the Shelf side, interrupted the side line, cut a stripe across the single tier stand (why, oh why) is an issue. The division of upper and lower tiers on three sides by a premium layer is assumed. It’s not that premium seat holders are in any way lesser fans. No. Not at all. But it is an iron law of stadia the world over that they make less noise. They are entitled to. That’s absolutely fine. Spurs premium seat holders are no different.

But the whole logic of the single-tier stand was to create a ‘wall of noise’ to connect the ‘ordinary fans’ of upper and lower tiers of the other sides. The price stretch downwards was supposed to operate here, except it really hasn’t. In addition, a lot of more ordinary fans have been displaced from the upper and lower tiers of the East Stand. The Park Lane has experienced a lot of significant price rises. And then there are the 1882 seats… Arguments that there are a lot of cheap seats don’t work because many are stuck back in positions with poorer views.

The discussion about pricing is pretty fundamental. We can talk about architecture, acoustics, stand rakes, building materials, roof angles, big screens, etc., but it’s all pretty meaningless unless we consider the people who occupy the stadium.

The club has taken a big risk.

Those who believe this kind of thinking is beneath contempt, should pause. By all means attack this post, but please remember that this view is not one of a malcontent. I like the new stadium, I love Spurs and look forward to next season. I’ll be yelling my ageing lungs out in the lower reaches of the Park Lane.

But bear in mind that the THST is unhappy, and the club has not been straight with this supporter-representative organisation. It’s not just me or other individuals who are expressing reservations.

I really hope in five years’ time that we haven’t gone down the Emirates plug hole, that we haven’t tried a new initiative to improve atmosphere for the umpteenth time, that we are not counting the empty seats. I really hope that we aren’t trying to shut a stable door that was opened this year with the new pricing policy.

Then again, Harry Kane, at the peak of his career, may well be scoring a hat trick in the Champions League final at the end of a rocking NWHL season… and I’ll shut the flip up.

 
Comments
  • Aside from cerebrospinal fluid, what's on your mind?

  • Superspoz 🏆 April 5, 2018 at 4:28 pm

    No reason why we cant give sonny a rest and start moura against stoke, they’re beyond crap. Plus Lamela is needed to kick the shit out of adams

    • paul April 5, 2018 at 4:52 pm

      Excellent call, won’t happen.

  • paul April 5, 2018 at 2:56 pm

    Dear Lah,

    The coach incident was a fit-up, mob of drunken off-duty police officers and sun journalists rushed it. Stop trying to blame the miners and the forcibly unemployed.

    Yours,

    The Grievously Entitled.

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 5, 2018 at 5:25 pm

      Theres anuvver one be’ind the one be’ind

  • SpurAndy 🍒π April 5, 2018 at 2:47 pm

    By the power of Greyskull make it happen!

    • SpurAndy 🍒π April 5, 2018 at 3:04 pm

      Excellent.

      • SpurAndy 🍒π April 5, 2018 at 3:05 pm

        What has transformed?

        • mystic arnold April 5, 2018 at 7:05 pm

          I think he s just about to buy his s/final ticket

  • Camus April 5, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    I would love it, LOVE IT!!, if Salah wins the Player of the Year award but Harry goes on to score another 8-10 goals and wins the Golden Boot again.

    Full Keegan.

  • Horndog 🇺🇸 April 5, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    Camus
    A fresh conspiracy theory for those who like turquoise shellsuits…
    Moura is Brazilian, yes?
    Poch seems pretty partisan and couldn’t wait to ship out Gomes, Sandro and Paulinho…
    Perhaps Poch isn’t a fan of his yellow-shirted neighbours.
    Perhaps he wasn’t a Poch buy, hence why we don’t see much of him?
    Answers on a David Icke postcard, please.

    I am a conspiracy analcyst.

    • Camus April 5, 2018 at 12:33 pm

      Welcome, HD.
      Your shellsuit is in the post along with your welcome pack and a few Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster stickers.

      • Horndog 🇺🇸 April 5, 2018 at 12:35 pm

        Sweet, sometime we’ll chat about the JFK assasination.

        • Camus April 5, 2018 at 12:37 pm

          Sounds good – I’ll bring my ‘Stanley Kubrick’s moon landing’ book for you to borrow.

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 5, 2018 at 1:00 pm

      Tottenhams pitch is one huge grassy knoll

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 1:27 pm

      Thankfully I have conspired to avoid anal cysts

  • Camus April 5, 2018 at 11:43 am

    A fresh conspiracy theory for those who like turquoise shellsuits…

    Moura is Brazilian, yes?
    Poch seems pretty partisan and couldn’t wait to ship out Gomes, Sandro and Paulinho…
    Perhaps Poch isn’t a fan of his yellow-shirted neighbours.
    Perhaps he wasn’t a Poch buy, hence why we don’t see much of him?

    Answers on a David Icke postcard, please.

