Date: 8th March 2018 at 8:31am
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If Juventus were a fictional gangster character from a 2001 gangster film they’d be Teddy Bass.

Mr Black Magic himself.

Swarthy, impeccably confident, in fact nenacing in the most disconcerting manner imaginable. Jfdit inspired that with his ‘dark arts’ comment on the last blog.

On the way home from Wembley Spurs must have felt just like Gal did. Dropped off at a motorway bus stop with a tenner in his pocket in exchange for a hellish night’s work.

Spurs were sub-par, hugely limited and generally outmanoeuvred next to this vastly experienced Old Lady.

Should Tottenham disband, sack Pochettino and everyone go and start new lives in a monastery? I think not. Regular readers will be unsurprised to know that what I’d prefer is for the THFC spin, the jive and the marketing guano to be reigned in, at least to less suffocating levels.

Alas I am unable to build a time machine and even if I could, fitting you all inside would undoubtedly be problematic. Stay at The Lane and build a team with a choke rate considerably lower than this one. Buy the odd missing players, opposed to land and businesses, have a mission statement; something about striving to win pots and pans with every fibre. I’d take the fanbase’s focus permanently away from the terminally depressing and utterly futile stuff that has regrettably become their meat and drink under ENIC, possession stats, attendance figures, contract extensions, video jappery and the continually diminishing return that is this obsession with youth players.

The New Destination™ Will undoubtedly be fit for kings and last night gently reminded all concerned that Spurs are currently as close to being in line to the throne as the Duchess of York’s fattest daughter.

We weren’t awful, but we were shown how unforgiving football can be. Please don’t mistake that comment for misfortune or bad luck. I’m specifically referring to Juve having a comprehensive understanding of the mechanics of winning.

There will be lots of ‘time to move on’, ‘focus on the FA Cup’ etc from fans today. All these remarks serve to do is stifle discussion and negate thinking.

Rather this is as good as opportunity as any to ponder what in the name of god we’re actually building. Building after all is the buzzword of the dullards, eh?

Keeping this squad together just became a tougher task, but there are broader concerns. Having a goalie as your captain would be high on my list, for example. Kyle Walker’s Premier League winner medal another. Our gaffer’s tactical nouse is certainly a shoe in, while we’re at it.

Last night was saddening. Was it the end? Of course not, but it was a timely reminder of Spurs mortality and that in the final analysis no amount of the now very very tiring bluster about a young manager, young players, an expensive training ground and an expensive stadium  are worth a good god damn when the actual football team are asked to turn it on, to live up to the expectation.

Player analysis to follow, which is likely to become more bloodied in places.

 
Comments
  • Aside from cerebrospinal fluid, what's on your mind?

  • Scrappy do March 8, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    Team will not be the same after this season ends, some will leave to actually challenge for trophies and who can blame them, the waste of breath asking for patience as we “build” something. In the real world that doesn’t work without results, and same for this project. We will be fans but getting sick of waiting for something that truly amazes.

  • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 1:39 pm
  • Sexy Beast March 8, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    When Pooch took over I read up on him and was full of hope, six months in and I was wondering if he was just another talk a good game manager.
    Second season about November I started to sit up and was thinking we could challenge for the title and we did with a sad ending. Last season we were super apart from a sticky patch in October which ultimately coast us, in the Champions League at Wembley we were poor, I can forgive him and the players that.
    This season after a poor start at home we have responded well with an outstanding CL group phase we got unlucky in the draw but still we gave a fantastic account of ourselves against a top team and the fact that we are all so disappointed is a reflection of how far we have come in under four years. The trajectory is still on the up, no we won’t have a fire sale of our players this summer as much as the media would want that.
    If the Champions League improvement continues next season we can go close, and we should fear no one in the group stages.
    COYS

    • Gus March 8, 2018 at 1:30 pm

      👍👍👍

    • SpurAndy 🍒π March 8, 2018 at 2:22 pm

      ♥ it.

  • Limerick AL. March 8, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    We have a chance to win the FA CUP, as long as Utd and Cheatski are out. Because We have not got a clue in Big Knockout Games against quality Opposition. Refer to the Great Pretender, AKA Poch. Take the Captaincy from Doris, or better still, sell the Clown.

  • 💋 March 8, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    Davies is a sensational crosser of the ball. Why he doesn’t do it more often is beyond me.

    • 💋 March 8, 2018 at 1:04 pm

      Trippy b*llox, too.

    • paul March 8, 2018 at 1:08 pm

      Given time and space yes but being covered by top quality defenders at anything approaching this level than nope not at all. He doesn’t have the skills so in matches like last night he should get his crosses off earlier as he approaches the box

      • 💋 March 8, 2018 at 1:23 pm

        His crossing last night was outstanding. It doesn’t matter when or how he does it, he should just do it more.

    • Dan March 8, 2018 at 2:31 pm

      If he gets it past the first man

  • SpurAndy 🍒π March 8, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    Didn’t see the Chielleni interview but from reading on here it seems he said they had the whole game plan under control. So is he saying that they didn’t mind going one down as they knew they’d get two goals when they needed to? So they weren’t bothered by surrendering a two goal advantage in the first leg. Sorry, that’s bollocks, no team can be that confident. He might have hoped it would work out but not confident that it would. Far to many variables involved. I detect politician speak, tell the fans that we had it all in hand when the reality was it could have gone either way.

