Date: 1st March 2018 at 9:06am
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I took Bernie out for his walk only last week and a we heard a horse approaching from around the bend, or at least someone with a better than moderate degree of talent operating coconut shells.

Turns out it was an horse and a trap with an elderly gentlemen a top. I manoeuvred the dog with world’s highest prey drive up onto a verge to let the anachronism past but the old fellow pulled up to say hello. The lane we were all on cuts through the best part of 500 acres and with maybe a dozen or so humans living there. You tend to talk to each other.

Pleasantries were exchanged then the old boy reminded us all that there was only another 20 minutes of good light and he better skedaddle.

My point here is that while the image of this carriage was charming, not having headlights was the least of his problems. There’s a reason horses have been relegated to being almost novelty items. One reason they are still used at football matches is because 99% of the scum they are marshalling have zero experience of horses beyond watching them go round in circles at Cheltenham.

No matter how good the horse, how fabulous the trap, how tip top the driver the potential for disappointment and disaster is overwhelming. We had to let ’em go and embrace the motor car.

When the car was launched, some of them had little men in front holding red flags aloft. Danger here!

Where there are humans, there absolutely will be human error.

Does anyone know when the first recorded incident of drink driving was recorded, or the first incident of a man driving a car whilst under the influence if LSD, or the first time a car crashed because the driver fell asleep at the wheel? Me neither, but I guarantee you that man has merrily gone about his business of screwing up since he first attempted to eat an an uncooked chicken and poisoned himself.

Fast forward to the 21st century and the police have received 999 calls because KFC are shut. No matter how sophisticated the world gets, man is always there, spilling a pint over things.

Last night the referee and he faceless clowns operating the VAR system took human interference to a new depth.

The whole point of VAR is insure that the officials don’t miss anything that harms the integrity of the game, and not pause play in order to rerun any element of play more complex than a claim for a throw in.

I won’t trawl you through the entire shambles. Suffice it say it is difficult to imagine how the boys in the black shirts could have made a bigger fist of things.

Referee Paul Tierney even managed to bungle the Son penalty, which was kosher. You’re allowed to stagger your run-up, what you’re not permitted to do is feign striking the ball, before striking it.

Did VAR ruin the game? No it didn’t – no more than the last drunk man to get behind a wheel, mow down a complete stranger and cause unimaginable distress was a solid reason for the motor car to be abandoned and our roads filled once again with jaunty horses and traps.

Some humans ruined the game.

 
Comments
  • San Diego Spurs March 1, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    HH
    First car accident took place at a time when only 4 total cars had been manufactured. Half of all the cars in the world were in the crash.

  • Caspurs♿️ March 1, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    FAKINAVVIT!

    • Superspoz 🏆 March 1, 2018 at 2:58 pm

      Boiler fixed?

  • Horndog 🇺🇸 March 1, 2018 at 2:10 pm

    New exit blog

  • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    Very high gas usage today is highly likely to cause supply problems as mains fracture under the pressure needed. Always happens, from my experience at National Grid emergency centre in Gloucester.

    Meanwhile we await the blizzard hitting in the next hour.

  • Superspoz 🏆 March 1, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    My local bakery is under new management. Just bought a slice of bread pudding. It’s cheaper than a reclaimed stock brick but looks like one and is harder. I might be onto something here.

    • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 1:52 pm

      But is it a square meal?

      • Superspoz 🏆 March 1, 2018 at 2:57 pm

        About 15mm out

  • Superspoz 🏆 March 1, 2018 at 1:36 pm

    Var just neads t sort out “Ghost goals” “hand of god goals” “Pedro Mendes goals ” Thiery Henry walk the ball into the goal with your hands goals”. And that’s about it really.

  • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 1:35 pm

    Unlike the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff and Wimbledon Centre Court why does Wembley Stadium not have a fully closing retractable roof?

    • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 1:38 pm

      It does have a retractable roof?

      • Still Nil Nil March 1, 2018 at 1:45 pm

        Cos it was built without one

      • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 1:53 pm

        It only retracts part way covering the seating area.

  • gus March 1, 2018 at 1:30 pm

    What a farce, a game played in the driving snow, with the ref so overly dependent on VAR. Did he choose to ask for VAR on each of those goals or was it a game protocol thing? The Son penalty decision was ridiculous, any Brazilian worth his salt does the stutter step run up. I hope the FA rescind that YC

    • ronwol196061🇨🇦 March 1, 2018 at 1:34 pm

      Var will be replaced by sensors that decide the infraction
      Players will be replaced by robots (we are getting there) and Putin wlll unlesash his mystety missile thats invisible to hit invisible cities but I will always be a Tottenham supporter….just have to take more of my supplements

      • Jim,Newry Spur. March 1, 2018 at 4:50 pm

        Sissoko is an early prototype of a robot obviously.

  • TheCincinnatiYid March 1, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    VAR can work well in some situations—
    —did the whole ball go over the goal line?
    —was HK off sides when CE delivered the ball, for example

    But hardly in the situations yesterday. Fernando’s “foul” eliminating Coco’s goal was a figment of someone’s imagination—as I saw it—and 7Son’s stutter step wa perfectly legit according to Rule 14. Moral of the story—too much thinking spoils the instinctive reaction, not to mention slowing the game and endangering the muscles of the lads just standing around.

    Two fixes from American football and tennis:

    —review only after challenges from the negativelyaffected manager
    —limited number of challenges— one per half, and one in extra time?

    And one of my own: VAR challenge must be resolved in one minute or ruling on field stands; no challenges until ruling has been made in ordinary course.

  • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    Its the ego as well, the refs ego is a dangerous thing, you must keep it in check. They already want to get too involved. Giving them extra exposure by allowing them to do little hand screen signs with their hands etc is asking for trouble. A slippery slope indeed. Theyl get carried away and there’s no telling what theyl do. I always said it won’t be long until they have a graphic like the players at the start of TV matches. Doing that funky walk up to the camera…’and today’s officials……’. Nip it in the bud or else.

    • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 1:22 pm

      *minus hand

  • Horndog 🇺🇸 March 1, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    MiT
    Driving today. It might be a while this day before I can answer any discourse, over which time several new blogs could be introduced. My apologies.
    However, please do not wipe if off of the blog. This one hits home a bit passionately.

    I responded to this quote, and not the lengthier one, in order to save space. MiT is spot on and writes far more eloquently than I do. Having watched/been subjected to this type of system, here in the states, with the other type of football I unequivocally endorse every word of his passionate post. Don’t subject the last beautiful game to a system that potentially could ruin that beauty.

    • SpurAndy 🍒π March 1, 2018 at 1:24 pm

      Must admit I’m coming round to this way if thinking. Sad to think that every goal scored could lose that involuntary immediate rush of pleasure because VAR has to confirm it 5 minutes later. Not good.

  • Lilywhite without the ll March 1, 2018 at 1:11 pm

    Too hot or too cold…🤔?

  • SpursSince67 March 1, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    Yep, VAR fiasco but it’s just teething problems FFS, being from the IT industry I know the pitfalls of anything that’s Version 1 ! Will take a year or so to bed in but get used to it, it’s 2018 and football is already a decade or more behind Cricket who would have thought ?! On a footie note, really liked the Son/Moura/Lamela axis going down in the 2nd 1/2 which actually resulted in a hatrick from a striker whose confidence has been shot for some time, and yes I know it was only Rochdale but they were more organised than some of the lower half EPL dross we have to deal with, some really slick play which covered up Pochs bizarre team selection in other areas and substitutions…

  • Al March 1, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    Whereabouts in the country are you Harry?

    • Caspurs♿️ March 1, 2018 at 1:13 pm

      He is omnipresent, where are you…

    • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 1:14 pm

      Worcestershire

      • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 1:25 pm

        HH Joyce is very fond of the cathedral.
        Does the popular Browns restaurant by the rive still exist.

        • StuSpur March 1, 2018 at 1:31 pm

          I’ve heard the sauce is equisite

  • Legoverlass March 1, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    Despite all the talking points from last night the most warming aspect was that we at last look to have a Brazilian who can play in cold weather and who is actually going to improve our pace and directness in the last two thirds. Let’s hope Pooch uses him to express his natural ability rather than coach it out of him and uses him against the park the bus teams along with Eriksen to prise them open and create space and opportunities for other players.

  • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    For all the euphoria Rochdale nearly took the lead!

    • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 12:39 pm

      I was nearly called Craig. It still haunts me.

      • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:40 pm

        Odd name for a girl?

        • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 12:42 pm

          My parents had a sick sense of humour.

          • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:44 pm

            I nearly ate cold kidney beans and week-old salad sprinkled with sesame seeds and soil from the garden this morning.
            It was a close thing!

            • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 12:46 pm

              Being alive is so fucking dangerous.

              • Caspurs♿️ March 1, 2018 at 1:11 pm

                I’ve got to get up a ladder in a minute using a car to foot the bloody thing, maybe I should purchase Ron’s loaf insurance for $19.95?

                • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 1:14 pm

                  Leave it a day or so if poss I’d say.

                  • Caspurs♿️ March 1, 2018 at 1:15 pm

                    I have to fix my fakin boiler, NOW!

                    • ronwol196061🇨🇦 March 1, 2018 at 1:24 pm

                      $15.95 last minute deals

                    • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 1:27 pm

                      Bugger. I see.

          • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 1:11 pm

            Was tempted to contribute an adaptation of “Blasphemous Rumours” by Depeche Mode but the next line wouldn’t be all that nice. 😀

  • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    I am venturing out in 15 mins.

    • 61SpursNut🌰 March 1, 2018 at 12:37 pm

      And you’ll be back in 10.

      • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:45 pm

        He’s late.
        He’s never late. 😓

      • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 12:47 pm

        Over and out

        • Caspurs♿️ March 1, 2018 at 1:15 pm

          Duly noted.

          • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 1:29 pm

            I am back.

            • TheCincinnatiYid March 1, 2018 at 1:32 pm

              DD takes the point at 1:29. We’ll played by all.

    • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 1:07 pm

      4 coats at least…

  • Nick March 1, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    One ref ,two refs or a panel of refs,none of it makes a difference as some decisions aren’t black or white decisions.How far back in a passage of play can they go back to,to rule out a goal ? It doesn’t work in football & will not work in its current incarnation.Football is a game of opinion & is better for it than knowing for sure but each game lasting 120mins & nobody celebrating a goal just in case

    • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:30 pm

      Leave it to Robbie Savage.

    • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 12:31 pm

      I think they’ll get it right in the end. I don’t think football people/fans will let them get it wrong for too long, as is being proven already.

      • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:47 pm

        Once it hits home that we’re onto them, they’ll have to stop trying to fix matches 😜

    • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 12:35 pm

      This is it. If its used it should only be for things like the Mendes shot when they team is apolpleptic. Putting his finger in his ear after every goal when its perfectly fine is crackers.

      • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:39 pm

        VAR is making the officials so nervous they defer to others?

        • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:47 pm

          What happens when the others are nervous?
          Ooooooh, Betty…….

        • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 1:12 pm

          What happened to decent refs like George Courtney or Keith Hacket? That’s the solution. Mistakes will always happen no matter how many screens they watch.

  • 61SpursNut🌰 March 1, 2018 at 12:24 pm

    I’m just going outside (to Sainsbury’s*) and may be some time.

    *other retailers are available.

    • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 12:26 pm

      Just done similar, dressed as Captain Scott too….not pleasant. Go steady Oates.

      • 61SpursNut🌰 March 1, 2018 at 12:28 pm

        Ta, moosh. I had oats this morning in preparation.

        • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 12:29 pm

          Bonza!

        • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:29 pm

          I may need to view some video footage of your contactless payment, just to make a call on whether you did pay or not. So if there’s a hold-up as you try to leave, that’s why.

