Hello.
This was something that cropped up on the last blog and appears to have a touched a nerve. So where better to begin than trying to define what exactly is ‘world class’? Well, it’s an incredibly unique mix of talent that qualifies a player as being thought of as world class. It’s not just about that extra edge they have, that x factor, it is about consistency and it is ultimately about achievement.
Form is temporary, class is permanent is a phrase routinely wheeled out when footballer’s mojo goes missing. To an extent this is true. How many footballers looked like they were going to hit the big time, but actually fizzled out instead? So a sustained effort is required. You can’t claim to have been world class because you had a good season.
The biggest hurdle for those seeking entry to the inner sanctum? Medals. Pots and pans and cups and chalices. Big shiny badges and ribbons and balloons and streamers. Winning stuff. If anyone can name a player that they genuinely believe is world class who hasn’t won anything beyond a 50 meters swimming certificate then they are either wrong, bonkers or both. Football’s halls of fame are not littered with the names of players who didn’t win anything.
So what of Bale? He has had some astonishing moments. But going past Maicon a few times and the occasional Ronaldoesque fre kick being on target is fabulous, but it’s a far cry from the big boys bracket. I’m not deriding him. He’s one of the most exciting players in the Premier League. But the facts are he when it comes to being truly world class, he doesn’t tick all the boxes yet.
As per the last blog, think of Berbatov and Modric. Both were picked up by Spurs for modest amounts. sold on for what, nigh on triple what we paid. But this says more about modern football than it does about their status as world class talent. So far, both have been outed as pretenders.
Berbatov? Game over. He went to Manchester United and flat-lined. Sure, his wiki page will have a couple of Championships on it and a Charity Shield on it, but he won’t even be remembered as a Manchester United great. He’s a nearly man who went on to nearly be good for Fulham.
Modric is hardly worth dwelling upon. Marca voted him the worst Spanish transfer ever or something. At least Berbatov got some game time while the rest of the United team were busy winning things. Those two dropouts, are classic examples of how not to get remembered as world class…
So Bale needs to be consistent. Three seasons ago he was a defender, two seasons ago a winger, a season ago he wanted to swap wings, this season he’s a striker. I’m not mocking, just highlighting that there simply isn’t any stability there yet. He’s certainly reached a point whereby he’s the first name on the team sheet, but there’s still some way to go.
So what does he have to do? In truth, little more than keep on keeping on. He’s a massive talent and clearly intelligent enough to realise he’s on his way to being a great. He could be one of the world’s finest. But he needs to develop and fine tune his craft. Be truly consistent and then the rest will probably follow. But he all bias aside he should stay at Spurs and develop.
He’s not the finished article and so he’s not world class. Who the hell am I to say that? A guy who believes so much in his talent, that I’m convinced that there is more to come so when the phrase ‘world class’ is bandied about, it will be entirely justified.
le tissier class didnt win much
Watch every game where there are packed defences and see where that estimation takes you.He is one of the few that makes something happen whatever the conditions.
Is he World Class?
We did see him destory Maicon several times in the CL but he hasnt had enough matches against the very best in the world.
It seems he can beat anyone in an open field and is only thwarted by being triple defending when we the opposition parks the bus and even then he shines at times.
Tottenham need another part to our attack.We need the inside game and Ade or another striker in the box taking the heat off and Bale will surely do more dmage to defences. Holtby i s a key I think in helping create this inside game,where defences are focussing on more than one player.
Given daylight nobody can touch Bale so he is perfect for the counter and can finish off what he starts too.
Ronaldo has other great stars,Messi is in a system that creates space for him and they are both great.Tottenham have to up the ante with more to our game in general for Bale to be considered world class in the general sense with us.
Ronaldo also needs the space left by a pressed up defence Ron. Real are essentially a counter attacking team with Ronaldo their primary weapon just as Bale is ours. No surprise then that they are way off the pace at the top of the league, when they have played teams determined to sit back and not commit they have struggled, just like we have. Ronaldo is still world class though. The reason Messi is better still is that it doesn’t generally matter how deep the defence are sat, he will create a path for himself more often than not.
But LLL we have to find another way through to create.I wont mention who but you know who looks for space and makes himself available,he will create for a shorter game and can spring Bale as he has twice now.It takes the vision off of Bale and buys him more time to attack running behind the defence and mre options for us. I think this is critical for Bale and for us for the future
Who is it that you speak of Ronald?
ah this is the big question.
How many midfielders run into space,push the ball off,run into more space,push the ball off,presse the defence,see the path to glory by pushing the ball inside the full back to the winger.
Clue: Silva doesnt play for us.
cost about the price of a flat in Seven Sisters Road
Well, Jenas is at QPR now so it cant be him.. Is it towering Tommy Hudd? Super sluggish Scotty Parker? Lumbering leadfoot Livermore??? Dithering doorjamming Dumper???