    • Urbane Sturgeon March 8, 2018 at 2:57 pm

      Everyone’s clever after the fact.

  • Randy Lee March 8, 2018 at 12:55 pm

    Kind of agree with – Elevenstonedidiots

    I am not sure what everyone one was expecting really to win the CL?? we are punching above our weight anyways, we are not competing in the transfer market or spending big money on quality game changers we have so badly needed for years, 30 mil these days will not guarantee nothing if fact its a pretty standard fee ( see Sissoko) – so how can we possibly win the PL or CL, it was always going to end in disappointment.

  • Elevenstonedidiots March 8, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    This team is not good enough to win a PL or CL. Top 4 is about our level and I think that suits our bald wank stain of a chairman down to the ground. To be genuine contenders you need to pay real money to real men. End Of. Last 16 and top 4 is about right for this group so we can’t really complain.

    • paul March 8, 2018 at 12:48 pm

      Oh yes we can!

  • paul March 8, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    We concede the EPL to Leicester but it’s ok we’re building something
    We finish 2nd to Chelski the following year still with the builders in
    We concede the FA cup semi to Chelski, building still not finished
    We get our pants pulled down in the last 16 of the CL with construction still ongoing

    Yes we’ve played some great stuff the last few years, yes i’ve enjoyed it (largely) but how long can we keep this bunch together ‘building’ without ‘finishing’?

    Top four would help shore things up and the FA cup wouldn’t hurt but if we don’t get CL for next season i would say it’s 50/50 that the whole construction project fails.

    Tobes wouldn’t sign that new contract and if he doesn’t Verts becomes gettable.

    And would Tin-tin be able to resist what i think will be inevitable bids for him this Summer from ‘bigger’ CL teams.

    It’s really not a stretch to imagine us losing Tobes, Dele, Tin Tin and Verts in that scenario, with Rose most likely off and Dier also gettable. Then what are we building?

    We need a cup, top four and to get into the new destination to keep this show on the road coz if you ask me the ‘project’ is more vulnerable than ever.

    • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 12:43 pm

      Nah.

      • paul March 8, 2018 at 12:55 pm

        Mark my words brah

        • paul March 8, 2018 at 12:58 pm

          No pot and no CL for next season and this implodes

          • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 1:04 pm

            Nah.

            • 💋 March 8, 2018 at 1:24 pm

              Squared.

              • UnkleTaff March 8, 2018 at 1:39 pm

                Quadruped.

      • 💋 March 8, 2018 at 12:58 pm

        Squared.

        • paul March 8, 2018 at 1:06 pm

          nah nah na nah nah?

          • 💋 March 8, 2018 at 1:20 pm

            Hey hey hey

  • Horndog 🇺🇸 March 8, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    Davies fell asleep on the thru ball to Dybala that led to the second goal. Tripp’s, Sanchez and Verts had all stepped up and Ben was a couple of yards behind them, allowing Dybala to be on side. I am not normally one to single out an individual error but this was an error of concentration and experience. It should never have happened.

    • Ronwol1960-61 March 8, 2018 at 12:26 pm

      Sanchez left Higuain free to head the ball for the first

    • Accy March 8, 2018 at 12:40 pm

      Davies didn’t know whether to track the run of their winger – that’s why. And that’s why Allegri won the tactical battle.

      • ronwol196061🇨🇦 March 8, 2018 at 12:44 pm

        This business that backs have to be wingers and backs and is beyond me.
        Its asking too much.
        Surely other players must fill.in

        • ronwol196061🇨🇦 March 8, 2018 at 12:46 pm

          Wasnt Rose in the bench?

  • Ronwol1960-61 March 8, 2018 at 12:08 pm

    Sanchez is a Jekyll and Hyde.Played well at parts and others was dreaming. Does Poch do man to man marking????? or Zone???? Dont we look at the players around us? Whats that all about?

    • caveman March 8, 2018 at 12:10 pm

      In fact we lost last night cause Toby wasn’t on duty.

  • Accy March 8, 2018 at 12:05 pm

    On a separate note, sick to death of Sessegnon links.

    He’s not the messiah.

  • Accy March 8, 2018 at 12:02 pm

    Mido knows what’s what!

    @SpursOfficial need to sign a proper tough Center back and a top Keeper and someone who can come on from the bench and change the game!! We need to get rid of Lamela!! He is too light for me!! How many times did he come on and change the game?? Very few!!

    https://twitter.com/midoahm/status/971646872002625536

    Last night when we needed someone to come on and change the game the answer wasn’t Lamela!!

    https://twitter.com/midoahm/status/971647383259045888

    • Ronwol1960-61 March 8, 2018 at 12:07 pm

      He is right that Lamela is lighweight. he has looked better generally since he came back from injury but had no impact last night.It wasnt a bad sub really but he didnt really change anything. It needed some ingenuity maybe Moura could have provided it. Poch left the last sub on the bench though

    • caveman March 8, 2018 at 12:08 pm

      Lamela has been doing a ‘billy big bollocks’ for five years now and isn’t anything special.