          • 61SpursNut🌰 March 1, 2018 at 12:37 pm

            I don’t do contactless. I can video the pin entry if that’s ok?

            • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:42 pm

              I think it might be best!

    • Lilywhite without the ll March 1, 2018 at 12:28 pm

      leave the rope attached to something strong and tie round your waist twice, its bad out there…

      • 61SpursNut🌰 March 1, 2018 at 12:36 pm

        I tried that once, used the back of a bus. Didn’t end well.

        • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:48 pm

          I hope the bus was okay! 😜

    • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:28 pm

      Just seen a polar bear skating down the street. Or was it the postman?

  • is Gascoigne gonna have a crack? March 1, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    Its always interpretation, therefore its pointless. Funny how nothing of note happened in the 2nd half , suddenly it was all OK. How did they drop from that level of farce to no incident? What goes on? Whatever the case, refs look stupid enough already without throwing technology at them.

  • caveman March 1, 2018 at 12:02 pm

    Foyth will be our man to bring the ball out of defence in the near future.

    • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:03 pm

      By next season probably!
      I’m convinced Toby will depart in the summer.

    • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:04 pm

      With Poch’s coaching I reckon he has the raw material to be excellent.

      • Nick March 1, 2018 at 12:18 pm

        Agree he has the technical ability but not tough enough yet.needs to fill out

        • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:19 pm

          Send him to Sandhurst in the summer. That should toughen him up!

          • Flynnbob March 1, 2018 at 1:04 pm

            In my experience anyone who ever went to Sandhurst usually had a very soft under belly.Sending him for 16weeks to Catterick would be better.

    • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:18 pm

      Is Winks likely to make the grade?

      • 61SpursNut🌰 March 1, 2018 at 12:19 pm

        No.

        • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:21 pm

          Ryan Mason Mk 2.

        • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:22 pm

          I hope he makes it but Winks needs to be more expansive in his play instead of sitting on the periphery.

          • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:23 pm

            He was one of my future captains—ouch!!

            • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:23 pm

              *is

          • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:24 pm

            Rochdale gave him a hard time. Maybe he hasn’t recovered from injury and never will 100%

            • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 12:27 pm

              Agree with this, we’ve only seen a few games from him since. Given the form he had before injury, I won’t be writing him off just yet.

              • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:32 pm

                And such a silly accident. Crashing into the dug out.

                • Panama Paul March 1, 2018 at 12:33 pm

                  after tripping over our own drinks cooler on the touchline.

        • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:22 pm

          I’m waiting for Oliver Skipp. Supposed to be a dominating DM/CM.

  • MiT March 1, 2018 at 11:56 am

    The humans *want* to alter your game.

    I cannot make that any more clear.

    Your game has been the same for years, with the same human error, and the same talking points after.

    It will still be so from here, but with a stagnation factor, and a Law Book that grows fatter and fatter.

    I take your point, and very eloquently made, sir.

    But they seek to alter the game itself, and they will. We have watched the same promise of practise making things better over the vast part of a decade now, and a result of sport and games that will now never be the same.

    This game was always the most beautiful. Fight tooth and nail to keep VAR out. This game is yours, the old, beautiful game of the old continent.

    This VAR will ESPN-ise your beautiful game into a cheap, ugly whore, to be pointed at over all of her warts and blemishes by the same talking heads you already despise.

    The reviews will grow more and more, wanting to review new situations, stopping the flow further, until… voila… commercials in between. Might as well keep the pleebs entertained while the players loiter. Feed them whatever trash that can be gotten away with.

    Ridicule me if you wish, Harry. But I am correct here. This game is not meant for bringing play to a stop, and its fans and players should not be made to question more and more of the natural play with demands of review.

    And the final point is… that most review really does not make a single play any less subjective. It only tends to make more and more situations reviewable.

    Don’t do this to the game.

    • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:00 pm

      VAR currently operates smoothly in Rugby Union, Cricket and Tennis.

      • MiT March 1, 2018 at 12:03 pm

        All are already designed as stop-n-restart sport, my friend.

        Please consider that. Football is very different from these.

        • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:05 pm

          Fair point.

        • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:06 pm

          That’s right. VAR will make footie a joke.

      • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 12:11 pm

        In different forms, Dilly. In Tennis the player has 3 challenges per Set, I believe. It isn’t used for every point. In Cricket it is used to determine if the batsman is out, or to determine close calls – 4 or 6?, was the delivery that seemingly resulted in a wicket a no ball?

        There may be a place for it in the form of a coaches challenge (of which there would be a limited number of) or similar but to review each and every disputable passage of play is nonsensical in Football. It has caused more issues in the NFL than not, and spoils the game.

        • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:16 pm

          Yes why don’t we keep it as it is and happily moan about Refs decisions as we have done since time immemorial. Without destroying the game we love clearly VAR can’t work in football so lets keep the Status Quo and rock on!!

        • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:20 pm

          Also for catches, stumpings, lbw. Quite a lot, in fact.

          • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:25 pm

            Indeed whee the majority of decisions are relatively quick!

            • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:26 pm

              *where

          • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 12:50 pm

            Covered in “used to determine if the batter is out” I’d have thought.

            • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 12:51 pm

              I said batsman originally but I trust you get my point.

    • MiT March 1, 2018 at 12:02 pm

      Driving today. It might be a while this day before I can answer any discourse, over which time several new blogs could be introduced. My apologies.

      However, please do not wipe if off of the blog. This one hits home a bit passionately.

  • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 11:53 am

    IMO I can now safely say I have known the hottest summer ever (1976) and the coldest temps ever (Feb/March 2018).

  • SpurAndy 🍒π March 1, 2018 at 11:48 am

    Yep humans are bar stewards. Disabled 85 year old FiL came out of hospital 2 days ago after nasty bout of pneumonia. Central heating boiler breaks down this morning and guess what unable to get through to British Gas to arrange an emergency call out. Even tried using their website to arrange a repair but site down. #unfuckingbelievable.

    • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 11:57 am

      Just had mine fixed by my landlord this AM who was on the phone to his gas man, taking instructions. If it’s a relatively modern combo boiler and has a Flame Loss code it seems that this was down to the pipe going outside freezing up. They just poured boiling water over the pipe (the one that the corrosive waste comes out of) to unfreeze it then they reset the boiler, it worked after that.

      If it’s down to a loss of pressure you can turn a tap to increase that. That used to sort our boiler out too in the past. Might be worth trying one of those options if you get no joy from British Gas? 🤷🏻‍♂️ Good luck anyway.

      • SpurAndy 🍒π March 1, 2018 at 12:03 pm

        Thanks for that Mys, I’ve tried the reset button but no joy and that’s pretty much the end of my tech abilities. They have a neighbour who’s a plumber so hopefully when he gets home he can sort it. Otherwise I’ve got BG on permanent redial.

        • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 12:21 pm

          Did you unfreeze the external pipes first? Also might want to run a hot water tap to get it to kick in?

          If you do turn the tap (on one of the copper pipes leading into the boiler) you should just open it for a couple of seconds, then close it to increase the presssure. Should be a pressure indicator dial somewhere, we used to just up it til the hand goes up to somewhere like 11 o clock).

          Any actual plumbers on here to advise?!

          Sorry if these suggestions don’t work!

          • SpurAndy 🍒π March 1, 2018 at 1:09 pm

            Can’t see any external pipe. Funnily enough I’ve had my boiler over 10 years and only this week found out how to alter the pressure! Can’t see anything to adjust on my in laws though. I’ve managed to book a repair online but earliest date is Monday. I’ve emailed back to the acknowledgement to advise circumstances but it’s a non reply email. It gives a glimpse as to how society would quickly fall apart if there was a major event like weather or lethal flu epidemic. Thanks anyway Mys.

  • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:41 am

    I know I went on about it yesterday but I think the MOTM yesterday was Lucas Moura. He was brilliant. Always looked for the ball and making things happen. Dribbling,making deft passes and using space brilliantly. Really top notch.
    Llorente did well with the goals and Lamela had a great game too but Moura was the man last night

    • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 11:44 am

      Spot on Ronnie!

    • caveman March 1, 2018 at 11:49 am

      I agree Ron, but I think Foyth showed us what a wonderful player he is and when he strengthens up a bit more he will be amazing for us.

      • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:02 pm

        I got glimpses of Foyth even though I watched the game. I didnt think either way about him. He doesnt look like a CB but I never noticed anything bad or great about what he did..we’ll see him more later

      • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:04 pm

        Foyth reminds me of the elegant Beckenbaur. High praise indeed!

        • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 12:08 pm

          Lol, either amazing or they should retire in your eyes! Ever though about finding some middle ground? hahaha

        • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:21 pm

          Beckenbauer was a Libero,a sweeper
          We dont have that today and certainly not in Pochs uber system

          • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:21 pm

            besides Sanchez would be a great sweeper

          • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:31 pm

            Yes but IMO the way Foyth motors quickly suggests he could be a sweeper?

            • 61SpursNut🌰 March 1, 2018 at 12:34 pm

              He’s not fast.

              • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:35 pm

                Well in my eyes he is deceptively quick!

                • 61SpursNut🌰 March 1, 2018 at 12:38 pm

                  “deceptively” being the operative word in your instance.

              • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 1:07 pm

                He would look fast running past some of those League One trees playing for Rochdale.

    • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:01 pm

      He brought the creativity we needed with Llorente’s first to get our noses in front 2nd half and become more confident.

      • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:05 pm

        We have always lacked creativity. Ye no doubt Eriksen does creative things and when he does its great but Im always looking for a player to play like Silva where is controls a lot of things (of course he has KDB these days too) Moura to me is more in the Silva mold. And nest we need a player to take Dembele spot eventually (the KDB mold would be best)

        • Camus March 1, 2018 at 12:08 pm

          Yes, agree on all that, Ron 👍

          • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:11 pm

            I hope Poch understands what Moura did last night and doesnt want to pigeon him in the uber system. Creative players need to play their game instinctively.If he lets Moura in and lets him do his thing.I think we will grow in leaps and bounds

            • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:34 pm

              Well Lamela seems to be playing his own game. His tackling really worries me.

              • David Dillenberg March 1, 2018 at 12:36 pm

                He could have been sent off — ouch!

                • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 1:06 pm

                  Concentrate on what actually happened.

        • Dan March 1, 2018 at 12:12 pm

          Poch has to be brave against the bottom half of the table

          • Dan March 1, 2018 at 12:14 pm

            I read that pep coaches the team up to the final third then it’s up to his players and their creativity behond that

            • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:22 pm

              Ok but thats where we have had the problem. Just before the final third

  • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 11:17 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5AUOWNg_sE
    THE BEST CLIMATE CHANGE TAKEDOWN EVER!
    And this on CNN! Just for you MS

    • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:31 am

      Lets get the scientists in. The fans at footie know what they saw. Var and the ref are the arbiters. Bring in the scientists to debate this right here. I call on Gloster as one to discuss this

      • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:00 pm

        Wot?

        • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:06 pm

          Wevver

          • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:12 pm

            The climate is changing. No doubt. It always has, it never stops changing. At times the earth has been frozen except for the equatorial zone, at others mostly warm. And the plates move all over the place. Humans are having an effect, but how much is down to us and how much would happen naturally is the debate, not whether it is.

            • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:16 pm

              Fair

            • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:18 pm

              For instance, seven thousand years ago there was a very sharp rise in temperature which caused a major rise in sea levels, leading to Britain being cut off from the continent. This major change comparable to current changes, occured in less than one hundred years, some scientists say possibly even in a lifetime of some people. Imagine watching the North Sea innundate the lands between East Anglia and the Low Countries during your lifetime!!

              • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 12:20 pm

                No big deal, it’s only Norfolk.

                • Stevo1987 March 1, 2018 at 12:23 pm

                  Oi!!