I give up Ron, who is it?
Look why stop now?Harry just called me and asked me not to reveal who it is because apparentky there are thousands of people around the world now asking who this is and meanwhile Harry is selling shirts of a player to be named later to them.He has offered us 5 quid each so please dont mention it.
Thank you (dont mention it)
A world class argument.
Ron v LLL.
That could run and run..
And keep LLL ocupied for weeks.
No smiley included.
come on Bruxie be charitable
Lovely dog!
Harry supports the hoops and Harry
is that Gary Hooper
He is on his way to being world class. This is Bale’s comparison to Ronaldo at the same age:
http://cdn.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Bale.png
These figures factor in his ear to wind resistance ratios?
alphabet soup for accountants
Is this a joke?
when is the last time Defoe stole a Gaol?
http://www.voice-online.co.uk/article/england-star-striker-arrested
van persie won an fa cup 9 years ago and uefa cup longer ago than that- he is world class
bale is a world class ‘youngster’
there is no doubt about it- he’s the second best winger in the world and would get in a world xi
madrid are supposedly willing to pay upwards of £40m for him
he is world class
players can be considered world class at an under-achieving club
i can’t think of a single other player, that by the age of 23 (other than perhaps ronaldo- but not even sure about him) who has amassed a collection of as many top quality goals as bale has in the premier league
What is worlld cllass? Is it just Ronaldo and Messi levels?
Or is it any player thats makes a name on the world stage?
Is RVP world class? The surely Suarez is too isnt he and Bale?
But if its Ronaldo and Messi then Bale would have to up his game more,
If its about goalscoring here is the Premier league list…
Van Persie Man Utd 19
Suarez Liverpool 17
Michu Swansea 15
Ba Chelsea 14
Bale Tottenham 13
Dzeko Man City 12
Benteke Aston Villa 11
Lambert Southampton 11
Lampard Chelsea 11
Walcott Arsenal 11
Defoe Tottenham 10
Fellaini Everton 10
Fletcher Sunderland 10
Le Fondre Reading 10
Lukaku West Brom 10
Mata Chelsea 10
Rooney Man Utd 10
RVP has only done well for a couple of years. Half the time he’s been injured.
World Class is too often used particularly with players like Rooney, Ibra etc.
But I wouldnt hestiate to use it to describe Bale. His performances of late have been out of this world. For me the he works hard but i still feel he is has more to develop which is frightening. Rooney has already peaked and was never world class just a very good player. Bale is world class, he is one of the top three players in the premier league. Him, Suarez and Van Persie and head and shoulders above other players.
Great – He’s not world class, does this mean every other cad will stop trying to sell him for us?
Wes Brown has won more trophies, medals and assorted kitchenware than any English player of his generation. He is so far away from being a World Class defender. He was consistent enough to be a part or in his case a bit part of Fergie’s team for over a decade but his trophies are more down to the other players around him than for his performances, relatively solid but unspectacular though they were.
World class should be considered a transitory accolade. Rooney 5 years ago was probably world class, he’s not now. Aguero last season was world class, I wouldnt say he was this year. Torres of 2006-2008 yes. Torres of 2009-2013, no chance.
Ive always considered World class as being one of the top 3-4 in that position in the world at any given moment. Whether they continue to be is irrelevant. They will just be judged against different players at a different time, and if they remain the best in those positions, they remain world class.
Is Bale world class at the moment? Unless you can think of 4-5 better left wingers in the world at the moment then the answer is, arguably, yes.
I was having this conversation with my old man the other day, its hard to define, his take was that if you were to create a world team a squad if you will of 25 players would they get into that team in their respective positions, its quite an interesting notion and on that basis I would say that Bale is or has the potential to be world class, he’s on the right track, Sandro is probably ou rother player who could eventually fall into that bracket, I’d argue that Lloris was already there
I think the point is that world class is something that is long lasting, and highly impactful. Bale is a very good player but would he make it into the top world XI today? I don’t think he made the last fifa one. Where does he rate to say David Silva? We should be careful about labelling someone with such a title.
He is without a doubt world class. And let’s not forget VDV….he even made Modric look ordinary when they were both on the pitch.
So using your logic, Th$#ry H#$ry wasn’t world class because he totally flopped at Juventus. Same goes for Ian Rush, Ber#$mp at inter, Shevchenko at Chelsea, Ibrahimovic at Barcelona…there is a massive list of World class players who have flopped at one time or another. Agreed Bale still has much to prove, but by the same token, he hasn’t flopped yet so comparing him to the Modric and Berbatov situations is a moot point. Berbatov at Spurs was world class. He was/is a far superior player to Danny Wellbeck who still got more game time at United.