    • 💋 March 8, 2018 at 1:02 pm

      I hope the day never comes that I look to fat flop Mido for analysis. Lamela too light-weight for Mido? We’re all too friggin’ light-weight for that fat f*cker.

  • Elevenstonedidiots March 8, 2018 at 12:02 pm

    Spurs were outdone tactically last night and lacked that hard nosed experience to shut up shop and seal the deal. Allegri’s substitutions and change of tactics outwitted Poch. Fair play to them. We’ve seen Juve do this to teams on a regular basis in the Serie A. However Chielini’s ‘wise after the event’ comments were a bit smug to say the least.

    • caveman March 8, 2018 at 12:05 pm

      Yeah, he could have been more realistic and said they were nearly outdone.

  • Nick March 8, 2018 at 11:48 am

    At first there was a distinct change of tact with the ball going long for,not playing out from the back.As soon as juve scored straight back to playing out again.Also 70 mins onwards cross after cross went in so on comes Llorente after which we stopped crossing WTF🤔

  • Nick March 8, 2018 at 11:41 am

    Amazing how when cheating is carried out against us it considered part of the “mechanics of winning” The game would’ve been hugely different had the ref had a pair.Wed have gone 1-0 down to a penalty & had to change our game for a start.Two of their players should’ve gone,pjanic & Barzagli the latter being despicable & I’m still unsure as to how so many officials can’t see these incidents,with son also being taken out 40 yards from the ball on another occasion.We are all a bit gutted but when the initial draw was made pitting us against Dortmund & Madrid who’d have thunk we’d get as far as we did,then 2-0 v juve in the 1st leg.Im not proud of the team,proud is too strong a word but content in failure sort of sums it up.

    • Ronwol1960-61 March 8, 2018 at 11:50 am

      Is diving cheating?

      • gus March 8, 2018 at 1:01 pm

        Not if you don’t get caught. That stamp on Son was foul play and deserved a harsher punishment. The guy had a second go at him and didn’t even get a YC!!

  • Horndog 🇺🇸 March 8, 2018 at 11:39 am

    “The Captain thing is a massive one – we don’t have one.” Harry Hotspur

    I am finally beginning to grip this reality. Lloris may be the guy to put his arm around a younger player or pat someone on the butt but this has to be being done in the locker room. He shows no on field leadership. His opposite number, on Juve, Buffon, is what you want in a Captain. Emotional, verbally taking charge, barking orders. His response to a Chiellini header to direct a shot wide was precisely what a Captain does. He rallies the troops. Our Captain appears to watch his opponent do this and has no response. A keeper can be an on field leader, ie; Buffon, but ours is not of that caliber or ilk.

    • Nick March 8, 2018 at 11:45 am

      Not only is Lloris not captain material I don’t think he’s that great a goalkeeper.Reputation more than performances give him credibility but where was his moment last night? 3 shots on target 2 goals

      • Limerick AL. March 8, 2018 at 1:12 pm

        Spot Feckin’ On.

  • caveman March 8, 2018 at 11:38 am

    You know our problem last night, Dele Alli. He was full of flicks and falling over, but he did fuck all. We were playing with 10 men. He HAS to be benched for a few games to see if he’ll react like a man and learn that he’s an arsehole.

    • mattspurs March 8, 2018 at 11:53 am

      I thought Dele was good – full of energy and purpose, not afraid to get hurt.

      • Randy Lee March 8, 2018 at 11:59 am

        no Ali was Poor!

      • caveman March 8, 2018 at 12:03 pm

        When Alli was taken off he put that indignant face on him. What was he pissed off about. He had little or no influence on the game. The only crime Poch committed was not benching him at half time.

        • SpurAndy 🍒π March 8, 2018 at 12:45 pm

          No problem seeing a player annoyed when he comes off. Shows commitment and passion. Draw the line at blubbing though.

          • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 12:52 pm

            Yerp.

            • 💋 March 8, 2018 at 12:54 pm

              😢

              • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 12:57 pm

                I would break down at your feet and beg forgiveness, plead with you.
                But I know that it’s too late and now there’s nothing I can do.

  • paul March 8, 2018 at 11:25 am

    ‘..We need to win the FA cup just to start a new rhetoric about Spurs..’

    Fuckin A, go to the top of the class Samways

  • Frontwheel 2 March 8, 2018 at 11:21 am

    Good read Harry,I couldn’t watch the game,Spanish lessons clashed,which I was actually pleased about as I’m finding it harder and harder to watch games live when I have that bastard emotion called hope.
    Manzana is an apple in Spanish

    • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:23 am

      Cheers!

      • Frontwheel 2 March 8, 2018 at 11:26 am

        De nada

  • PlayitagainSamways March 8, 2018 at 11:20 am

    Juve boxed like Mayweather. The reason the game was stretched in the first half was because if THEIR tactics. They lulled us in in the second half, pulled our pants down and exposed our shrivelled little chipolata!
    Chielleni’s post match interview was excellent. Highlighting they knew we were gonna go Spursey. BUT, he also said that this Juve team was like Spurs 4 or 5 years ago.
    We need to win the FA cup just to start a new rhetoric about Spurs.

    • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 11:21 am

      Love the Mayweather analogy, PIAS. perfect.

      • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:23 am

        Spot on.