                  • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 12:25 pm

                    We’ve plenty of space for you lot here in Essex, Stevo. Just keep to the Colchester end. 😁

                • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:26 pm

                  You could walk from Great Yarmouth to Amsterdam. There’s a lot of human archeology under those waters. Apparently great hunting pastures.

    • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 11:35 am

      In a couple of minutes your old fella claims that the 97% of scientists who claim there is significant climate change are paid by “the government”, and starts banging on about Democrats. Prove to me that the 97% of scientists globally are paid by one government from one country, to support his view! Fuck me one deluded opinion and you think it’s conclusive proof. Back to Infowars for you, methinks. 😂

      • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 11:41 am

        The fact that the average global temp has gone down in the last 10 years might be a bit of a giveaway lol

        • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:43 am

          I dont see that but Im not a scientist
          I see it hotting up everywhere
          Yes we have cold spells and politically its a good time for those on the right as there is one now but where are they in the summer or when towns and villages and rivers are being attacked by the environment

        • Flynnbob March 1, 2018 at 11:55 am

          As humans we have been keeping record on climate for the last 150-200 yrs and in this time the current activity is abnormal ,however the world has been here a few million years and unfortunately we don’t have records to show if it’s the norm or not.As we speak ice caps are melting and sea levels are rising , instead of having a god complex and trying to change the weather we should be adapting to the conditions as humans always have done.

          • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:07 pm

            Shall we start by moving cities like New Orleans or Paris?

            • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 12:12 pm

              Houston had a problem last year, I believe.

              • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:15 pm

                Yep
                Just like New Jersey had a few years ago

            • Flynnbob March 1, 2018 at 12:25 pm

              Building New Orleans on the banks of the Mississippi was probably not the smartest idea in the first place but obviously at the time had lots of logistical advantages, Now those advantages have disappeared being so close to the river just creates problems but that’s another subject but a very good example of how things can change quite quickly .Is that global warnings problem ? I’m a bit rusty on the flood records there but I’m pretty sure the river has been high and low there for hundreds of thousands of years and has nothing to do with Man

              • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:27 pm

                WEll there has been a lot of towns and cities attacked by this
                The fires in California are the worst ever too

                • Flynnbob March 1, 2018 at 12:47 pm

                  You say Ever but Ever is since man made record of it and not since the planet was formed. I’m pretty sure that when they had the gold rush and all these little towns started forming they were affected by wild fires aswell .was that down to global warming?

      • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 11:43 am

        Back to Inforwars for a wank? Just because your brain has been washed in the Liberal Mainstream no need for the insults MS

        • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 11:48 am

          OK for you to say my brain has been washed in the “Liberal Mainstream”, but not OK for saying you wank over whatever conspiracy Infowars is peddling? Man the fuck up. You’ve said your fair share in the past, here you are, carrying on like you’re a victim! Poor Smozzy. ☹️🙄

          • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:54 am

            Lads can we get back to the science? Oh right we dont have any. Wheres Glos?

            • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 12:01 pm

              Just got back. I’m freezing.

          • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 11:56 am

            Sticks and stones and all that but to suggest i wank over Inforwars? Says more about you than me imo

            • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 11:58 am

              Says you’re sensitive.

              • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 12:01 pm

                Perhaps, we can argue all day about all sorts of things but i just think that is vulgar and uncalled for.

          • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 11:59 am

            Facts are that the Global Warming mith was just another way to sell out the Western economies and ship the jobs abroad to the far east ie Globalisation policies that have decimated the middle classes in the US and Europe.

            • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 12:00 pm

              True dat.

            • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 12:13 pm

              This is the problem Sexy you are providing information as fact.

            • Legoverlass March 1, 2018 at 12:53 pm

              Bang on. Globilsation towards a new world order and a one world government is at the heart of many of the worlds current problems. A global financial policy and system that seeks to distribute wealth upwards to the top 2% and which seeks the ability to use the cheapest labour possible from wherever in order to maximise that wealth regardless of the impact on national.regional or local economies or communities. Open migration to dilute national identities and weaken collective dissent. Whatever people’s views may be on Brexit what is apparent is the arrogance and condescension of European beauracrats who appear to wield great influence over our daily lives and what they believe we can and cannot do as a result of a insidious transference of our right of sovereignty over the past 40 years by respective Governments behind closed doors. The creation of a European State being part of the process towards a Global Government with no borders and no national identities. Millions died in the last World War believing they were fighting to retain our freedom of sovereignty and independence from a force looking to create a European nation state. Their ultimate sacrifice has been given away gradually over the last 50 years.

            • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 1:05 pm

              So the likes of VirginMedia employing people in the Philippines instead of the UK is down to “the Global Warming myth”?

              • MysteriousStranger March 1, 2018 at 3:15 pm

  • Camus March 1, 2018 at 11:17 am

    “Is Gascoigne going to have a crack?

    He is, you know……

    OHHH I SAY!!! – let’s just check the VAR…”

  • Flynnbob March 1, 2018 at 11:16 am

    Guys this was all predicted. Back in 1979 the legendary wordsmiths The Buggles claimed :
    Video Killed the Footballstar

    • Melcyid March 1, 2018 at 11:42 am

      Buggle me he right you know

  • legendary greavesy March 1, 2018 at 11:12 am

    Happy for Llorente, sometimes strikers just need to score to bring a bit of luck their way if that’s the case for Llorente then that can only be a good thing for Spurs

  • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:11 am

    The best footie games are when there its a free flowing game and the talent and chemistry of the players are at the forefront (Im not talking partizan stuff here).
    In the US they have cut games up for the use of commercials and also this VAR type stuff (those two things also go hand in hand) and the games have changed over the years (though fans accept it)
    Footie is much more tribal and Poch was right about emotions.

  • Flynnbob March 1, 2018 at 11:09 am

    Spot on .Var is a good idea for game changing decisions that the ref is unsure on, I.e. A player being brought down right on the edge of the box, or even close offsides.But can someone please explain to me wether Tierney requested the decisions or were the decisions forced upon him from some idiot in his Pjs in front of s monitor in a nice warm office .1 more point Does Var also offer up outside forces to interfere and possibly influence games

  • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 11:07 am

    Brilliant. Red weather warning for me now. Its fecking Artic conditions. Homeward bound.

    • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 11:10 am

      Got a sack of tattersat home, will be baking a few with cheese and beans. Comfort food.

    • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:14 am

      Its 1963 again. It was close to 1963 when we beat Crewe 13-2 after tying away. In this game yesterday it may well have been 13-2 without VAR

      • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 11:15 am

        Yep, just a nipper in 63.

    • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 12:17 pm

      Take care out there Glos.

  • legendary greavesy March 1, 2018 at 11:02 am

    I put this to you all on a post a few months back that it was being trialled in this current Aussie football season as to which there was a minor concern from some of you it is much disliked by fans here for the same reasons as occurred last night, on evidence it absolved the ref from any responsibility on the decision making exactly what I think he’s there for, for a hundred years or more referees have been doing a remarkably hard job very well and some not so well but for all you stats people out there how many off-sides do the linesman actually get wrong, very few in my opinion, human element is part of our world game it raises passions in our game like no other messing with it ( and dare I say it ) is not for the BETTERMENT of our game.

    • Flynnbob March 1, 2018 at 11:11 am

      Infantino claimed Car will improve refs decision making from 93% to 99%. Have seen them both in action I’m more than happy with 93%

      • Flynnbob March 1, 2018 at 11:12 am

        *VAR

  • Accy March 1, 2018 at 10:56 am

    CoopaTroopa
    Surely there’s someone at the FA with an ounce of intelligence that can see it’s being implemented incorrectly?
    The sad thing is I found myself not immediately celebrating the latter goals as I thought there’s always a chance it could be ruled out. Imagine if it was the NLD, we score a last minute winner, crowd go mad, 5 mins later gets ruled out for the most innocuous of decisions.
    I wonder how this effects the in-game exchange betting. Maybe a new market, “will the next goal be ruled out by VAR”?

    This was pooch’s point. It kills the emotion. Absolutely right.

  • Urbane Sturgeon March 1, 2018 at 10:54 am

    Irrational, reactionary hysteria anyone?

    • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 11:08 am

      No thanks, we’re fully stocked up 😆

  • Accy March 1, 2018 at 10:52 am

    CoopaTroopa
    I think the ref should be forced to watch the replay on the screen at the side of the pitch before ruling out any goal. He needs to have a clear understanding of why the VAR is recommending chalking off the goal and be able to reject their opinion. The ref is in charge… right?

    Yes, he was a cunt for not doing this. exactly.

    • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 10:56 am

      What is amazing is how the fuck do they test out things before they use them? They have think tanks that cant think thats the problem. Years ago Toyota created a company that thought totally different to them and so they brought in new ideas.This VAR seems to have been created in a vacumn without thought of what actually happens on the field.

  • Accy March 1, 2018 at 10:48 am

    Vikingyid🗡
    VAR is a Fucking disgrace. like one man pointed out last night. It’s just using an opinion of someone other than the referees.
    I really hope that the trial is just that and the idea gets binned.
    The only way I can see it being useful is to decide whether an offside goal is allowed or in fact offside.
    The rest can get bent.

    Totally agree with this

    • Accy March 1, 2018 at 10:57 am

      And red cards

  • Urbane Sturgeon March 1, 2018 at 10:47 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-OGaXe8W1g

    Son doesn’t just feint, he stops dead, planting his left foot tight along-side his right so his ankle bones are probably touching, then he sets off again for the kick. He couldn’t have been more ‘stopped’ short of tent pegging his boots to the pitch.

    The ref got his decision right; most other questionable decisions were the work of others.

    • Stevo1987 March 1, 2018 at 10:57 am

      I could be argued that encroachment occurred before Son stopped his run up and therefore the penalty should have been retaken regardless.

      • Camus March 1, 2018 at 11:07 am

        Correct.
        There was massive encroachment from a number of players.

        • Real Fan? March 1, 2018 at 11:26 am

          Mostly ours!

  • Real Fan? March 1, 2018 at 10:47 am

    It seems to be VAR is meant to aid Referees in getting decisions correct. Thus it should be used only if the referee is unsure of a decision and then, only if that decision is judged in the moment to be seriously in danger of affecting the outcome of the game…a potential match-defining moment. Mistakes should still be allowed to happen, judgement calls should still be necessary and are vital to the energy of the game.

    Light-touch regulation in this instance.

    • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 10:52 am

      100%
      The problem is it becomes an entity to itself. then a certain amount of politics come into it and its where the power controls. Footie is one of the purest sports with less rules than most sports. Put in this Var group and you have another controlling hand that wants their piece of the action. Yes it is good exactly for what you said RF

    • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 10:57 am

      Whats the point of having VAR if you are happy for mistakes to be made? Don’t make sense to me!

      • Accy March 1, 2018 at 10:58 am

        That’s why goal line technology is accepted. It works, and works well.

      • Real Fan? March 1, 2018 at 11:02 am

        I’m talking about mistakes for fouls/offsides/handballs in non important areas and at non-important moments in the match…otherwise we’ll be reviewing every fackky decision.

        • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:04 am

          100%

  • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 10:45 am

    To RF and MS re Dele as a CM

    ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 10:43 am

    Excellent conversation. And points that Poch should consider. I agree with MS that the role requires more responsibility and it just might make Dele grow up. But this would really have to be drummed into him. And I agree with RF because it could go wrong. But if it worked out then it would solve our problem without having to spend big money on a new CM.
    Both Eriksen and Moura are more Silva weights than KDB,and the CM idea would be a KDB and I think Dele could make that happen if he take it on

    • Sexy Beast March 1, 2018 at 10:55 am

      Don’t see it happening Ron, Dele is pure gold in and around the final third (for those that can’t see it you need to pay attention and look harder) No less than Leo Messi is pushing for Barca to try and sign him. Playing him in the pivot DM position i think he could be awesome but his contribution further forward is valued more by those in the know and those that make the decisions ie The Poochmiester.

      • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:01 am

        I mentioned CM is Deles spot when Dembele can play in the DM. This is only when we are playing an attack minded game.
        I also agree that Dele could play as a goalscorer but he needs to attack more often like Harry would and he doesnt. We have Eriksen and Moura both creative types to create and Son (and LLorente)
        Dele needs to find some focus and become great at something and stick to it (he has the talent but needs the focus)

        • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:02 am

          and Lamela!

      • Dan March 1, 2018 at 11:28 am

        Eriksen likes to drop deep sometimes , him and dele can interchange

        • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:34 am

          They do that now but we now have more players to choose from between Dembele and Kane’s positions. So we were talking about which player could fill the CM position if Dembele went back to the DM position for games we need to attack in (park the bus teams for instance)

    • Real Fan? March 1, 2018 at 11:01 am

      What I would like to see is a more attacking line-up when it is merited. If we’re playing 4 at the back, only one DM and then this could be Dembele if we want to really go all out. Trust the defence (when strong) to do it’s job. Stop exclusively using full backs that don’t have pace to attack and provide width (Trippier and Davies). Use a free flowing front 5 to really pressurise the more defensive-minded teams:

      Kane
      Son/Moura/Lamela (2 of these)
      Eriksen-Dele
      Dembele (wanyama)
      Davies-Verts-Toby/Sanchez-Trips

      • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:03 am

        Cant disagree with that as long as they dont run into each other. Chemistry is important

        • Real Fan? March 1, 2018 at 11:25 am

          We’ve got Poch’s system to avoid that 😂

          • ronwol196061 March 1, 2018 at 11:51 am

            Thats true. The players have no need to think.
            Do you ever watch what happens often when the ball goes back to the Goalie. He also kicks it short and then its treated like a hot potato like nobody wants it often to the point where the pressers of the other team push our players to make rash kicks.
            The players are not using their instincts in this case,they seem to be told pass it out but they should be seeing instinctively whats best.Im not sure that happens

            • Real Fan? March 1, 2018 at 12:38 pm

              I think that’s designed to draw other teams on to us ans then pass through their press which makes sense to me….or if they don’t press, we have free rein in our defensive third and that is also ok as we can choose how to move the bball upfield without pressure. Obviously in this scenario, we then need to figure out how to create in the middle and final third when they’re all set.which is when I get constipated.

  • Spursmyarse March 1, 2018 at 10:45 am

    Var should be used, but only in big games, or if the Ref needs glasses, or is a Mental Case, like last night for instance .

    • Urbane Sturgeon March 1, 2018 at 10:52 am

      If it’s good enough for big games it’s good enough; no? The ref last night did what was asked of him pretty well.

  • Lord Croker March 1, 2018 at 10:38 am

    VAR the new cctv of football. As H pointed out refereeing by committee. Another fakin opinion needed to make a decision by watching replays and consulting the book or a passer by. It’s total bollox in a game that needs to maintain momentum instead of referees running around imitating CIA agents. Get rid.

  • Urbane Sturgeon March 1, 2018 at 10:32 am

    Law 14: The Penalty Kick

    From – IFAB Laws of the Game 2017-18:

    A player who deliberately stops at the end of their run and then feints to gain an advantage is deliberately breaking the Law. This is an act of deliberate unsporting behaviour so, as well as the caution (YC), the player does not deserve to have a second chance to score. This stronger punishment should deter an offence which is sometimes difficult to detect.

    • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 10:34 am

      Can Tierney be suspended, pending attending school and learning his job?

      Yellow cards cannot be appealed. This incident shows just how wrong that state of affairs is.

  • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 10:28 am

    The point is this. Referees are already a mixed bunch, as we all know. VAR just enables them to make a bigger mess of a game than they already do.

    Worse not better.

    • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 10:31 am

      The VAR is in fact a great way of making life easier for the refs. This is all down to very stupid implementation.

      • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 10:32 am

        We need a better class of referee. Ones who know the laws would be a good start.

        • Urbane Sturgeon March 1, 2018 at 10:33 am

          See above post.

        • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 10:52 am

          This is loose talk ☺️

      • Real Fan? March 1, 2018 at 10:41 am

        Absolutely. The technology is a tool. How humans use it defines how useful it is…or not.

  • çaveman March 1, 2018 at 10:19 am

    Paul Dempsey and Savage were at their worst last night. They even insisted that Danny Rose scored the final goal even though it was plain that KWP scored it.

    • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 10:29 am

      This was something I was going to touch on later.

      There was a nasty bout of ‘they all look the same’ as they praised Rose 3 or 4 times before realising but not acknowledging it was KWP. Then every time KWP had the ball they gushed endlessly to distance themselves from suspicion.

      • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 10:36 am

        Correct.

        A case of “some of my best friends are…”

        • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 10:50 am

          100%

          They drew just short of the old, ‘he’s such an excellent player and in all this snow, you wouldn’t know he wasn’t white, Robbie’…

    • gloster1861 March 1, 2018 at 10:31 am

      They also said Rose was involved down by our corner flag in a defensive tussle. It was KWP, you could clearly see the number 37 on his shirt.

      Racists? They all look the same you see… 😕😣

  • çaveman March 1, 2018 at 10:14 am

    Juan Foyth was just brilliant last night. We have a real footballing defender on our hands. Delightful to watch. Hope he strengthens up quickly. What a player.

  • JohnSpursMan March 1, 2018 at 10:03 am

    Aside from VAR, which obviously will have teething problems and unless used in the most fluid fashion possible, will suck.

    Players that came in last night did well. Are you still sure HH that you want half the squad completely marginalised?

    Really happy for llorente to get a perfect hat trick. Moura looks ready to seriously push Dele, either to another level or to the bench. Lamela, balls deep as usual.

    • Urbane Sturgeon March 1, 2018 at 10:29 am

      Re Moura; easy Tiger, it was Rochdale.