Last line is a sucker blow. Berbatov was / is one of the most talented players in world football. Anyone who would argue that Hernandez, Welbeck or even Rooney are more skillful would be a sucker. Yet by HH’s criteria, they ate closer to being world class by virtue of appearances at Utd.
“Yet by HH’s criteria, they ate closer to being world class by virtue of appearances at Utd.”
I didn’t say that. What I said is that the guy blew it. He will not be remembered as a world class player. And FYI, Hernandez, Welbeck & Rooney?
None of them are world class.
But none if them blew it at Utd. The reasons for Berbatov failing at Utd could come down to many things and not merely a lack of requisite talent – as proven by the comparably less talented players mentioned making a success there. Can you not see that?
Berbatov is without doubt world class, give him the service he will score goals – loads of them. The problem with Berbatov at ManU wasn’t Berbatov, it was Fergie. He didn’t like the fact that Berba “appeared” lazy and didn’t run around chasing the ball all the time. That is often typical of top strikers, Greaves and Lineaker were the same. Berbatov’s goals to minutes on the pitch ratio at ManU was the best in the PL over the time he was there but even that didn’t satisfy Fergie.
To paraphrase Ian Botham (I think) good players can do exceptional things, great players can do exceptional things when it matters most. In other words game changing performances against the toughest opposition in the biggest matches, not just (to use another cricketing term) a ‘flat track bully’. Bale has done some exceptional things, some on the big stage. He needs to do that more to be world class.
Daniel Levy to AVB: “Did you see that fucking headline by the Boy Hotspur,what a load of shit.He is going to cost me 10 million in the flash of an eye/Not World Class???????????? Get onto fleet street right away and tell them all he is world class,we need to recoup the bread immediately before the next window”
Sneijder left Real after failing to make the grade but who would claim he wasn’t one of the best in the world at Inter? Modric is the same, he was one of the best midfielders in the world with us. Does that mean he’s “world class”? Who cares, people can’t even agree on the criteria so lets just keep it simple. Modric was a great player for us and the best centre mid we’d had for a long while.
Bale is also a great player and will likely get even better. No point splitting hairs about a lazy, overused term.
The end.
Harry see what Harry says….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19957299
I read this one as ‘acid bath’ http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21435045
Its an interesting game though.
RM won the European cup something like the first 6 or 7 years of its existence. Alex and Jose are two of the (and maybe THE) best
Its a chance to JM to redeem himself this season and a chance for United to see how good they really are this season.
The tactics will be interesting.Cant see RM pressing though but Alex must play a bit cagey to stop Ronaldo in an open field on the counter.
Will be interesting though.Will the United Midfield hold Ronaldo?
Of course Bale is world class, personally i think thats a silly question, and i think you are trying to be clever.
for me the features that make you world class are:
a.) skill level – bales is exceptional
b.) Demand – Bale is wanted by every top club across Europe (the leagues that really matter)
c.) Price – Bale would require transfer fee of 40m plus
d.) Fear factor – every team place at least 2 defenders on him
e.) could he get into every team across the world – well at least 98% of them
so yes he is world class.
It all sounds a bit like a playground argument…
Girl no. 1: You,re a stinky grunt slap!
Girl no. 2: No, YOU’RE a stinky grunt slap!
Grown up: Girls please! You cannot decide which of you is a stinky grunt slap until you’ve agreed what the phrase stinky grunt slap means.
I think you struck gold here HH, this can go on forever now, world class indeed.
I did not rate Beckenbauers goal scoring ratio that much, or Cruyffs World Cup Runners up merits, we havent seen world class – all boxes ticked – since the true Ronaldo and Maradona now, have we? All things considered just gives illustration to the demise of true praise from exaggerated use of superlatives, from one week to the other, at this rate Walker (your favorite) eill put in a world-class performance next week, to justify his claim for being a world-class “defender”, the week after that, along with i don’t know, world class CM scott parker or whoever has a good run of games. They are all good, some better than other, by my account, only Messi verges on great (or world class if you like -whatever), but he still needs International glory on the large scale, and yes, that does mean winning somerhing(even second place) with Argentina.
We all love gareth, and they are all world class, from time to time.
The game has moved on. International football is no longer the big stage for the worlds best talent. Club football is richer and the worlds richest clubs can assemble the worlds finest talent, making the CL the true place to see football played at its peak. By your reckoning Bale has no chance of ever achieving world class status since Wales wont ever win anything. Flawed logic there.
Oh i think you are perfectly right there, however when i think about what added to the legend status of most of the legends, i still lean towards the big cups as a big part in legend defintion status.
Maradona, Zidane, Platini, Ronaldo (real one), Romario, van basten, cruyff, beckenbauer, maldini, zoff, baresi, Pele, eusebio, hell even B. Moore if you must, are world class legends,
Messi, ronaldo (name-alike), gazza, giggs, le tissier, Laudrup, Boniek, Batistuta, hoddle are/were all world class on their day and some even touching on / moving into World legend status (we have our own. Personally i fully believe that the worlds greatest world class player legend ever is one Graham Roberts).