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:46 am

      This is possible

      • SpurAndy 🍒π April 5, 2018 at 11:48 am

        … if you like wearing a tin foil hat.

        • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:49 am

          Full Metal Handbag

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:49 am

      Camus how many Argies do we have?

      • Camus April 5, 2018 at 11:52 am

        Lamela and Gazzaniga? Think that’s it?

    • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 11:53 am

      I had a Brazilian once, but it just grew back twice as long and itched like hell.

      • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:57 am

        She’s got to be a communist

        • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 12:13 pm

          Pinko dinko

      • Sexy Beast April 5, 2018 at 12:37 pm

        😂😂

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 11:54 am

      Now we’re cooking.

      Or did Poch wake up one morning and say to Daniel (in the upper bunk) ‘Hey boss man. Whya you no buy a me a nice a shit Brazilian. We no have a won for ages, eh?’

      • Camus April 5, 2018 at 11:59 am

        Absolutely, and you can’t tell me Daniel wasn’t thinking of the shirt sales too.
        Not having a Brazilian on the books (*whistles*)… It’s a pretty big territory.

        • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 12:16 pm

          Moura was approx 25million, sadly that tells it’s own tale. As does his inability to make the starting XI.

          He’s made 2 Premier League games. Huddersfield and Palace.

          Not played in the league for 4 weeks. Not injured.

          I think the phrase ‘runaway success’ is unlikely to be used by anyone anytime soon.

          • Camus April 5, 2018 at 12:34 pm

            The more we pay, the less they play 😁

          • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 5, 2018 at 12:58 pm

            Think Bale

  • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:35 am

    Looks like Michael and Fredo

    ?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=c8b1b185dff9c8b3029c8fb5e0703aaff

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:35 am

      ?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=c8b1b185dff9c8b3029c8fb5e0703aaf

      • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:35 am

        Doesnt work

        • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 11:37 am

          Looks like perfectly good Ronglish to me.

          • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:39 am

            Its from our new line of words Fronglish

  • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:10 am

    I see Mata may be available at the end of the season
    Not a bad punt to buy him

    • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 11:11 am

      Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo thanks.

      • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:12 am

        as a bench player??????

        I would

        • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 11:18 am

          I would not. We’ve surpassed buying shite from the PL’s top teams, we go to Paris for our rejects now.

          • Camus April 5, 2018 at 11:28 am

            A higher class of reject.
            Like scouring the streets of Pigalle at midnight for business as opposed to outside the Gare du Nord.

            • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:29 am

              You are missing Rue De St Denis….

              • Camus April 5, 2018 at 11:38 am

                A new location for my next trip!

                • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:40 am

                  Ages: 65 to 70

                  • Camus April 5, 2018 at 11:44 am

                    My preferred delicacy

                    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:45 am

                      Like a fine matured wine

            • Ronan April 5, 2018 at 11:33 am

              Pig Alley, the yanks called it during WWII.

          • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:28 am

            I think we should buy a bench and stick it in Paris

            • Camus April 5, 2018 at 11:29 am

              We’re building one already with Sissoko, Moura and Aurier.

              • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:31 am

                as-tu assis français

              • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 11:33 am

                The three Musketeers. All are shite, and shite are all.

                • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:38 am

                  Tous sont shite, et shite sont tous

                  • Camus April 5, 2018 at 11:39 am

                    Allez les Blunders

                    • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 11:41 am

                      Blunders Les Allen.

                    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:44 am

                      Prostituées et substituts

            • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 11:29 am

              Eiffel the same way.

              • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:31 am

                Arche du Tu

                • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:32 am

                  Arc du tu

  • Accy April 5, 2018 at 11:01 am

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:02 am

      hahaha

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 11:05 am

      Is this the Kazakhstand?

  • caveman April 5, 2018 at 10:57 am

    Lets hammer Stoke and get 3 more points on Saturday!!

  • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:27 am

    • OrganicPaper April 5, 2018 at 9:52 am

      Hehehe

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 9:58 am

      Sauce?

      Brilliant!

    • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 10:56 am

      It makes pages 67 & 82 of Karma Sutra much easier.

      • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 10:59 am

        I’ll get the WD40 out the van…

        • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 11:03 am

          Can you grab the gorilla wipes too, this could get messy.

      • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 10:59 am

        Thats where the arms come in

  • Camus April 5, 2018 at 8:36 am

    Saw someone refer to Pep as ‘Cheque’ last night.
    I like that.

    Fair play to the Pool for getting at City and their weak defence (were they rattled by the coach incident?)
    Only Pool and Wigan have done that this season, which is why they’ve walked the league. Fear and reputation.

    • Camus April 5, 2018 at 8:37 am

      The wheels will come off for Pool in the next round if Salah is still out by then.
      It’ll be delicious to watch.