  • Camus March 1, 2018 at 9:53 am

    Anyone proficient in the art of lip-reading?
    The Rochdale boss is clearly old-school and didn’t “do a Nathan Redmond” with a hand covering his mouth while he chuntered on. He had a lot to say to the referee chump just before the 2nd half kicked off and then again at full-time.

    Can anyone translate, please?
    A prize* for the most imaginative suggestion…

    (*probably no prize, just for giggles)

    • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 10:06 am

      I’ve left my snood on the bus, would you mind faking a VAR decision so I can pop out and get it?

      • Camus March 1, 2018 at 11:05 am

        It’s a good shout, dude.

    • Panama Paul March 1, 2018 at 11:47 am

      Any chance you could ask the VAR ref to switch over to Corrie Street for about half an hour then?

  • Camus March 1, 2018 at 9:45 am

    Looking into my crystal ball, I can foresee more VAR-related FA Cup mayhem for us vs either Chelsea or Yanited. Possibly both.

    VAR scandals and brown envelopes.

    Probably Andre Marriner up to his neck in it.

    • Panama Paul March 1, 2018 at 9:49 am

      Surely not Andre “Ï love the smell of used notes in the morning” Marriner?

      • Camus March 1, 2018 at 9:50 am

        The very same.

  • Freund or Foe March 1, 2018 at 9:41 am

    LSD driving. Looking back at my younger self, how was that even possible? Crikey. I apologise to all the poor rabbits of the Dengie peninsula. At least I think they were rabbits.

  • Panama Paul March 1, 2018 at 9:39 am

    VAR- the good, the bad and the ugly. We copped the ugly.

    In my opinion VAR should be at the request of the referee or his two assistants if they deem it necessary to prevent an unfair advantage if they are not 100% certain i.e off sides leading to goals, simulation for free kick or penalty, an action that could be a foul that gives the ‘fouling’ player a clear advantage or the fouled player a clear disadvantage and possibly violent off the ball incidents not directly seen by the three officials.

    It should not be controlled by the VAR ref when he spots something. The match ref should be able to view the replay and make his decision. If the assistant ref made the call, they should also be involved but ultimately the match ref gets to call it. Nor should it be used to challenge or delay the awarding of perfectly legitimate goals. Its overuse in rugby and rugby league kills the game. The refs are almost scared to award tries until the VAR gives the green light.

    Apologies for the re-post from previous blog. It seemed more appropriate to post it here.

  • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 9:31 am

    This should have never been allowed near full professional games until they had developed it and fine tuned it.

    What we have right now is a bunch of pissed people having goes at flying helicopters. No surprise it’s carnage. No surprise whatsoever. Consequently I cannot get worked up about it. And I can get worked up by fuck all in a heartbeat.

    • CoopaTroopa March 1, 2018 at 9:53 am

      I think the ref should be forced to watch the replay on the screen at the side of the pitch before ruling out any goal. He needs to have a clear understanding of why the VAR is recommending chalking off the goal and be able to reject their opinion. The ref is in charge… right?

      • Urbane Sturgeon March 1, 2018 at 10:06 am

        That’s how they’ve bin doing it in Italy, worked well from the one match I saw.

      • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 10:09 am

        Correct. What we got last night was decision by committee – with half the committee in another room. Hopeless stuff.

        • CoopaTroopa March 1, 2018 at 10:19 am

          Surely there’s someone at the FA with an ounce of intelligence that can see it’s being implemented incorrectly?

          The sad thing is I found myself not immediately celebrating the latter goals as I thought there’s always a chance it could be ruled out. Imagine if it was the NLD, we score a last minute winner, crowd go mad, 5 mins later gets ruled out for the most innocuous of decisions.

          I wonder how this effects the in-game exchange betting. Maybe a new market, “will the next goal be ruled out by VAR”?

  • CoopaTroopa March 1, 2018 at 9:31 am

    Good analogy HH.

    VAR could be fantastic for the game, but not if used like last night. Should be used to assist the referee not lead and over-rule his / her decision making. It’s the clear and obvious bit that they need to focus on. Not the innocuous and subjective.

    Wonder what the FA will do with the 3 minutes of time they nicked from the 1st half? Hopefully use it wisely and spend it thinking about this mess they’ve got us into!

  • DaveK March 1, 2018 at 9:27 am

    There’s Luddites and there’s Technoidiots. Goal-line technology is instant and brilliant. VAR without boundaries is a stupid waste of space. If it has to be implemented then it should be up to each team’s captain to have 2 appeals per match as in cricket and the rest of the game run by the referee. Personally, I don’t think we need it, especially as all it does is change the arguments from referees on the pitch to idiots who obviously don’t know the rules in a box on Mars judging by the response time to referred incidents.

    • NickTheYid March 1, 2018 at 9:31 am

      I’ve been saying this, the captain it manager gets two challenges per game, if the ref made the wrong call you keep your challenge. It would also show what captains that make the best VAR calls, adding another part to the players game and makes the captain even more important.

      • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 10:10 am

        Last thing you do is drag the footballers into it. Ref gets a blast in his ear. That’s it.

  • Vikingyid🗡 March 1, 2018 at 9:26 am

    VAR is a Fucking disgrace. like one man pointed out last night. It’s just using an opinion of someone other than the referees.
    I really hope that the trial is just that and the idea gets binned.
    The only way I can see it being useful is to decide whether an offside goal is allowed or in fact offside.
    The rest can get bent.

  • Blanchflower March 1, 2018 at 9:16 am

    Bring back the orange ball. Couldn’t see the bloody thing last night.

    • Harry Hotspur March 1, 2018 at 9:22 am

      This.

    • NickTheYid March 1, 2018 at 9:27 am

      I was thinking that the whole second half. Fuck the VAR, the true farce is lack of a proper orange ball.

    • Real Fan? March 1, 2018 at 9:52 am

      Like the grit distributors, salt spreaders and de-icers at airports and on railways, the FA seem to have been caught out by what anyone with a decent wether app on their phone could have known. It was going to snow and visibility would be difficult.