And then a big number of “world class” performing players, at any given time of year, Bale, Gerrard, Lampard, modric, Ribery, xavi, Iniesta, pick your flavour of the month.
This will always be subjective to personal opinion, HH struck gold
Ahhhh, the very idea that a player cannot be a great until they have won anything on a world stage is ridiculous!
Messi is one of the best players to have ever worn a pair of boots, to say hes not a great because he hasnt won with argentina is utter nonsense.
What about Giggs? Best? Law? Weah? Puskas? The list is endless!!!!
The whole ‘winning stuff’ thing is bogus too. John Terry has won a lot of trophies. Is he more world class than Bale?
Messi could play for Spurs and it wouldn’t be his medals that made him world class. It would be the visible fact that he is the greatest player currently playing the game! Trophies are a by-product, and I’m sure Bale will win some. I hope at least 1 with Spurs.
The view from Argentina isn’t that Messi hasn’t won anything-It’s he hasn’t performed- that’s a massive difference
It is different, but it still isn’t that relevant. International cup competition is not what it used to be.
You can only be judged on what’s out there right now and there’s International-European and domestic football in which quality players play in and are judged on-and Messi definitely doesn’t figure as WC in the eyes of most Argentinians, and that’s a fact LLL
If that is indeed a fact then it is also a fact that they are wrong. If Messi isn’t world class then we may as well give up on the term altogether.
On football terms maybe ridiculous, but building the legend of a legend, i think its inportant still. As you are all perfectly foreseeing the future of true world class players and legends here, dont mind me, however i do believe that international achievements are accounted for in the general public still. (You may possibly be english, in which case i understand the need to berate international tournaments
)
Everybody can recognize and appreciate talent when they see it, (and rate it as “world class”), few players have the full package which builds the true legend, talent -as stated we sll recognize that – and the results that go with that, and yes, that means winning something, (or losing with great glory) with one or more of the teams, AND the country you happen to represent.
On Saturday he wasn’t just good at his usual direct stuff, he was influential in a way I’ve not seen him before.
He’s learned when and how to play centrally, rather than last year where he was labelled an indulgent Ronaldo wannabe.
Holtby (/ Dempsey / Sigg) has ability to drift wide now, meaning Bale can drift into the middle without us loosing our shape.
He’s finding the space to hurt teams – I really think he’s going to take off now.
Complete and utter tosh and the criteria you are using is over complicated and the comparisons you draw totally flawed.
Is he one of the most talented and coveted players in world football today? Yes he is. There’s your answer. Unless you believe there are only 2 players who deserve the title then he is one of the worlds best in his position. Who is better? If you can name one player who plays in his spot currently who is better, can you name 2 or 3? Didn’t think so.
What spot does he play then ? Lets have the definitive answer from he who knows all, even AVB is undecided as to his best position but you’re going to put us all right.
Is that a trick question? He’s a left winger, with a license to roam.
So he’s a left sided midfielder, been with Spurs for 5 seasons now. Are you honestly trying to tell me that Bale has achieved more for Spurs in 5 seasons than Andres Inesta has for Barcelona ? Remember at first playing #3 bale was dropped in favour of BAE. This new role may well suit him but we are only a couple of matches in, time will tell.
Achieved more? He is 23. I did say, if you can mention 1, can you mention 2 or 3? Because I think being amongst the best 2 or 3 players in your position in the whole world, elevates you into the world class, surely by definition
There can only be one world class player for each position ( the single best player Worldwide in that position ) the remainder are International Class, excellent they may be but not first choice.
Its a squad game nowadays. What happens if worlds greatest takes a knock? Worlds 2nd greatest steps in.
Current FIFA World Eleven
As voted Ballon D’Or 07/01/2013
Casillas
Alves
Marcelo
Pique
Ramos
Inesta
Alonso
Hernandez
Ronaldo
Falcao
Messi
Everyone else is International Class or below.
Casillas not first choice at club and yet best in the world? Every criteria seems to present problems
Voted for by over 50,000 pro footballers worldwide, but you know better.
Did I say I knew better? I said he’s not first choice at his club, and that’s Mourinho’s evaluation.
Quite possible for 50000 people to be wrong btw. Ever listened to the pop charts?
No
Had he been able to speak from the moment he was born, as the midwife held LLL up to mother his first words probably would have been, ‘How do I know this woman is really my mum?’
Have it on good authority his first words were “We need a F***ing striker.”
Its good to question stuff. There is some right toot floating around out there…
I thought he stayed on the left and was a waste of space roaming about giving it large?
I dont think HH has questioned the quality of the player, I think everyones definition of ‘world class’ is always going to vary greatly and thus the great division of opinion.