    • gloster1861 April 5, 2018 at 8:45 am

      Yeah, I agree with that. I also agree with Easty that Citeh aren’t all that, they have weaknesses. Like United 15 years ago, other teams were beaten by reputation.

      That said, i rather hope that Citeh hammer Pooh in the return. I’d love to hear the whines and angst if Klopp loses.

      • Camus April 5, 2018 at 8:52 am

        I suspect Pool are through now but I’d enjoy them all getting carried away with it all and getting their 80’s flags out again before getting smashed in the next round. They won’t win the cup.

      • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 10:09 am

        Thats reactionary too. How many weaknesses did you think City had before the game Glos?
        City have played amazing football all season.

        • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 10:54 am

          …and won the league which is a marathon not a sprint. I think any question marks over the authenticity of Manchester City are rather hopeful.

          Played 31

          Drawn 3

          Lost 1

          16 points ahead of the side in second.

          Any more questions?

          • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 10:56 am

            Exactly

    • UnkleTaff April 5, 2018 at 9:18 am

      Kompany said the players weren’t affected by the coach but as the club captain you’d expect him to publicly say this. Privately … who knows? At this level even the slightest edge can make all the difference and I’d be surprised if it had no effect at all.

      In an ideal world Liverpool would go through, then get thrown out with their semi-final opponents getting a bye to the final.

      • Camus April 5, 2018 at 10:11 am

        I’d take that, Unk. 👍

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 10:33 am

      In 1960-61 we didnt win every game.

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 10:39 am

      Weak defence?

      City are second in the league with clean sheets and last in the league of goals conceded

  • Mad Carew April 5, 2018 at 5:52 am

    30 min preview before the Triathlon focussed on who of the other 35 Athletes were going to win the Bronze as the Brownlees were nailed on Gold & Silver, if i could swim i think i’d have beaten them both.

    • gloster1861 April 5, 2018 at 8:46 am

      Course you could…😉

      • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:29 am

        There has been boy who can swim faster then shark and lives in a cut n shunt car in Norm Oiland with 8 iPads and lives on chocolate coins…

  • Mad Carew April 5, 2018 at 5:44 am

    Doubt Dembele will get his 3year contract extension, best he can hope for is to extend his current contract by a year leaving him a further 2 seasons, he’ll,be a bit part player by then so we either cash in or pay as you play. No way will he play at this level until 35.

  • Still Nil Nil April 5, 2018 at 2:36 am

    Poxy,
    You are aware this is a spurs blog and not a Celtic blog don’t you?

    When you say ‘we’ in reference to being a Celtic fan, you could see why that would appear confusing?

    • Mikespurs April 5, 2018 at 5:29 am

      “We” always confuses me. I like i & me, but to be fair im a conceited a-hole

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:30 am

      🤣

    • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 8:42 am

      Poxy’s got a team in every port, the slag.

      • UnkleTaff April 5, 2018 at 9:20 am

        Never trust anyone who says they have a second team … let alone a third.

        • Freund or Foe April 5, 2018 at 10:53 am

          I’m also an Orient, Sutton Utd and Motherwell fan.

  • Hartley™ April 5, 2018 at 1:43 am

    Couldn’t sleep, didn’t know why, came on here and found the answer, forgot to put bins out. 💤💤💤

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 5, 2018 at 1:51 am

      Bin there done that

    • TyredMan 🚯 April 5, 2018 at 2:09 am

      Are there Liverpool supporters about?

      • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 5, 2018 at 2:35 am

        My son law I just had dinner with

  • Caveman April 5, 2018 at 1:25 am

    Still buzzing after Sunday !

  • Poxy April 4, 2018 at 11:49 pm

    You probably won’t read this now, Harry, but I, too, found HK’s reaction on the bench to our scoring heartwarming. As for Toby, it’s not a good situation. We don’t really want to lose him, certainly, but he is quite injury-prone – second season running, he’s had a lengthy spell on the sidelines. Incidentally, thought Sanchez had a good game on Sunday; one especially outstanding tackle.

    • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 9:30 am

      Injury prone is a bit exaggerated. Dembele and Bale are injury prone.

  • Poxy April 4, 2018 at 11:37 pm

    Gloster, have you seen my Tommy Docherty anecdotes below re Liverpool and Glasgow? Good win on Sunday, wasn’t it? Most enjoyable. Couldn’t agree with Harry’s comments re Dembele’s performance, though; I wasn’t alone in thinking he had a superb match.

  • Poxy April 4, 2018 at 11:24 pm

    I can’t agree with the comparison between Man City this season and Leicester season before last made further down. For one thing, during Leicester’s season of triumph the “big” clubs were very average by their normal standards and for another, Leicester hadn’t the distraction of European football, an advantage Chelsea also had last season and a Suarez-inspired Liverpool had when they nearly landed the title

  • Poxy April 4, 2018 at 11:13 pm

    Were Man City unnerved by the attack on their coach beforehand – bottles and cans and flares thrown at their coach with windows broken? I remember Celtic having to play the second leg of their ECWC game against Rapid Vienna again because of a single coin being thrown and purportedly striking a Rapid player when we were leading 3-0 on the night (and 4-3 on aggregate). Starting again at 3-1 down, the game also had to be played 200 miles from Glasgow.