    • paul March 8, 2018 at 11:24 am

      +1

    • Ronwol1960-61 March 8, 2018 at 11:41 am

      To me that didnt look in control of the game. In both games we could and maybe should have scored a ton of goals that we didnt so I dont consider Juventus’s experience to be the main culprit. Over the two legs we should never have been in that situation

  • Randy Lee March 8, 2018 at 11:15 am

    Its all still very painful to know that we completely bossed the game over two legs but for 5-10 mins in each game we lost focus and this is where they won tie, again its a feeling of what could of been which is bugging me the most, surely that has got to start playing on the mind’s of our best players such as Jan, Eriksen, Kane and etc, same old spurs really is what they will all say and they are right! did anyone hear chiellini post match interview? how painful was that! as if they knew we would balls it up because its part of our history! and sure we enough we did.
    Most accumulated points this year but sitting fourth. bossed some of the best teams in Europe but get knocked out of the competition due to a 3 min moment of madness, yes the nearly there men strike again. I think we played very well last night and had opportunities to kill the tie in the first half and its hard to be critical of our performances this year but again something is obviously missing, i’m not going to jump on the Poch fucked up chat that would be really unfair IMO as if you analyse the two legs you will see individual errors cost us more than anything, however totally gutted! hurt and angry this morning and we all have a right to be! nothing wrong with that.

    • paul March 8, 2018 at 11:21 am

      I fackin hate to say it but after their first goal went in last night there was a distict whiff of ‘spursy’ about the place.

    • Ronwol1960-61 March 8, 2018 at 11:30 am

      I agree with that Randy pretty well 100%
      The only thing is this. The systems football style when you boil it down is a pressure game. We use great energy to make the field smaller to cover the channels to expand quickly when we have the ball…wait….coming out of the defence we were like a snail after they scored,and it seemed none of our defenders wanted to do anything with the ball. I would also say we were knackered at 60 or 70 minutes, The system calls for a lot of energy. So we always said we needed a Plan B at that point because to keep to Plan A we would have to basically change players wholesale to continue that game. Plan B would get us to play with less fire and more ingenuity. So what does Poch do he puts on Llorente (it was late too) and so we needed to fly down the wing and cross the ball as our only strategy.
      We had Moura on the ball that could have given us nice ball control some dribbling and some direct passing. We didnt even use our last sub when the players on the field were dying from exhaustion.

      • gus March 8, 2018 at 11:38 am

        We should be able to play the slow lateral passing game to slow the game down Ron. We do it all the time in the league…..

        • Ronwol1960-61 March 8, 2018 at 11:48 am

          I wouldnt say slow passing but we needed another ball player down the middle. Eriksen played a great game,Dele was crap. We put on Lamela (good sub) but wasnt so effective and Llorente and could have put on Moura to help the supply but didnt plus with all that energy espoused over 60 minutes we kept a sub on the bench.Its mind boggling

          • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 11:55 am

            I’m glad you noticed Eriksen’s performance Ron. He’s been completely at home in the CL company we’ve been keeping. Incredible vision.

            • Ronwol1960-61 March 8, 2018 at 12:02 pm

              Yes Eriksen I think was one of our best players last night and has ben getting better.
              For me to be honest comprehending the system hasnt been easy.Its a different game than I am used to. Its almost more like Ice Hockey than footie. Its all about pressure,cutting the space down to nothing and expanding quickly in numbers. Thats why Ive always and still look for ball players to create. Eriksen now does a healthy blend of the two. He isnt passing back and sides as much as he used to and he has more confidence and his presence has grown, Dele on the other hand seems to get lost in what we are doing. Im still not sure if he is running and covering within the system,he probably is but on the attacking side his creativity is at almost nil these days. The odd thing every few games.

              • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 12:33 pm

                I get that Dele can look frustrating, but I think he does work the system well. He moves the ball well most of the time, and has good vision. There’s a bit of 2nd season syndrome setting in for me, he’s a marked man and gets kicked to hell. I don’t get as frustrated as some by his flicks and tricks, he does them in the right area, and although they don’t come off as much as we’d like, he is capable of creating a bit of magic that we need when teams keep it tight, which most opposition do against us. The assist stats don’t lie, he has created more goals than anyone this season. He’s got what it takes, of that I am in no doubt.

                • ronwol196061🇨🇦 March 8, 2018 at 12:42 pm

                  I usually dont complain about players that have little talent but on the ones that do. Dele worked hard Im sure,I mean we put so much emphasis on an attackers defensive part of the game when the attacking part loses out. Yes he does make those plays but he could be a game changer and last night we needed ine and for me he must have been occupied with the defensive part of his game to do too much attacking wise.

  • woody March 8, 2018 at 11:11 am

    No plan B from pooch. We go one up, they change tactics, they score, his reaction was no reaction, They score again and he does……. nothing. Last few minutes he tries to change it but not enough time. It is a worry everytime a big match comes he seems to be out manouvered. I hope he learns to adapt and change things quicker as I do like him and think he has done well.

    • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:18 am

      He did this at Southampton and he’s done it consistently since he came to us. He’s not tactically adept. As a football manager that’s a pretty big deal.