It probably fairer to suggest that Bale has world class potential?
In my view i would agree with the article, he aint world class in my eyes yet…..he is enjoying a fine run of form and long may it continue. Another season or two at this level and he will be World Class indeed.
Y-word army.
world class mean something less than an all time great. the greatest ever centre forward is too narrow a defintion. can i suggest the correct definition is whether the person would get into a world squad of 2 [3?] for each p[osition. if bale is one of the best two left sided midfielders in the world he is world class, simple
we keep hearing about ronaldo and messi, but does that mean the current best goal keeper in the world, who ever it might be, is not world class? with respect,that would be a dumb statement
Is Robin Van Persie not world class? Sure, he won the UEFA cup with Feyenoord at 19, but was hardly the reason they won. He also won the Charity Shield in his first game for Le Arse, but I don’t think that’s the kind of silverware we’re talking about here.
So, according to the definition of “world class” proffered above
-RVP, arguably the best striker in the world at the moment, is NOT world class
-Ole Gunnar Solskjær, perennial super-sub WAS world class
Eh?
Harry you have created goalposts in motion for those who want you to keep them in one place.
They are unshootable.
Even RVP couldnt score on them.
World Class is where you want it to be,in the eye of the beholden,with our wonderful delusional fans.
Gareth Bale is bigger than sliced bread and so should be.wonderloaf with wonderfeet.
he is our very own superstar,faster than a speeding train and more potent than a AK47 no matter what Piers Morgan says
*sinister laugh*
Yeah Harry how very dare you, Ronnie wanted to talk about Holtby, now Lloris is relegated to mere demi-God. Then you curve ball him by bringing Bale into the equation by suggesting he’s world class? There’s maple syrup everywhere now!
who?
Holtby?
Never heard of him but seeing as you mentioned it what about the option to Bale like
Lennon-Holtby-Lennon-Walker-Holtby-Bale
BANG!
Dammit, Pancake day was yesterday-and I meant to ask if it’s any better over there than over here?
pancakes 24/7 here
some people on here waffle a lot
You don’t say
well maybe
Sorry still waffling
My definition of a WC players is as follows-Could Bale win a World Cup playing for Wales? or even get them to qualify? Could Bale lead us to 2 consecutive league titles? Well, Maradonna did with both Argentina and Napoli.
Will, Bale be spoken about by all and sundry in 50 years time apart from Spurs supporters-That still remains to be seen as he’s 23, not heading for retirement. It’s nonsense. Thank the Lord he’s not a pin up boy-or else we’d be having a Beckhamesque debate-who incidentally wasn’t even close to being WC in anyone other than the media’s opinion!
Why can’t he be just a bloody good player, who’s our’s for the foreseeable future,instead of making him into something he’s not-don’t forget if you scroll back a few weeks-he was the twat doing bugger all, the was the twat fannying about in the middle when he should be n the left, fickle? how very to dare is do you Sir!
I disagree about winning the world cup etc. Messi may never do that, will you dispute his credentials if so?
Also disown the fickle tag – I’ve recognized that Bale has become visibly superior to all of our other players this season and I think that has been obvious even in games where his impact has been limited by being double or triple marked (that’s kind of the reason that happens). It was HH who has spent much of the season deriding Bales contributions, so I suppose even if he is wrong, he’s at least consistent.
Ask any Agentininan whether Messi’s comparable to Maradonna, it’s the ability to perform at all levels of football that made Maradonna what he was. Messi’s a great player, playing in a great team. In Bales case, most of the season many on here were questioning his ability to perform against the likes on Norwich and QPR let alone against the worlds finest. It’s feast or famine with people like you-he’s either WC or crap, why can’t he just a good player capable of putting in WC performances, something he’s clearly not done all season, week in week out!
Doesn’t really matter what Argentinians think. Patriotism shouldn’t come into it. Messi is regularly performing at a level few have ever come close to and I think most people (Argentinians aside, I’ll take your word for it) would place him above Maradona in the all time top rankings. And that’s just going on what’s he’s already shown. He’s still relatively young.
As for Bale, you can call him what you want, its up to you, and like I said I dont believe I’ve complained about his roaming or lack of contribution once this season. By my definition he has become one of the worlds best, by yours he has become a bloody good player. That’s the only difference it seems.
Oh right, of course it doesn’t matter LLL!
Why should the opinions of Argentinian fans matter more than those of Barcelona fans, or any other fans come to that?
Are you really trying to argue that Messi isn’t world class on the basis that apparently most Argentinians don’t think he is (I’ll take your word for it)?
