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Stupid, Dumb, Not Needed Safe Standing

Stupid, Dumb, Not Needed Safe Standing

Who’ll sanction safe standing?

This is like asking repeated Home Secretaries if they were going to be the one to release a Moors Murderer or Peter Sutcliffe because their tariff had been served? Suddenly the room goes quiet.

Organisers of a meeting for Liverpool fans to debate the merits of safe standing admit it is “a pretty big step” for the discussion to even take place.

Ninety-six supporters died after a crush on the terraces at Hillsborough in 1989 and many of the victims’ families remain opposed to the return of standing – in the form of rail seating.

However, there is a growing momentum for a comeback, with such footballing luminaries as Shrewsbury and Northampton expressing their desire to trial it in the English Football League.

It is a highly emotive issue on Merseyside and Liverpool fans group Spirit of Shankly are to hold two meetings – one in private with Hillsborough families and survivors – to gauge the prevailing mood.

Whilst my Scouser grief fatigue is no secret, it’s a natural and indeed vital element in discussions to invite opinion from the one group of fans that were most grotesquely hurt by ‘loose’ fans.

That said, there is an obsessional slant from the proponents of the whole ‘safe standing’ debate. Is standing up at football matches required or even relevant in 2017?

What isn’t relevant is referencing tales of the dark days of football hooliganism and for that matter, blow by blow accounts of how the 96 Liverpool fans met their deaths.

Those cultural climates simply cannot be replicated by the introduction of a match day model that has been relentlessly proved to be very very safe in other other leagues.

Of course, the tossers in the THST are passionate about safe standing – which is beyond ironic – as they are the very pinnacle of being analogue in a digital age.

Standing at games just isn’t needed.

The audience has changed, changed to the point of being unrecognisable from the last time we all stood up.

Like it or not, the game is no longer the pastime of the ordinary working man. Oh look, I’ve had some great times dancing about with the nutters in the pub, beer everywhere and the hangover that kicks in half an hour after kick off.

But how many Client Reference numbers actually do that? The answer is very few. A complete minority group. You’d appeal to a bigger sector of fans these days by offering a Wheat/Gluten Free cafes on the concourses. A vegan craft beer in one hand and the latest smartphone in the other is – like it or not – where we are.

It’s time for fans to put their hands up and admit the war is over. The good old football pub if yesteryear barely exists. So why are you trying in inflict an echo of the past?

Campaigning to stand simply is going through the motions. Lads, face facts. Your hearts aren’t really in it. Football clubs are barely able to marshal sitting fans and the type of fan who’ll jump on the standing bus is frankly going to be a pain in the posteria to be near.

Let the street-tuff Clearasil Kids from the 1882 mob embarrass themselves somewhere without cameras.

The New Destination™ we are told is ‘safe standing ready’. Good grief. This reminds me of all those duff TVs that were stickered up as HD Ready. My drive is Ferrari Ready. Safe Standing is a close to happening in the Premier League as a players’ wage cap is.

Atmosphere at grounds will not be conditioned by how the fans opt to position themselves once their inside the ground.

You want to charge football fans the same price of admission as it is to go the ballet or the opera, offer  Michelin star food and cheese boards, and then expect a section of performing monkeys to make some crowd noise for you?

Yeah, that’ll work. That’s a seamless plan. Bravo.

Football is a little bit broken and right now, the pieces can’t be easily put back together by hiring extras from the 1980s.

Football has bigger fish to fry, if it is ever to take a path that leads to recovery. Jesus wept, we’ve just discovered that Spurs have outsourced one of our friendly games.

Next you’ll be suggesting piped crowd noises. Or flicking the volume switch to drown out dissenting fans. Oh, hang on…

 

 

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  • Aside from cerebrospinal fluid, what's on your mind?

  • Urbane Sturgeon July 7, 2017 at 9:30 am

    I hate to say it but I reckon Aitch has largely hit the nail on the head. I don’t have a problem with sections (behind seated fans at the rear of each level, several people deep) for standers; I do believe it might improve the atmosphere & generate more singing, but bars in front of all seats is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

    I’ve always suspected that the main thrust behind new standing proposals is driven by a ‘more punters, same prices’ strategy.