    • jw1 March 8, 2018 at 11:42 am

      Outmaneuvered in the post-match interview:
      Poch: ‘In the way that we lost, I am happy’
      There is no upside to that comment. Not even in the moment.

  • mattspurs March 8, 2018 at 10:57 am

    In a game of that importance the wastefulness of Son was always going to come back and haunt us – so many chances to score and cross, nothing of any quality. Telling that the goal he scored was a massive fluke.

    This is now the time for this team to show what it’s made of. There’s an FA Cup to be won and 2nd,3rd and 4th spots in the league up for grabs.

  • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 10:51 am

    They got their tictacs spot on. Crowd Mousa and Eriksen, press us high and hard, and be patient and wait for the drop off in concentration that would inevitably happen. Love Davinson, he’ll be our beast for years, but he’s still young and learning. Tobes would not have let that second goal happen, in my opinion, but it is a bit unfair of me to highlight individuals. Juve done a job on us.
    It’s been great to be in the mix, where we want to be, and this seasons competition has left us (or some of us) with some good memories. Hopefully we’ll take this experience and use it going forward.

    • Caspurs♿️ March 8, 2018 at 11:01 am

      I don’t think fault lies with Sanches, but rather the team as a whole, I think we needed to consolidate defensively after they equalised, we needed to nullify and frustrate them for 5 or 10 minutes in order to as regain our composure and get back on the front foot.

    • SpurAndy 🍒π March 8, 2018 at 11:01 am

      Was thinking the same fofty, a fit in form Toby would probably have stopped them scoring twice imo.

      • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:10 am

        Or a privet hedge, that might have helped. I’ll just check the UEFA rules in case we qualify again…

        • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 11:12 am

          I wouldn’t bother, I don’t think we have a privet hedge fund.

          • paul March 8, 2018 at 11:19 am

            Very very good fof

          • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:19 am

            A wall of cheese?

            Brie-ing it on you Eyetye Slags!

            • paul March 8, 2018 at 11:22 am

              Sadly we’d have prob gone for Swiss

              • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 11:23 am

                That’s a gross idea.

                • paul March 8, 2018 at 11:26 am

                  Look what can i say i’m no Christian

  • OrganicPaper March 8, 2018 at 10:45 am

    Always perplexed at how some of our fan base seem to revel far more in defeat than in victory.
    I am very disappointed at not progressing, we should have. It was in our hands and we couldn’t get the job done.
    Which ever way you carve up the analysis one thing that is clear is we dont have the personnel with the requisite experience to win the Champions League, but we already knew that going into the game! It cant be a shock to anyone that Juve out thought us even if, on balance, the y didn’t out play us.
    Our trajectory is still moving up IMO and I can not get my head around the cries from some braid dead fools for Poch to be sacked.
    Life as a THFC supporter isnt’t all that bad even if it aint perfect!

    • paul March 8, 2018 at 10:48 am

      OP re your opening line – what’s your basis for comparison? We haven’t won anything

      • OrganicPaper March 8, 2018 at 11:49 am

        In victory I refer to games won. I think we are all painfully aware of our empty trophy room!

    • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:13 am

      I don’t see revelling, I see dissection. When I snuff it, which won’t be long doing this every day, unless i’ts obvious, I’d like to think there would be an autopsy. Before I get thrown into the family woodchopper.

      • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 11:18 am

        Just in case you do snuff it, can you leave the spare keys for the blog somewhere where we can find them. Under a plant pot, sun visor etc.

        • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:22 am

          I’ll be sure to pass the user/password to the angry mob that kick my head in just before I cop it.

          • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 11:30 am

            We keep inviting you, I told the others you’d sussed us, but they wouldn’t listen.

  • Aussie in Switzerland March 8, 2018 at 10:44 am

    We would have won at the Lane…….. Hehe

    • paul March 8, 2018 at 10:45 am

      Oooh low blow

  • paul March 8, 2018 at 10:42 am

    Harry what’s with the even handed post, are you off your meds?

    • paul March 8, 2018 at 10:43 am

      I’ll check back in later for Ire, Ire, Vitriol and Ire.

    • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:14 am

      I’m always even handed. I always publish what I’m thinking. I can’t help if some can’t cope…

  • Ray March 8, 2018 at 10:29 am

    Very disappointed with the outcome. It’s all well and good playing pretty attacking football but results is what counts and we couldn’t get the job done end of.
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing and in my humble opinion, the manager must take a portion of the blame here for not making the necessary changes to the formation to counteract the changes made by the Juventus manager.
    Having said that, we had more than enough chances to have wrapped the tie up in the first half alone but woeful finishing………………F..k.
    Alright, it’s going to be one of those nights in front of goal but you suddenly find yourself one nil up with a mishit shot and leading the tie, surely you’d park the f..king bus, crowd the midfield, make them hit long balls instead of trying to play through you and perhaps hit them on the break as and when you can but keep your shape come what may.
    Like I said, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

  • SpurAndy 🍒π March 8, 2018 at 10:22 am

    Panama Paul
    On the balance of things, I’d say that those down at UEFA HQ are breathing easier now that a potential fly in their ointment has been removed. The quarter finals will be the usual love-fest of big-money clubs that fit in UEFA’s big-money profile. I may avoid watching CL football from here on in as, despite the abundance of so-called world-class players, the standard of football is pretty ordinary and the winning-is-everything philosophy kills the enjoyment and visual spectacle of the beautiful game. I accept the comments that we were naive and Poch was in a self-induced coma in the second half but I would hate to see Spurs reduced to using dubious methods to win a football match (euphemistically described as ‘experience’) such as Juventus did (I will never condone diving or other methods used by some Spurs players to con refs). But I guess they’re still in with a shout of a pot and we aren’t, so for some, that’s all that matters about football.