    • gloster1861 April 4, 2018 at 11:15 pm

      Hi there Poxmeister! Long time no post.

      • Poxy April 4, 2018 at 11:32 pm

        Hi, Gloster! Tommy Docherty once joked that Liverpool were taking their “city of culture” seriously and that he had returned to his car to find it propped up on some books! He also joked that Jim Watt’s fight being delayed by TV demands till two o’clock in the morning gave the Scottish boxer an advantage because everybody fights in Glasgow at two o’clock in the morning!

    • gloster1861 April 4, 2018 at 11:16 pm

      Was the Citeh coach up on bricks after the match I wonder?

      • East Stand April 5, 2018 at 12:18 am

        They reckon it only involved about 10 blokes at the most. That’s one in the eye for their self proclaimed ‘best supporters in the world’ thing. Deluded, all clubs have a degree of thugs as supporters.

  • gloster1861 April 4, 2018 at 11:10 pm

    Is Coutinho available for Barca in the CL?

    • TyredMan 🚯 April 5, 2018 at 1:09 am

      Don’t know but I read somewhere he and Alexi San have the same problem, not living up to the overpriced hype.

      • Hartley™ April 5, 2018 at 1:49 am

        Don’t forget Pogba
        John Stones
        Bale and
        Awbangaman

  • gloster1861 April 4, 2018 at 11:08 pm

    Caspurs♿️
    Groin.

    Hopefully Salah misses a few games. Cmon Kane, time to hit a hat trick against Stoke and reclaim your crown from this poseur.

    • TyredMan 🚯 April 5, 2018 at 1:07 am

      Yep, Yep, Yep.

  • Urbane Sturgeon April 4, 2018 at 10:09 pm
    • Urbane Sturgeon April 4, 2018 at 10:09 pm

      Puddle o Liver goals tonight v Shitty.

    • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 10:11 pm

      The defending for Chamberlains opening goal is non existent…

  • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    Ok, something to debate. Does the ‘best team’ always win the league?

    City got up a head of steam early on and you can’t deny that they have loads of quality but I see some parallels with Leicester’s ‘fairytale’ season. Once you chalk up an early points cushion, the timing of those around you finding their groove is clearly key to it.

    City deserve to win it, Leicester did, even if they were helped by teams that just wanted to see us not win it either by rolling over or raising their game against us.

    You get the feeling that every club in the land seems to have accepted that City are going to win it and have been largely rolling over as they did for Leicester but tonight Liverpool went on the attack and got something, they tried to do the same against us at Anfield but we were better than City.

    Pep has had it easy this season as he has throughout his career, not saying he’s no good but this City team is not as good as everyone makes out. If Leicester can win the Premiership with two games to go then how good are this City team in real terms? They aren’t that good in defence and we need to do the same as Liverpool did tonight when they visit Wembley.

    In short, we are very close to City as a team and the points gap is warping the facts slightly…

    • Urbane Sturgeon April 4, 2018 at 10:12 pm

      “the points gap is warping the facts slightly…”

      Ha Ha Ha ….. luv it. I always thought the points WERE the facts.

      • AntSpurs April 4, 2018 at 10:15 pm

        Hehe, does have a few classics up the sleeve does Easty. Hold on we’re the top team, whatma laughing at 😯

        • SeattleSpursGuy April 4, 2018 at 10:21 pm

          Well, they’ve beaten every team in the league at least once. Hard to argue with that

        • AntSpurs April 4, 2018 at 10:21 pm

          City have blown everyone way this season Easty, it’s not even close. On our day we can beat anyone but their quality is phenomenal and depth to last a season. We are moving fast so in that respect I’m with you. Still a bit to go.

          • AntSpurs April 4, 2018 at 10:24 pm

            If it all goes tits up now I take it back. Fuck knows, the proof is in the pud.

            • Urbane Sturgeon April 4, 2018 at 10:31 pm

              For the 3rd year running we started slow, if we played the whole season like we’ve been playing the 2nd half of it we’d have won the Prem twice and be within spitting distance of shitty right now.

              .

              • Accy April 4, 2018 at 10:34 pm

                starting slow – This.

                Every. Season.

              • AntSpurs April 4, 2018 at 10:34 pm

                That preseason Pep took them on worked a treat, I thought it was a bad idea but they came out guns blazing.

                • Harry Hotspur April 5, 2018 at 8:35 am

                  They had a cracking start to the season and arguably won the league on the back of it. Meanwhile Levy was still trying to get our lot to play a charity game for plumbing supplier in Istanbul

              • East Stand April 5, 2018 at 12:22 am

                That’s my point US…

            • Urbane Sturgeon April 4, 2018 at 10:33 pm

              The proof is in the eating.