  • Sexy Beast July 6, 2017 at 7:07 pm

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  • Ed July 6, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    Here is something you haven’t even considered. Every time there is goal space action people immediately stand up to get a better view. Elderly or even mildly disabled spectators can’t do that, at least as quickly, and so they miss the action. I am slightly disabled and once had a season ticket which I gave up because of this. How I wished to be back on the terraces, dangerous though these could be at times. Safe standing would solve both of these problems. Bring them on!

    • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 6:16 pm

      I hear you Ed, but your support is based upon the ‘hope’ that safe standing will stop people blocking your view.

      • Ed July 6, 2017 at 6:28 pm

        No, not hope, but the experience of many years on the terraces where everyone stood and had an equal chance of watching the action. In seats, only the fittest watch.

        • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 6:33 pm

          I understand the process, but safe standing is ZERO guarantee you’ll get a better view. Is it?

          • BERNARD July 6, 2017 at 7:06 pm

            i sit or rather ( stand ) in the south stand or rather ( used to ) where every one stands it took the stewards a bit of time to get fed up telling everyone to sit that they just gave up and the fans stood every game without any trouble at all i do think it can work fine you do get a better feel for the game rather than sitting in between 2 fat blokes in small seats

  • Jim,Newry Spur. July 6, 2017 at 5:47 pm

    Ever thought about a night at the opera Harry instead of footy, only for the despised minority who do sing , you might as well be in church or the library.

    • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 5:54 pm

      You don;t appear to have read a single word of the above blog. Then, thinking is optional.

  • Sham July 6, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    Decent section of The Shelf stood, as did the whole of the Park Lane lower. Given half a chance I’d bet a decent chunk of members would’ve swapped their seats elsewhere to be in either. I take the point of a changing demographic and it’s definitely shifted, but there’s absolutely appetite for standing. Why have seats when no-one sits on them?

    • mystic arnold July 6, 2017 at 7:15 pm

      In a lot of cases people HAVE to stand because of the people in front of them either that or 90 minutes of looking at the back of the person in front.

  • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 4:19 pm
  • Caspurs♿️ July 6, 2017 at 4:01 pm

    I tried to read it all, but it’s too scorchio.
    Can someone tell me what was the general drift was about please (in 5 words or less please)?

    • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 4:05 pm

      Read it yourself you lazy

    • SpurAndy 🍒π July 6, 2017 at 4:09 pm

      Get seated or beat it.

  • modricbigtoe July 6, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    “Whilst my Scouser grief fatigue is no secret, it’s a natural and indeed vital element in discussions to invite opinion from the one group of fans that were most grotesquely hurt by ‘loose’ fans.” Were you referring to Juventus fans there?

  • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    Anyone that has met me knows I have a short legs and long body issue. Ok, short legs and average body length issue.
    Standing or sitting makes little difference.

    • Horndog July 6, 2017 at 4:38 pm

      I will sell you my legs

  • SpurAndy 🍒π July 6, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    Don’t have a problem with safe standing unless I had to be in it. Much prefer to sit and be able to see the action rather than trying to catch a glimpse round someone jumping up and down. And it’s not just cos I’m an old git, even in me yoof when I was a regular I would have preferred a seat. What does annoy though is being made to stand in a seating area because everyone else is standing.

    • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      First step, ban afro`s, Something About Mary fringe quiff`s, and anyone over 6`.

      • SpurAndy 🍒π July 6, 2017 at 3:24 pm

        Vote FoFty, you know it makes sense ❎

        • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:29 pm

          If I get enough support, I`m happy to stand in the next erection.

          • SpurAndy 🍒π July 6, 2017 at 3:39 pm

            The likeness is spooky 🙂

            • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:53 pm

              A doppelbanger, for sure.

      • gloster1861 July 6, 2017 at 3:30 pm

        Ban anyone over six foot?

        Thanks a lot.

        • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:33 pm

          It`s not indefinite. There are corrective procedures available.