Agree, but there is no definition on “World Class”. It is subjective. In my view you need to play in one of the best leagues (Italia, Germany, Spain, England or even France?) in the world. You should play for a top performing club that plays in the CL final group every year. You should preferably play for a national team that is among the best on the FIFA rankings and play in every World Cup final tournament. You also beed to have special and uniqe individual skills and to be consistent in your performance over time. If you top that up with also winning trofees like the World Cup, Champions League or league titles in the countries mentioned you are soon world class. But the final hurdle is to draw international media attention on you. If you are world class in the latter er you will have a “fast pass” to become so called World Class player. Beckham? Balotelli? Ibra? In my view: Not world class players, but all experts in getting media attention. Bale is not there yet, but can very well be there if he continious his great performances. Come on you Bale!
How can you play in a national team that is among the best in FIFA rankings, play in every world cup tournament if you happen to be “unlucky enough” (in football terms) to be born in a Country that is “small” in football terms?? You’re talking nonsense. What you are effectively saying is that world class status is dependant on geographical birth location.
Did they ever ask why the academy picked Dustin Hoffman over Rowan Atkinson
or whether Bobby Fischer was better at chess than Bale is at football
or whether Gordon Ramseys souffle is better than Alf Ramseys 4-2-4
He’s does a lovely syrup though?
who Alf?
ever heard of Alfalfa Ramsey?
when ever I get to London I get some world class chips from an Italian chip shop in Eversholt Street NW1 mmmmmmmm lovely
Saveloys,mmmmmm Ryanair mmmmmm
Alan Pardew’s still a twat.
Yeah, a right winker
Dejavu,is this all you can blog hh or tbh,whatever your name is,,we all have a view,,and your right he is going to get better which will mean he will be the best in the world,in his position,2nd to messi overall..
If this one has the legs that the Adebayor tardiness story had, expect a full 2 more blogs on the subject of Bales supposed worldclassedness!
He’ll do it now,just to get up your nose
I’m out of this-I hate the subject as it’s conjecture and I’ll continue seeing and judging the game through the evidence of my own eyes-and I’ll part of this note- only in the past few games has Bale stepped up to the plate this season, but it was only when Adebayor came on Sat, that the space he needed to expand his game was created, but the dumbarse’s who report on the games are so intent on ‘creative’ headlines, that the patently obvious becomes a hidden factor among their garbage
Ive come here for some conjecture…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
We’ve got snow here Ron. Pretty second class stuff though. I think for world class snow you’d have to go to say, Canada?
Ive tried it,I get the drift
some people dont bother they just get it via streaming
I remember when I lived there some geezer goes out and puts sand on the road as if he is trying to fool people they are living in Margate in July…never seemed to work.
Here they plow the roads quickly,take half of the cars with them. We had a huge storm a few days ago,its still around but the temerature dipped and its above freezing now so its slowly melting.
The novelty wears on when you live here after about 3 minutes.
Give me a cloudy day in brighton any day of the week
whats happening BC? havent heard much from you lately.
How are you doing?
Miss all those references to culture that I never read and have to google (sometimes I check out the bookshop at Fenchurch street as they carry that classic stuff along with books about the double)
Dog’s are taking up a lot of my time. If you are a retired postman and you sit around too much you drop dead apparently. So it’s jolly well orf to the field every 3 hours or so to stop my body crumbling like a Hammer Horror thing impaled by Peter Cushing and my mind slowly being eroded by daytime tv. I actually think that the cut and thrust of LLL and his antagonists is keeping me sane. Also my wife has suddenly started playing online Scrabble with some of her friends so my access to the pc is becoming more and more limited. Still I listened to the Shostakovich 8th Symphony yesterday conducted by Mravinsky which is pretty much the most miserable piece of music ever composed. I was utterly in my element as the dark genius of the music washed over me. Almost felt violated by it in fact. I find happy music depressing. I much prefer something composed in Soviet Russia in 1943 where man has almost created hell on Earth. I think a lot of Spurs fans would find an affinity for the music of the old Russian master as the music is tinged with sadness, regret and a good deal of suffering. Snow has almost gone now so I won’t be able to see if Vosen has walked up the path. Pointless setting the dogs on him unless he is susceptible to a good licking. Might be time for the teeniest scotch now but my Staffie’s ears have pricked up! Treadstone….
Peter Cushing was world class
Rachmaninoff for me I mean its depressiing with some life to it.Sad but dynamic,I like my sadness to be epic rather than abyss,
LLL, Adebayor was late, listening to you it was all made up. He was fined £160k! It was an issue.
If you like, you can exercise some self control and click elsewhere, alternatively set up your own blog. That would be a fun place…
Harry there is a place for antagonists. Protagonists are a dime a dozen so really better have some non paid antagonists around.
I know what a Protagonist is and an Antagonist but what is an agonist?
Is it a non believing arsenal supporter? becaiuse if thats the case there must be 75,000 of them
Bruxie
February 13, 2013 at 6:56 pm
A world class argument.