              I’m a pedant.

          • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 11:52 pm

            You’ve misinterpreted my post, the point I’m making is are City as good as a team as everyone thinks?

            Yes they’re top of the league and yes they’ve spent a fortune on quality players, they deserve to be where they are.

            My point is that they got off to a flyer and things slotted into place nicely.

            They are the best team in the league without doubt but the debate for me is by how much.

            One can use Leicester as an example of points amassed over a season and how things fell into place for them. It’s common knowledge they they are the worst quality side to ever win the top Division in England in the modern era.

            Therefore is it not equally relevant to apply that to City? Not saying they aren’t the best side, just that the points gap is often not the whole story and how much better are they in real terms.

            Their defence has rarely been tested and there’s been a fear factor but Liverpool showed tonight that it’s a weakness.

            Who knows but I don’t see them running off with it quite as easily next season…

      • Ronwol1960-61 April 4, 2018 at 10:35 pm

        Fact News!

      • East Stand April 5, 2018 at 12:08 am

        Points are points, the facts are the circumstances that lead to the points.

        Cause = facts, and points = effect. Keeping up?

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 4, 2018 at 10:32 pm

      Have you been on acid???????????????

      • East Stand April 5, 2018 at 12:06 am

        No???????????????

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 4, 2018 at 10:33 pm

      its total reactionary bullshit

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 4, 2018 at 10:36 pm

      You do get a prize. Equating City with Leicester is the most ridiculous thing Ive read on here since I joined 9 years ago

      • Accy April 4, 2018 at 10:38 pm

        The most ridiculous thing you’ve read on here? Do you not read Dilly’s posts?

        • Ronwol1960-61 April 4, 2018 at 10:41 pm

          I disregard Dillys posts although he is a good bloke

          • Accy April 4, 2018 at 10:43 pm

            agreed. back soon.

          • East Stand April 5, 2018 at 12:13 am

            And I’m not a good bloke because I criticise ENIC? Ok Ron…

      • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 11:58 pm

        You aren’t reading my post properly or not understanding my point.

        It’s total crap to not compare the seasons of two teams who have recently won the league.

        What, City are from Mars and Leicester was just some fairytale bullshit?

        My only point is HOW much better are City? Leicester were not the best team they just had the best points haul for one reason or another.

        You’re the one being fucking reactionary by not entertaining the discussion.

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 4, 2018 at 10:38 pm

      after you slammed Levy for not spending enough you equate us with them. Its fucking mind blowing

      • East Stand April 5, 2018 at 12:01 am

        What has this got to do with Levy? Totally separate subject, even if you do feel he can do no wrong, a nd you do… I like others feel he could do a lot better. Is that so terrible?

        • East Stand April 5, 2018 at 12:05 am

          I asked a simple question about to what degree City are better than everyone else and everyone’s heads explode.

          Let’s all stick our tongues up Pep’s arse and their oil money instead? They were pulled apart by Liverpool tonight and their defence looked very bad. A sign of a great side? Debate? No? Fuck it, whatever…

          • East Stand April 5, 2018 at 12:11 am

            They are a brilliant side, but how brilliant?

            This is obviously taboo subject matter…

    • Ronwol1960-61 April 5, 2018 at 12:46 am

      I know your points. Youve said before that Pep got handed these three clubs and how could he go wrong.
      You forget that he was handed them for a reason.

      You compare City with Leicester. I really dont even want o debate that point because there is no point.

      I didnt say you were a bad bloke.I dont know you. Ive met DD.I wasnt referring to you.

      Not sure what you believe about City because its all over the place

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 9:49 pm

    Not a single shot on target for Man City, that’s a damning indictment of tonight’s play.

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 9:51 pm

      I also think that when City git to the final third pool had everyone covered….

      • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 9:52 pm

        Meaning they wete too slow
        Methodical when Pool faster set rhe defence

        • Mattspurs April 4, 2018 at 11:11 pm

          Not creative enough

          • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 5, 2018 at 1:58 am

            Speed. They are generally about control but Liverpool.double teamed every player. And all Ciry could do was pass back and sides. Pool played it perfectly

    • Sexy Beast April 4, 2018 at 9:58 pm

      They have shot their bolt in the League.

  • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 9:48 pm

    Lots of the ball but very little penetration from City
    Liverpool defence very disciplined

  • Mikespurs April 4, 2018 at 9:45 pm

    Man c got league wrapped up no league play & show up for a game like this. Expected more

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 9:38 pm

    It’s on nights like these you miss Spit the Dog and his analysis.