          • gloster1861 July 6, 2017 at 3:36 pm

            I can learn to stoop on match days.

            • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:55 pm

              The hunchback of Gloucester, damn.

    • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 3:25 pm

      Standing to watch a football match in 2017 is madness. The cost of the stewarding will negate the extra sales and you’ll spend the entire game on your feet – whilst paying box office prices.

      Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Anyone wanting to have a midlife crisis near me will get short shrift. Can you imagine being next to some cunt with wooden rattle and ants in his pants when you’ve shelled out £64 to watch us plod around against Juve?

      Get the flip away from me you flamingo perching fucks.

      • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 3:32 pm

        Dortmund. M.Gladbach…etc.
        San Siro.
        Etc.

        • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 3:34 pm

          €20 at Stuttgart

          • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 3:40 pm

            All German prices are fan favourable.

            • gloster1861 July 6, 2017 at 3:47 pm

              It’s almost as if their clubs were run by the fans.

            • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 3:50 pm

              Which makes the whole thing make sense. The game is structured properly.

              I’m not paying £60 to stand to watch Spurs or anyone else for that matter. Just looked on the Eventim site at their tickets for bands. Everyone’s cheaper than Spurs and if you want to stand, you’ll have to watch a boyband.

              • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 4:09 pm

                I’ve never even paid £60 to sit at WHL.

                Really though I think it’s an age thing – I still stand at gigs given a choice and would probably take a standing ST if offered. Asked me the same question when I hit 50 and I’ll probably be happier sitting at both.

              • cyril July 6, 2017 at 5:12 pm

                well mate at wembley for the semi final on row 21 of the lower tier i paid about that amount and had no choice if i wanted to see anything. the lower tier of park lane has been standing for years. it is a pain for old folk, small adults and kids. for those who want to do it then put them all together in that new south stand (i was told that it has been designed for easy conversion to standing) and charge them less. better atmosphere (my biggest fear is too much leg room and too comfy and consequent reduction in atmosphere) and win win. by the way, the gradient that is clear on the latest photos does suggest there cd be a cracking atmosphere unlike wembley and the olympic park

      • Daniel Primus July 6, 2017 at 3:57 pm

        is this some sort of pensioners blog!
        someone get this old fart out the building! Standing is what generates the atmosphere in the stadium if you cant hack it any more you old prune give it to the new young blood of spurs fans.
        you bunch of old moaning fragile faced, jelly kneed fuckers!

        i will happily pay to stand and be part of the amazing atmosphere,who wants to go to a game where everyone is sitting down! get with the times!!! i tell you what tho face to face you wouldn’t try tell me to sit down old man i dare you!

        • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 4:06 pm

          Yes.

          I’m guessing much of it will be an age thing; 50+ and they’ll be happier to sit depending on how the haemorrhoids are.

        • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 5:57 pm

          I’d leave the telling to a steward. Although I do have some modest form for dealing with pricks trying to spoil my day in public places. As Essex Police can confirm.

          • Daniel primus July 6, 2017 at 7:11 pm

            Did you throw your teeth at him?

  • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    Standing? No chance. How the hell am I supposed to stand in the tunnel club, cheese platter, glass of port, watching the players whilst stroking my hardon? Nice upholstered seat please, with a folding table from the armrest like on aeroplanes. And a blanket.

    • Hartley July 6, 2017 at 3:06 pm

      • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:10 pm

        Incredible control.

        • Hartley July 6, 2017 at 3:28 pm

          I taught him that.

          • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:29 pm

            I bet you can wiggle your ears too.

            • Hartley™ July 6, 2017 at 3:36 pm

              No, but I can swing my balls to Ravel’s Bolero.

              • gloster1861 July 6, 2017 at 3:40 pm

                I remember a good joke which surprisingly went out on Radio Four in a spoof historical drama.

                “My library where I read my books.
                My dining room where I eat my meals.
                My ballroom where I hold my balls…”

                Delivered deadpan by Timothy West.

                • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 3:50 pm

                  West was a great Rumpole (talking books)

  • nick July 6, 2017 at 2:48 pm

    Last standing game I went to was away at Fulham in the cup where we were spanked 3-1 .Sh!t ground sh!t game but the standing wasn’t an issue.I do agree though that it isn’t in keeping with modern football.

  • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 2:45 pm

    mattspurs

    I’ve swapped seats with a mate in the South Lower a couple of times – have stood for pretty much the whole game on every occasion. I’ve also stood for 90 minutes at pretty much every away game I’ve been to.

    I think you’re exaggerating. Newcastle? Liverpool? Old Trafford?

    • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 3:07 pm

      Newcastle is the game I actually sat at (maybe something to do with being so high up?)
      Liverpool I stood for 90 minutes – someone else had the same seat/ticket. Ironically it was on the anniversary of Hillsborough and they’d managed to balls up ‘safe seating’. Dawson’s debut and Edman’s rocket.
      Swansea, Man City, Fulham, Forest, Leeds, Southampton, United and Chelsea I stood for 90 minutes. I’ve made multiple trips to Swansea and Fulham so probably sat for one in ten.

      Wembley you’re annoyingly up and down the whole game (Spurs and England)

      • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:18 pm

        Hahaha, very funny. Up and down for England games, what a cracker.

        • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 3:21 pm

          England games are terrible – loads of moaning and fighting about people standing

          • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:23 pm

            I`m surprised they don`t leave a pillow and a bedtime story on every seat.

    • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 3:14 pm

      Chelsea, Watford. Stood up at their ground for 90 mins.
      As did the rest of our support.

      • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 3:17 pm

        I’ll have to send them all flowers.

  • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    Me

    Safe standing is safer than seats where everybody jumps up and can tumble over the seats in front.

    The rails between standing rows is far safer.

    In other news, rain is wet.

  • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 2:40 pm

    I’ve swapped seats with a mate in the South Lower a couple of times – have stood for pretty much the whole game on every occasion. I’ve also stood for 90 minutes at pretty much every away game I’ve been to.

  • Big toe July 6, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    I would like to see some “safe standing areas”. It would reduce the constant friction between Stewards & the fans who stand. They slowly get one row at a time to sit, then its “stand up if you hate Arse”, its stupid. Plus the leg room for me is to narrow, who designed it, EasyJet?

  • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    Safe standing for me.

    South Stand stood up as will most of the West Stand at Wembley.
    Stewards know it’s a lost cause trying to enforce unatmospheric sitting.
    Hillsborough was caused by other factors than standing…policing…overcrowding…and a lack of basic safety protocols.
    Rail seats are the future.

    • MysteriousStranger July 6, 2017 at 2:39 pm

      Rail seats are the future. Unless they are on London Midland trains.

    • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 2:40 pm

      Trouble is Brux, introducing standing will not automatically migrate nuisance standers, if anything it will empower them further.

      • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 2:45 pm

        No it will not.

        • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 3:14 pm

          Of course it will. The evidence is incontrovertible.

          ‘Why are you standing?’
          ‘Well he is!’

          That’s how it is now.

          Safe standing will only make it worse. Why? Because typically, people are stupid and greedy.

          The pricing in Europe won’t work here either.
          No Premier League club is going to charge is going to charge £15 for a standing ticket.

          • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 3:23 pm

            That’s how it is now?
            I wouldn’t be having this chat with you if it was incontrovertible.
            That’s freedom of thought and expression.
            Stewards will deal with persistant standers in majority seated areas.
            Let THEM do their job and maintain the relatively trouble free arrangements be.

          • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 3:24 pm

            You still get a seat – you just have the right not to use it.

            I’m not sure I get the logic of people in the seats being motivated to stand because people in the standing section are. Do you mean if the standing section sells out?

  • nick July 6, 2017 at 2:34 pm

    Seats cost money & restrict numbers,ALL chairmen at football clubs want more income.It will happen & im nearly sure that shrewsbury have been given permission for safe standing this coming season,although I may be wrong

  • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 2:34 pm

    Alex

    If you ever looked at the South Stand lower at WHL, or the East Stand lower, where everyone stands, or the countless arguments throughout the stadium every match day caused by people wanting to stand up in areas where the majority sit down, you’d probably come to the conclusion that providing people with a choice of sitting or standing would be a good thing, not a bad thing, especially in the context of building a whole new stadium.