As I said above…
Ron v LLL.
That could run and run..
And keep LLL ocupied for weeks.
No smiley included.
And it’s my birthday.
So bugger off.
All of you!
Hurrah!
LLL
February 13, 2013 at 7:15 pm
I just knew…
I knew that you knew.
Just looking at our schedule
Thinking 26 points maybe a number
My hairstyle’s world class.
FW2, Very little available tonight, just doing Ronaldo to score first and Real Madrid to win 2-0 @ 25/1, worth a Tenner for an interest.
I’ve done Dortmund and Madrid double, and 4-1 to Madrid.
Later on as I had a lye in today I’ve done a double on Penerol and Quilmes.
You mean Penarol, Penerol sounds like a headache tablet.
Quilmes has a ring to it too
I think Bale is world class, but only with his left foot.
Going to nip over to Tesco’s again, enjoyed that Glava the other night, hope i don’t miss any World Class Sarcasm while i’m away.
Laguvalin.
Tasteless twat.
And I’ve speeled it wrong.
Who F***8ing cares.
It’s my birthday!
I’m stikk waiting for Hoorry Hatspurs present.
Where is it you prattttt?@
Is k next to L?
KKK is next to LLL.
Hic.
The wife don’t like me anymore.
HARRRRRRYYYYYYY…….
She’s going over for me, better bring me Glava !
Bruxie this is the 13th, have you 6 toes on each foot ?
All three of them.
So what you Fancy Dan.
Be I Norfolk….
Be I buggary.
What’s Norfolk got to do with it says the bloke in Norfolk?
Norfolking Idea.
Who let that Runton?
You did.
You did.
Is that a song?
Comedy at it’s finest!
You wimped out the other night on the rum then? You Tesco Tearaway. Sarcasm is a lower form of wit, Bale is lower form of RVP who is no World Class White Widow.
Thought that CockSpur would be a bit dodgy, better the Devil you know. May try it on genuine recommendation though, you try it first.
Los Lorenzo and I already sorted it.
Bale is currently “Business class”.
He has undeniable potential and this is what the hype is really about. No doubt if we built our entire team around him he would have an easier time finding space. But you only have to look at Modders to see how things can quickly change in a situation where you have to make it work as part of a team and not rely on having an entire squad cater for your needs.
Brizzle buisness class?
He’s not going anywhere
Have I told you yet that it’s my birthday?
Or am I being repetitive.
Start an argument now LLL.
C’mon.
I dare you!
Good night.
WAIT!!!! happy birthday!!!!
Taverymuch!
I got a card from AVB.
Where’s yours?
I asked Holtby to pass it on.He did but got a return pass and gave it to our world class winger…not sure where he went
Ok Bruxie…Holtby lets discuss….well how about you and LLL and then HH can jump in
They are all asleep.
Tread carefully.
I don’t want LLL on my birthday.
That was never on the table Bruxie, sorry to disappoint you. :Happy-Birthday2:
Thank you.
Mon brave!
LLL in response to your posts 5:12 & 5:44 where you say, Casilles not first choice by Real Madrid/not first choice at his club and that’s Mourinho’s Evaluation.
Could you enlighten me as to where you read this as Mourinho’s just said that his First Choice Goalkeeper is still out through injury.
LLL , He has been injured for 3 weeks, his left thumb due to being kicked by a team mate.
Why do you make up so much crap and then try to pass it off as fact ? That’s what 7 year olds do in the School Playground.
He has been injured, immediately prior to that Mourinho famously and controversially benched him.
Why do you accuse people of stuff they haven’t done and then slag them off about it? That’s what twats do.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer-mourinho-leaves-casillas-bench-again-sociedad-game-161616279–sow.html
He benched Casilles for 1 match prior to the break and 1 match after it. casilles then played 2 matches before the injury, Facts are what matters not what you read into it.
Did he bench Casillas or not?
Your world class if your greater than or equal to 90 on fifa.
Amazing Luck!
One shot allgame
Real were playing well great first touches and quick but nothing to finish it off and then one header!
LLL, you say immediately prior to his injury he was benched by Mourinho, that’s a load of crap, he had played 2 full matches and 24 mins of the 3rd when the injury took place.
When you are clearly wrong have the grace to admit it rather than dig yourself a deeper hole. You make things up and have been caught out for all to see and you are making it worse.
I know what LLL stands for now LIAR LIAR LIAR.
You are quite tetchy. The point about Casillas was a throwaway one. I said that even when you use the criteria of the Ballon D’or votes, there are issues to contend with. Such as Casillas recently being benched. You seemed to dispute that this was true and accused me of being a 7 year old. Then, when prompted, you did a bit of research and discovered that he had indeed been benched recently. I don’t quite see which part of this I’ve lied about. But more to the point, I don’t see what the point is in arguing about it any further.