  • TyredMan 🚯 April 4, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    4-1 Barca

    • TyredMan 🚯 April 4, 2018 at 9:29 pm

      The biter

  • Matt April 4, 2018 at 9:24 pm

    Salah injured. Liverpool through and distracted. And they’ll get stuffed by Barca or Madrid. And walker doesn’t get that CL medal. Great night.

    • Mikespurs April 4, 2018 at 9:26 pm

      1 more leg but pappy looks f…ed.

    • Sexy Beast April 4, 2018 at 9:32 pm

      Was Salad injured?

      • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 9:33 pm

        Groin.

  • SeattleSpursGuy April 4, 2018 at 9:23 pm

    This could work to our advantage. City get humiliated today and want to bounce back. They smack ManU around this weekend to win the league. The title being won, they are less focused for their visit to Wembley and we punch them in the throat.

    • TyredMan 🚯 April 4, 2018 at 9:27 pm

      Now ya talkin.

    • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 9:27 pm

      Better if the Wheels come off completely and we go on to win the League in our no hope Wembley Season.

    • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 9:49 pm

      Plus they’ll be wanting to turn the CL tie around, they’ll be thinking about that.

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 9:22 pm

    Jesus has been booked

    • TyredMan 🚯 April 4, 2018 at 9:23 pm

      Oh God!

      • Mikespurs April 4, 2018 at 9:24 pm

        Oh mary

      • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 9:25 pm

        Wouldn’t dare send him off, he’d be back after the 3rd day !

  • Mikespurs April 4, 2018 at 9:22 pm

    Thought liver would nip it. But 3-0. Didn’t see that

  • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 9:16 pm

    I can’t see citeh scoring, the seem to be shooting blanks.

  • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 9:11 pm

    Pep’s an annoying man, good luck to him.

  • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 9:09 pm

    I understand the irritation of Klopp and some of the Liverpool fans sense of entitlement but we’ll be laughing our arses off if Citeh don’t make the final.

    Walker looks shit, a big game player or not?

    • Mikespurs April 4, 2018 at 9:23 pm

      Whole team looks shit. Honesty surprised

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 8:57 pm

    Man City will be looking for a smaller Trophy Cabinet, 4 Trophies Feck Off You Citizens !

    • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 8:58 pm

      The One Man Team is coming for you.

    • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 9:09 pm

      Pep’s an annoying man, good luck to him.

  • SeattleSpursGuy April 4, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    Gabriel Jesus completed three passes in the first half vs. Liverpool.

    All 3 of them were from kick-off. 🙃

  • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    We beat Liverpool soundly and deserved to win there in the league, we beat Madrid and could have won there yet we go out to Juventus like that.

    “It’s a funny old game Saint”…

    • Sexy Beast April 4, 2018 at 9:03 pm

      Madrid would not have won 3 nil at Wemberly last night.

      • Sexy Beast April 4, 2018 at 9:04 pm

        *or Wembely

        • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 9:48 pm

          Or even Wembley..

      • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 9:05 pm

        Exacamundo

  • SpurAndy 🍒π April 4, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    The whistling and booing is a bit childish a d annoying.

    • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 8:55 pm

      Any things better than Walk on

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    No changes, Pep is worker than Poch

    • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 8:53 pm

      Worser

  • Lilywhite without the ll April 4, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    Liverpool’s short and long range passing has been fantastic to be fair…..

    • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 8:50 pm

      A lot of football to be played in this tie, if Liverpool concede one they’ll get nervy at the back. People say Liverpool are poor defensively but City aren’t a great deal better.

      Both use attack as their defensive tactic, this could end 8-8 on agg going to pens!!

  • Lilywhite without the ll April 4, 2018 at 8:38 pm

    Levy has a split personality – half psychopath and half sociopath…his first half probably thought “lets build them a wall of sound, they will love me and be happy to pay, the second half thought “how can I take advantage of this gift I’m giving them”

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 8:39 pm

      It was never a gift

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 8:40 pm

      Its not personal its business

      • Lilywhite without the ll April 4, 2018 at 8:46 pm

        Let’s see how personal he takes it when it doesn’t work..
        He could of easily made the whole South Stand £900-950 seats and I think everyone would of taken that…move the 1882 to the East and charged £2500

        • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 8:48 pm

          He wont drop the prices but give short term packages if he has to like throwing in some tickets with reg price seats

      • Sexy Beast April 4, 2018 at 8:59 pm

        Its madness Ron, to stripe the fans for £2,200 for the most popular areas in the upper West, East and South stands is i think a poor miscalculation by Levy which could put him in an awkward situation if they don’t sell out to season ticket holders as he will be looking to sell these on match by match basis, this will mean tickets available at £116 minimum for a premier league game. How much would he charge for a NLD for goodness sake?

        • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 9:47 pm

          Rhey are better off going to Eripe for the weekend and watching on the tele

  • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 8:36 pm

    Wow!!!
    I like both the managers but prefer
    Pep to beat Klopp

    • DAVID April 4, 2018 at 8:42 pm

      Think it was last season Liverpool blitzed us in the first half and were 3-0 up after 30 minutes.
      They will tire after putting in so much effort but have something to defend now.
      If it ends up 3-0 Liverpool will be delighted.

      • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 8:44 pm

        If it ends up 3-0 Liverpool will be through imo.

        • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 8:49 pm

          Yep
          But they get 2 they are in a good position

      • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 8:44 pm

        Could be 3-2 to Pool

    • East Stand April 4, 2018 at 8:45 pm

      I’m not keen on either and I can’t decide.

  • Lilywhite without the ll April 4, 2018 at 8:31 pm

    I’ve now lost half a day pay cashing up on the blogs….worth every penny…

  • Corkspur April 4, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    Pool will tire 2 nd half

  • SeattleSpursGuy April 4, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    Pep Out!

    • SpurAndy 🍒π April 4, 2018 at 8:30 pm

      Hate that bit of white spittle he keeps producing. Spittle out!

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 8:20 pm

    City are quaking in their boots

  • DAVID April 4, 2018 at 8:17 pm

    Poxo Chamberlain looking like a different player since he joined Liverpool.
    3-0. Pep needs to earn his corn now.

  • richspurs April 4, 2018 at 8:11 pm

    Put some moola on Pool to win the damned potty.

    • richspurs April 4, 2018 at 8:13 pm

      Think they need Pocho to make some tactical changes, yes??

      • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 8:41 pm

        Lol!!

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    Man City Bottling it, we could still be Champions

    • richspurs April 4, 2018 at 8:09 pm

      Hahahaha.

      Mind ye, one away goal changes a lot.

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 8:07 pm

    Jeez cracker second Ox

    • Lilywhite April 4, 2018 at 8:14 pm

      Arsenal are fools

  • Accy April 4, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    Christ!

  • Sexy Beast April 4, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    I see Pep has his yellow ribbon on again, anyone see the tweet that got Julian Assange banned by twitter?

  • Lilywhite April 4, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    Over here in Souf Florida, the local NFL team, the Miami Dolphins, recently renovated their ground – totally gutting the existing structure. I know, I know, it’s a different sport, location, type of supporter, etc… but hear me out as far as corporate seating goes: the ground is now filled with spacious premium seating, mezzanine type suites (entire floors from which to watch – not just a box) and countless additional bells and whistles. What does this amount to? Many more empty seats during the match, much less noise, way more distracted fans eating, farting about, staring at their phones.

    This is not to say an intense NLD, or any match for that matter, will necessarily look like this at our new ground. But beware, especially in those fancy roped off areas like the 1882 whatever it is, smacked right damn in the center of our new home end.

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 8:38 pm

      Its London and draws from 40 mil at any one time

  • Accy April 4, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    This was a great read. The point is very well made.

    Still can’t believe the club are treating the royals like this.

    The atmosphere’s going to become one of those like at Wimblebum when two players rated 596 and 432 respectively are playing each other and everyone applauds politely.

    Meanwhile, the away fans will be in full voice.

    • Accy April 4, 2018 at 8:02 pm

      *loyals not royals cunting autocorrect.

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    Good job we got shot of Walker

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 7:58 pm

    Salah

  • Stevo1987 April 4, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    Sad news about Ray Wilkins. I had heard he was doing really well until the third goal went in.

  • too much fun April 4, 2018 at 7:49 pm

    rooting for man city
    worried i am being priced out of spurs, no poor fans needed (not until rich ones stop going)
    Corporate world is changing (bribery act etc) and stadium willl have to be modified to get back normalfolk

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 7:43 pm

    Amazing Atmosphere at Anfield

  • richspurs April 4, 2018 at 7:41 pm

    So. Whos we rootin tootin for tonite?!?

    • Sexy Beast April 4, 2018 at 7:53 pm

      I want a pool win by a goal, then City to go through after extra time next week, then we stuff em at Wemberlane….

      • richspurs April 4, 2018 at 8:07 pm

        Geddit. They will be distracted. Minds elsewhere.

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 7:35 pm

    I fancy a treble in the First Round 3 Balls at the Masters Tomorrow
    15:42 Woods 21/20, FLEETWOOD 11/5, Leishman 5/2
    18:27 MICKELSON 6/4, Fowler 8/5, Kuchar 23/10
    18:38 McIlroy 6/5, RAHM 9/5, Scott 13/5
    £10 pays £218:40

  • mattspurs April 4, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    The lower part of the South stand 49 rows looks pretty much sold out – That equates to the lower tier of Wembley and another 5 rows.
    Then there are about 10 rows of 1882 seats that are maybe 10% sold
    Above that the first couple of rows are selling but most of the next seats at £1200 are unsold, then a gap to where they get cheaper again at £950 where a few are sold.

    I think there are still about 4 phases to go but the ‘Wall’ simply isn’t getting filled by ST holders. Clearly if top dollar is being asked for people would prefer to spend it on the side views.