    But hey, any opportunity to have a needless pop at the supporter’s trust must be taken, yeah?

    Needless? I’d disagree. They are champions of time-wasting and this is something else that nobody needs and is never going to be successful.

    The people wanting to stand up don’t want to stand up the whole game and they are dick-heads anyway.

    Thankfully a minority of dick-heads, but dick-heads nevertheless.

    • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 2:44 pm

      5,000 dickheads?
      More like passionate Spurs fans who have tickets and respect all around them.
      Never been pushed or asked to sit for two seasons.
      Long may it continue.

      If I wanted to sit, I’d go to another part of the ground. Or join the dickheads who hardly ever go and have some sort of “opinion”.

      • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 2:52 pm

        Er… the dickhead comment was aimed at those that ruined Alex’s experience.

        That said, I dispute 5000 people stood up at WHL and if I’de been in Alex’s position, I’d have walked out.

        The entire point of liberty is that it doesn’t impinge upon the liberty of others.

        • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 3:09 pm

          There did seem to be some unwritten rule that standing was acceptable in some areas of WHL. Shelf is pretty much always standing, and I`ve never seen anyone being told to sit down. South the same, though I do remember one game where one poor steward took it on himself to try to get hundreds to sit, with no help from his rather bored looking colleagues. You can imagine the shit he got for the rest of the game.
          I`ve had games ruined by some tall cunt standing in front of me, but some of the best atmosphere`s I`ve experienced have been whilst whole areas have been standing.
          Sorry, I can`t help with the conundrum.

      • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 3:12 pm

        So how many did the South Stand Lower hold? And the Shelf Side?

        We expect to stand every week.
        The stewards expect us to stand every week and I must say everyone is agreeable.

        A little bit of research by the tourists would decrease the amount of friction…if any.

        Taking small kids to the Soth Stand isn’t a great idea on vocabulary grounds…let alone standing issues!

        • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 3:26 pm

          I’ve just worked this out.

          You’re just showing off your new knee.

          • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 3:28 pm

            Has it reached your bollocks yet?

        • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 3:30 pm

          I took my daughter and sat in the Paxton and the swearing was terrible. I preferred to take her in the South Upper to my ST seat where those sitting near would be considerate.

          • Bruxie July 6, 2017 at 3:42 pm

            Don’t let her see this site then!

  • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    JJ

    ok so when did Siggy sign?? wasn’t it meant to be yesterday??

    No cunt, try reading the article again.

  • danspurs July 6, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    I respect your views H but disagree. I’ve bought seats in plenty of grounds, including whl on several occasions, and been forced to stand because everyone else in that section is. On one occasion I had my very frail father in law with me. Worst 90 mins I’ve ever had in a footie ground, but that was at a fairly mild st Marys where most of the crowd was sedate and seated. I also went to Hillsborough to see spurs pre the tragedy and the crush getting through the tunnel was horrible and inside the ground my feet were off the concrete several times yet when I watched the game back on video when I got home both pens either side were empty. Times and safety and attitudes towards fans seem different now. My opinion is we need to designate ticketed areas for those who wish to stand all the way through a game and clamp down on anyone outside of these areas who isn’t simply jumping up every now and again to yell ‘Levy out!’.

    • Harry Hotspur July 6, 2017 at 2:38 pm

      With respect, your experience with your frail relative isn’t an argument for standing, its a n argument for throwing tossers out of the ground.

      The world has changed and if you can’t sit down, then go and stand up outside.

      The ending of Smoking Carriages on the trains was fought and and lost. Want to inflict your ‘liberty’ on everyone else, then you can piss off and do it somewhere else.