    Agree with that PP, if Spurs normal MO was like Juve I’d give up following them. The reason I started supporting Spurs back in the 60’s was predominantly because of their style of play not because they were winning pots. Winning pots is great but not the be all and end all for me. Probably puts me in the minority but too old to change and wouldn’t want to anyway.

    • Panama Paul March 8, 2018 at 10:23 am

      Thanks but the blogmeister would beg to differ.

      • SpurAndy 🍒π March 8, 2018 at 10:31 am

        Harry has a view, I have a view, you have a view Paul. Doesn’t mean any of us are right or wrong. If we all agreed it would be a boring world.

        • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 10:31 am

          I completely disagree with that.

          • SpurAndy 🍒π March 8, 2018 at 10:32 am

            There’s always one…….

            • Caspurs♿️ March 8, 2018 at 10:34 am

              Pfft to all!

        • Panama Paul March 8, 2018 at 10:35 am

          Absolutely. I’m glad that this space exists to share opinions – quite a wide range of opinions and subject matter!

    • East Stand March 8, 2018 at 10:54 am

      Well said.

      There is no real way of winning the Champions League unless you are prepared to spend big on experienced match winners and leaders.

      I’m staying defensive of the performance last night, both individually and as a team as they did their very best and we were without question over the 90+m the better team. However, we will continue to get found out against not only quality opposition but crucially when it’s combined with experience.

      To me it’s much like The Battle of Rorke’s Drift, the odds are against the young squaddies but with a pragmatic and steadfast older leader in the sergeant major they are able to see it through, just. They are less likely to panic or lose concentration, they know if they do what they’re told that they a least have a chance of making it out alive.

      Juve had several experienced heads alongside match winners in their side, it didn’t matter that they were fairly crap and spent most of the game chasing shadows kicking lumps out of Alli because Kane was shackled by probably the best central defender in the world.

      It didn’t matter that we had all of the ball because a small tactical change and they were able to release two quality forwards and take advantage of the inevitable small loss in concentration.

      I’m tired of going on about it but at the match last night I was surprised at the amount of fans that are comfortable with a mild mannered goalie as skipper and naming Jan Verthongen as the virtual captain on the outfield. Jan is the same guy who looked like he didn’t even want to be there stood in the tunnel a few seasons ago.

      This is bullshit, we need a couple of experienced quality leaders if we want to win stuff but they need to be paid the going rate and Levy doesn’t pay it, hence the endless mantra about being ‘young’ and ‘learning’. How can they when they have no fucking teachers?

      • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:11 am

        The captain thing is a massive issue – we don’t have one.

  • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 10:16 am

    Queue rage. We’re English for Christ’s sake, form an orderly for your steak and ale. I don’t want to spend half time kicking off with wankers that don’t geddit, but I will if required.
    Oh, and the football. Yeah, that hurt.

    • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 10:27 am

      And I hate Wembley.

  • Kev March 8, 2018 at 10:02 am

    We were not clinical and they were. Son and Kane had 2 very presentable chances in 1st half and should’ve really finished them. Over the 180 mins they needed just 12 to score 4 goals…

    Poch’s subs are wank…Allegri showed him how you change a game from the bench. So what if after they score the first you take off Dele for Wanyama and move Dier into a back 3. That’s European football.

    Not sure why we keep persevering with Dele when he is plainly bang out of form.

    I said earlier in the week I’d have had Rose and Wanyama on from the start and brought Moura on as the first attacking change.

    • Gus March 8, 2018 at 10:05 am

      Wanyama could have shored up our MF to protect our suddenly creaky back 4. We really missed Toby put there

    • Accy March 8, 2018 at 10:17 am

      I don’t think Dele is out of form so much as he’s come from League 2 and often plays as such. He only cost £5m, you know.

      We bought him because he’s capable of moments of brilliance. Doesn’t mean the rest of his game is up to standard.

    • mattspurs March 8, 2018 at 10:59 am

      Son should have had a first half hat trick

      • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 11:10 am

        Alas we weren’t playing Yarmouth Ladies…

  • 61SpursNut March 8, 2018 at 10:02 am

    I didn’t fancy Kyiv anyway.

    • Sexy Beast March 8, 2018 at 10:04 am

      Funny 😂
      But in reality Kiev would have been a scary option for Tottenham fans to travel to.

    • Panama Paul March 8, 2018 at 10:18 am

      Prefer Chicken Kiev tbh.

  • Sexy Beast March 8, 2018 at 10:00 am

    What the last two years have definitely shown us is that we really don’t want to drop back into the Thursday night cup, call me flakey but I don’t fancy getting home at 12.30 am after KFC Carrierbag at the new destination.