    Oh
    Dear

    • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 7:34 pm

      It’s 8%.

      Why are you still here?

      • Mattspurs April 4, 2018 at 11:21 pm

        Because I’ve read the books on my bookshtlf

  • Sexy Beast April 4, 2018 at 6:55 pm

    City coach attacked by the bin dippers, ffs why ?

    • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 6:58 pm

      Let’s hope they get a CL ban.

    • Freund or Foe April 4, 2018 at 7:11 pm

      Cos they mistook it for a bin lorry?

      • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 7:15 pm

        It still had wheels on it?

  • gloster1861 April 4, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    “For those of you in the cheap seats I’d like ya to clap your hands to this one; the rest of you can just rattle your jewelry.”

    John Lennon.

    But seems as applicable to the New Destination crowd in the future.

    • 89Spurs👁 April 4, 2018 at 6:47 pm

      Bring back the football rattle, or are they banned with the selfie 🤳 stick?

    • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 6:55 pm

      Ouch.

      That one. That one all over…

  • UnkleTaff April 4, 2018 at 6:35 pm

    The postponed Newcastle match has been rescheduled for Wednesday the 9th May –between the West Brom (a) and Leicester (h) games.

  • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 6:32 pm

    For a lot of supporters that want us to get away frim balance sheets and end if years statements and more into footie we sure are spending our time in forensic accounting…..it just doesnt add up

    • gloster1861 April 4, 2018 at 6:42 pm

      It’s the way you tell ’em Frank.

  • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    I preferred the abbreviated version on SSC. : )

    • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 6:24 pm

      Wot woz it?

  • Mad Carew April 4, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    As long as it’s finished for the start of next Season, better keep it like a new pin (will every fan be expected to pay for a Forensic (Navy & White) Suit ?), we’ll be the envy of the footballing World.

  • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 6:19 pm

    Meanwhile…

    • Sexy Beast April 4, 2018 at 6:25 pm

      What has the poison dwarf Wise been saying now?

      • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 6:46 pm

        He loikes bumm funn

    • SpurAndy 🍒π April 4, 2018 at 6:30 pm

      Saw The Debate (Sky) this morning and him and Wrighty were grudgingly forced to agree that Tottenham were the top team in London atm and not just cos we are above them in the league. Wise looked like he’d swallowed one of his bollocks when he agreed.

      • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 6:31 pm

        Was it an itsy bitsy teeny weeny bollock?

        • SpurAndy 🍒π April 4, 2018 at 6:35 pm

          Gnat sized.

      • UnkleTaff April 4, 2018 at 6:36 pm

        Wright’s been singing our praises for quite a while now.

        • SpurAndy 🍒π April 4, 2018 at 6:42 pm

          I like Wrighty.

          • UnkleTaff April 4, 2018 at 6:50 pm

            Me too.

            Don’t know if you know this, but we came very close to signing him before he went to Arsenal. If we hadn’t already got Paul Stewart on our book he would have joined us instead.

            This is according to Wrighty himself.

            • SpurAndy 🍒π April 4, 2018 at 6:54 pm

              Yep I’ve heard that and also about Bergkamp who wanted to come to us but Sugar hadn’t heard of him so didn’t follow it up.

        • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 6:56 pm

          He’s been media coached.

      • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 6:45 pm

        Wise has a penchant for that flavour. Allegedly…

  • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 6:18 pm

    I give up

    Fuck Levy

    Ive been battered into submission

    • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 6:22 pm

      Haddock Enough & Chips R Down, sir?

      • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 6:25 pm

        Fin

        • 89Spurs👁 April 4, 2018 at 6:26 pm

          You ain’t got no Sole !

          • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 6:28 pm

            I keep carping on about it

          • Mikespurs April 4, 2018 at 6:30 pm

            You sir have dancing feet with nibble soles. I have a soul of lead……. or somthin like that

        • Mikespurs April 4, 2018 at 6:27 pm

          4 in front…….4 in back…….2 to eat cheese in the middle. Thought that was conman knowledge

          • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 6:29 pm

            got to asiago

            • Mikespurs April 4, 2018 at 6:31 pm

              Cheddar me later

  • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 6:16 pm

    Can somebody eaplain 4-2-4 to me

    • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 6:23 pm

      You will need to speak to the prison Charlie Chaplean

      • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 6:26 pm

        I need a mathematician. I think its 10..not sure

    • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 6:26 pm

      Yep it’s -2

      • ronwol196061🇨🇦🕎⚽🎷🎥 April 4, 2018 at 6:27 pm

        Its 6.26

  • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    Fer facksake H, don’t you have any illiterate guest bloggers?

    • Harry Hotspur April 4, 2018 at 6:16 pm

      I cunte foind nun

  • Caspurs♿️ April 4, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    Fackit!!!!!