      • danspurs July 6, 2017 at 3:01 pm

        Maybe. But we’re not talking about a few throwbacks here. We’re talking whole sections of a ground wilfully standing all game every game with no exception in grounds all over the country and at all levels. Many of these fans possibly weren’t even going to football before all seaters became law. With seats in place it’s uncomfortable and dangerous so my view is they either go along with your preferred option of enforcement or ejection or bring in designated standing areas. The present blind eye approach is dangerous and causes friction, as others on here have said. I’d prefer safe standing areas but would rather everyone was made to sit if that’s not an option.

  • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    The stupidity of it is that thousands regularly stand for the entire match in some parts of WHL. To me it seems a no brainer to have standing areas which are not only safer than previous standing but safer than people standing in seating areas.

    Architecturally noise can be amplified and the design of the stadium is incorporating this – it’s not piping in artificial sound but making best use of sound generated and also negating away fan noise.

  • Hartley July 6, 2017 at 2:23 pm

    Stand up if you want safe standing.

    • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 2:27 pm

  • Alex July 6, 2017 at 2:22 pm

    If you ever looked at the South Stand lower at WHL, or the East Stand lower, where everyone stands, or the countless arguments throughout the stadium every match day caused by people wanting to stand up in areas where the majority sit down, you’d probably come to the conclusion that providing people with a choice of sitting or standing would be a good thing, not a bad thing, especially in the context of building a whole new stadium.

    But hey, any opportunity to have a needless pop at the supporter’s trust must be taken, yeah?

  • JJ July 6, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    ok so when did Siggy sign?? wasn’t it meant to be yesterday??

  • Sid Trotter July 6, 2017 at 2:15 pm

    Just saying, but why do we sit in a stand. Should we rename all the stands as sits?

    • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 2:25 pm

      It’s short for grandstand?

  • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? July 6, 2017 at 2:14 pm

    The future is what fc utd of Manchester and Wimbledon and the like are doing. Take the power back.

  • gloster1861 July 6, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    Is our new stadium capacity based on all seating? If safe standing were introduced, would the capacity stay the same, I.e., Levy wouldn’t be permitted to squeeze an extra thousand or two into he South Stand.

    • MysteriousStranger July 6, 2017 at 2:38 pm

      Yes. No.

      • gloster1861 July 6, 2017 at 3:33 pm

        Brill. Standing is much better if not overcrowded. I can give me rattle a good whirr.

  • PochJob July 6, 2017 at 2:12 pm

    We are dictated on how we watch football on the premise of a series of lies. Standing isn’t dangerous, the policing that day and previous days was not fit for purpose. I would say the Taylor report is now redundant, fans were treated like 2nd class citizens back then, and like children now. Safe standing shouldn’t be forced on Liverpool, or anyone else for that matter. But it is a discussion that needs to happen.

    • Me July 6, 2017 at 2:18 pm

      Safe standing is safer than seats where everybody jumps up and can tumble over the seats in front.

      The rails between standing rows is far safer.

      • mattspurs July 6, 2017 at 2:25 pm

        exactly

  • Sid Trotter July 6, 2017 at 2:10 pm

    Instead of safe standing we could each be allotted a cubicle. Then the queue for the bogs at half time wouldn’t be a problem

    I have a terrace at home. No cubicle. I have no difficulty standing on my terrace and feel strongly that I wouldn’t have a problem standing on a different terrace. Though I cannot be sure of course

    • SpurAndy 🍒π July 6, 2017 at 3:07 pm

      A self inserted catheter to avoid the bogs queue and a small urchin to half chew the burger so it’s easier to swallow. Ah the simple things in life makes the world go round.

  • gloster1861 July 6, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    I refer to stand. Sway, stamp, jump up and down, keep warm. Terraces are great.

    • gloster1861 July 6, 2017 at 2:07 pm

      *prefer.

  • Freund or Foe July 6, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    Bring back smoking on the terraces. Fuck, I quit smoking.
    Legalise weed, then take it to the terraces. Better, and it will solve the ongoing standing issue.

  • Sid Trotter July 6, 2017 at 2:00 pm

    Fiticus. Great safe standing. How difficult is standing? With one leg a little more difficult I agree, but with three – we’re sorted

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