  • Sexy Beast March 8, 2018 at 9:43 am

    Even if MP had gone defensive second half with Dier dropping into a three and tucking in the fullbacks what would the post-mortem have been like if they had scored with ten to go and got a last minute winner?
    Even worse probably….

    • Gus March 8, 2018 at 9:56 am

      And he would have got ripped on here for trying to shut up shop too early…..

  • Jim March 8, 2018 at 9:39 am

    Don’t know why we didn’t go for son-eriksen-Moura. Really baffles me that we have such a highly rated winger on the bench, yet on comes Lamela 🧐

  • Ronnie Rossenthal March 8, 2018 at 9:38 am

    Disappointed, especially getting so close and playing so well but it wasn’t meant to be this year. It was serious uplifting progression this year. But maybe there’s a reason to go out at this point this time around. There would have still been some 5 very tough matches to win the CL had we gone through. It was still a long shot this year. The effort’s involved would have also effected our top 4 and FA chances which will be tough enough. We will be hurting but we have to use that hurt to make sure we go into our new stadium with CL football secured and perhaps the FA cup. Please no more weakened sides In any game. No Vorn , Llorente etc

  • Lord Croker March 8, 2018 at 9:38 am

    ‘Building’ Building for what? Any pot will do before I go, any……

    • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 9:51 am

      ‘Building’ as in tyre-kicking, killing time whilst not spending or doing anything of note or meaning.

  • Caspurs♿️ March 8, 2018 at 9:30 am

    I said it last night, the second goal highlighted naivety which is something we can and should learn from. After conceding the first goal last night we should have dropped back, restricted Juve space and nullified the initiative Juve had at that time.
    Juve are a very good team having reached two CL finals in three yrs, yet we were the better team over both games which illustrates what a good team we have become. Matches like these can often come down to game management at certain times within a game, sadly last night we failed to react at a critical time, but that doesn’t take away from the fact we did ourselves proud.
    COYS!

    • Gus March 8, 2018 at 9:38 am

      Best thing the team can do is get back up and do what it takes to finish in the top 4. And a strong tilt at the FAC could do a bit to dispel the notion that we can’t win big meaningful trophy games

  • Gus March 8, 2018 at 9:27 am

    We didn’t react to their formation changes. What I would’ve given to see us try to pack it in and let them come at us at 1-0. They would have been ripe for the counter but we made it too easy for them

    • Sexy Beast March 8, 2018 at 9:29 am

      👍 agree, but benefit of hindsight and all that.

      • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 9:30 am

        Poch is extremely one dimensional-no hindsight required in truth…

        • Sexy Beast March 8, 2018 at 9:32 am

          Can’t argue with that unfortunately ☹️

        • Gus March 8, 2018 at 9:33 am

          Sometimes he can make the moves. Not last night.

  • Sexy Beast March 8, 2018 at 9:25 am

    Worst thing is it feels self inflicted, could have, should have been in the hat for the draw. The players really need to wise up, hopefully this tie will prove to be a big turning point for the team in terms how to get through these tight games.
    Always going for more goals is a naive approach in games like last night. Clearly we are not streetwise.
    Desperately need to get a win on Sunday and at Swansea or our season could implode.

    • Gus March 8, 2018 at 9:32 am

      We failed to grasp the situation and adjust our play accordingly. It’s sudden death football and we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory playing so open like that

  • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 9:25 am

    Oh dear, the ‘well actually I prefer not winning’ brigade are out in force.

    Have a word with yourselves chaps, please. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome. What’s next, ‘ I for one prefer basking in the knowledge our net spend is under control than waving dreadfully tacky trophies about’ ?

  • Deano March 8, 2018 at 9:23 am

    Genius use of Sexy Beast

    Couldn’t agree anymore.
    I feel so frustrated and angry
    Mainly at Poch
    Man manager against boy manager
    We didn’t stand a chance…..

    Yes we missed chances but we were out thought on the touchline
    That’s what hurts

    • Sexy Beast March 8, 2018 at 9:28 am

      Eh?

      • Deano March 8, 2018 at 10:16 am

        In Harrys musings above….

  • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 9:21 am

    Accy

    I don’t agree. Thought we gave a good account of ourselves for 60 minutes. Allegri reacted well and changed things positively. After they got their 2 goals we played well again, and patiently, almost bagging a second ourselves when Kane’s header hit the post. Was it offside? Well, did that cunt stamp on Son a few times? 23 shots to their 9. They had 3 on target, 2 of which went in. Beaten by 2 bits of quality.

    We certainly weren’t out of place in that match. In fact, you might say we were the better team for vast periods.

    So you’re claiming a moral win. It’s a novel approach, I’ll give you that.

    • Accy March 8, 2018 at 9:27 am

      Ordinarily I’d say no, not at all. As it happens, we weren’t as cynical (experienced) as they were. They did things Dele has been pulled up on in the past.

      This post was about not falling woefully shy of the mark.

      • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 9:29 am

        Final score emphatically proves otherwise.

        • Accy March 8, 2018 at 9:30 am

          woefully, though?

          • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 9:52 am

            You can’t be ‘a bit pregnant’

            We were at home with an away goal advantage. We were indeed woefully shy of the mark.

  • Dancingbarber March 8, 2018 at 9:20 am

    Supporting Spurs for me has always been about the football never about trophies. If it was about trophies I’d go support someone else.
    Last couple of seasons we have played wonderful football again. I can admit City have started to get there too as did Ar##nal years ago. We have always played it the way I like. Sure I get gutted when we lose, but it happens.
    As for Juve they won, but with some brutal tackling and cynical fouls that get no admiration from me.

    • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 9:22 am

      But you’re a notorious arsehole. So your comment here is unsurprising.

  • Panama Paul March 8, 2018 at 9:12 am

    On the balance of things, I’d say that those down at UEFA HQ are breathing easier now that a potential fly in their ointment has been removed. The quarter finals will be the usual love-fest of big-money clubs that fit in UEFA’s big-money profile. I may avoid watching CL football from here on in as, despite the abundance of so-called world-class players, the standard of football is pretty ordinary and the winning-is-everything philosophy kills the enjoyment and visual spectacle of the beautiful game. I accept the comments that we were naive and Poch was in a self-induced coma in the second half but I would hate to see Spurs reduced to using dubious methods to win a football match (euphemistically described as ‘experience’) such as Juventus did (I will never condone diving or other methods used by some Spurs players to con refs). But I guess they’re still in with a shout of a pot and we aren’t, so for some, that’s all that matters about football.

    • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 9:28 am

      Brilliant- the Champions League is not only overrated but their not our kind of people. Who is, Rochdale? Best competition on earth that has even eclipsed the World Cup.

      You sound like someone who didn’t get invited to a party so now you’re telling every you don’t like parties.

      • Panama Paul March 8, 2018 at 10:11 am

        Not all at Harry. My opinion is that UEFA has a demographic of teams that they see as suitable for the pointy end of the CL campaign. Spurs do not fit that profile. The co-efficient system is there to help the privileged. Our football was good enough to get us there but my thought is that Spurs aren’t a big enough club in UEFA’s eyes because we don’t buy high-priced high-end players and pay squillions in wages.
        If anyone enjoys watching the dross served up in some of these later matches then bully for them but it isn’t for me. That’s just my opinion. I love a good party, just not the knob heads who occasionally ruin them for everyone. The result last night was disappointing but life goes on. Undeniably, life would feel a bit better if the result had gone the other way. I’m still supporting Spurs regardless of who we have to front up to or how we’re playing.

        • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 10:18 am

          Not all at Harry. My opinion is that UEFA has a demographic of teams that they see as suitable for the pointy end of the CL campaign. Spurs do not fit that profile.

          Sorry, this is new kind of psychological damage limitation. I would say don’t do it to yourself, but I more than get the sense you’re beyond repair.

        • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 10:23 am

          Crikey.

          • Panama Paul March 8, 2018 at 10:27 am

            It’s okay, I’m damaged goods.

            • Freund or Foe March 8, 2018 at 10:27 am

              Ain’t we all, love.

            • Harry Hotspur March 8, 2018 at 10:43 am

              You must be if you think a commercial organisation the size of UEFA has an agenda to keep teams like Spurs at bay. This is ‘BruceLee is still alive and working undercover for the Hong Kong police’ territory.

              As for the non-specific ‘Champions League football isn’t very nice’ business, that really is lamentable. Maybe we could get North Korea to buy us and then we’ll win every game behind closed doors and none of the nasty people would spoil things?

              I find your take on last night eye-spinningly mad.

  • Potched March 8, 2018 at 9:04 am

    Llamella substitution was a mistake. He passes sideways and backwards. I knew we were in trouble when he came on, why not our most recent signing instead?

  • Camus March 8, 2018 at 9:02 am

    Barzagli – what a cunt. Used to admire him as a great defender but was a total cheating cunt last night.

    • richspurs March 8, 2018 at 9:08 am

      But, but, but,……… he was instrumental in beating us,

    • Panama Paul March 8, 2018 at 9:15 am

      Don’t you mean a “highly experienced” Italian defender?

      • Camus March 8, 2018 at 9:36 am

        That might be what “Fletch” or Jenas would call him, yeah. I call him a cunt.

        • Panama Paul March 8, 2018 at 10:16 am

          Well put 🙂

  • richspurs March 8, 2018 at 9:00 am

    I agree with “Woefully shy off the mark”. Apt, on the button. The Old Cow pulled our trousers down and we were exposed, had no briefs on, poor substance, something limp, dangling in the Wembley glare.

    • Accy March 8, 2018 at 9:08 am

      I don’t agree. Thought we gave a good account of ourselves for 60 minutes. Allegri reacted well and changed things positively. After they got their 2 goals we played well again, and patiently, almost bagging a second ourselves when Kane’s header hit the post. Was it offside? Well, did that cunt stamp on Son a few times? 23 shots to their 9. They had 3 on target, 2 of which went in. Beaten by 2 bits of quality.

      We certainly weren’t out of place in that match. In fact, you might say we were the better team for vast periods.

      • Panama Paul March 8, 2018 at 9:21 am

        The irony is that it’s more about how to play well in the periods where you’re not actually playing well and the opposition is, that will determine if you win.

  • Sexy Beast March 8, 2018 at 8:48 am

    Feeling like I have a hangover but no alcohol passed my lips last night ☹️ Gutted

    • Accy March 8, 2018 at 9:04 am

      yep