He may have even played as many as 4 full games during that period, Osasuna, Celta Vigo, Valencia in La Liga, Valencia in the Copa, and the game he was injured in. Would you like me to check the facts ?
Why people have to tell Lies thinking they’ll get away with it.
You have not told me where you read about him not being first choice as you stated, i would like to know your source.
Eh?
Some people have also said that the Casillas injury is a blessing for Mourinho as his benching of him was causing too much grief domestically, where Casillas is a God. You see, the truth can often be a little more nuanced and variable than it immediately appears.
People like you who twist events to suit their own pathetic arguments you mean.
Um, no. I didn’t mean that at all. My post was meant to be taken quite literally.
But either way, you’re quite welcome to take it that way. Go for it!
People say many things, idiots like you repeat what’s been said usually adding their own twist, that is what’s called gossip, best left to the Knitting Club.
A 7 year old idiot at the knitting club? I’m surprised they let him in.
I hjave to say Ronaldo is player a masterful game……better than B…….Holtby…….but not much
The height he got for that header,great athlete.He just might be world class?
Only in jumping.
You’ve made me feel silly now
Clearly Bale is world class, but players like Messi, Ronaldo etc are Universe class. I grew up watching Maradonna in his pomp and always thought that he was Galaxy class.
Maradona in his pomp? I remember it as more of a mullet. Just shows that everything is about opinions doesn’t it?
Nice to see Hoddle on TV. But why is he wearing ‘See You Jimmys hair’?
Love the way RM are playing,they retrive the ball quicklyand one touch brilliant
That Rafael is not in the same league.RTonaldo amd Ozil unreal!
wonderful half!
I define world class in terms of would they be embarrassed being picked in a current 23 man ‘Best in the World’ squad. For me I feel three players in our squad are either at that level or just below…Bale, Sandro, Lloris. Go ahead, shoot me down in flames but that’s how I look at it – for me Bale is world class because I could see him playing with the best in the world and holding his own.
I don’t like to suggest topics for debate usually but I was having an interesting chat in the park the other day with myself along the lines of this topic. On the one hand I asserted that Hoddle when kicking the ball with his left foot was no more than national class, but when kicking the ball with his right was borderline world class. To counter that I contended that Hoddle was therefore an international class player. This clearly cannot be. As the difference in quality between Hoddle’s two feet when kicking balls was practically indiscernible he must be judged according to the higher standard, making him a world class player.
As you can imagine the debate raged for hours until Parky dragged me out of the bushes and chased me out of the park gates.
But how high could he jump?
Is Bale world class?
This is a non question. Or at best it’s a question to which there is no worthwhile answer. Without an agreed definition of ‘world class’ it’s akin to asking how long a piece of string is.
25cm
~10 inches?
inverted cocker
The length of a piece of string?
Easy.
Twice the span from its middle to one end.
the twine shall meat
‘Fraid not Ron?
its rope a dope without the dope
9.6 9.8 9,8 9.9 10.0 9.7
Real are in a different league to this United team
Different country altogether. Damn did I just fall for that?
what about Swansea?
RM are worldxlass,Man U are that part of Manchester class
It may be too early to talk of Holtby in terms of world classness, but the way he touches the pitch and then does the sign of the cross on his chest is definitely approaching world classness.
its world highness classness
Don’t you start!
Holtby for Pope
Holtby for Chancellor.
thats only on his mUms side,on his Dads side he is a good Kaiser
chicken bollox is coming on
My dog says “Are Real Madrid winning the battle for World Class?” Sorry, must have dozed off there and imagined the talking dog.
is he a left bark?
Great backspin on that Ronaldo shot
Has RM slowed up since the chicken shit came on?
He was world class when at Spurs. Has he lost his world class status? Can one lose one’s world class status? There are those that will contend that ‘once world class- always world class’ and there are those that will assert that one must maintain ones world classness.
My uncle was a world class hotdog eater. Sadly he knew only failure in every other area of his life. Unfortunately the skills that he had learned and honed over the years eating hotdogs were not sufficiently transferable to make a difference in any meaningful way. He lived his life in obscurity, but was he truly world class. Damn straight he was!
he must have scored the weiner
Die Hard 2 is on the TV and I just saw T2000 (Holtby) with an automatic weapon. He must be much older than he looks.
I bet he was mustard Spurstacus?.oh well I’d better ketchup on the world class debate.
condiments all the way around
He had lovely buns E76.
Sesame or sesayou?
Just when you think mankind cant get much worse. Mick Philpot shows up.
Who was the most world class tonight? Was the referee world class or shrouded in mediocrity? Too often much to my dismay we have had referees who have not been world class, maybe dare one say it even small moon class where the result has left us second in the class stakes. :Sad:
Go to the bottom of the class BC.
Been stock there most of my life. :Sad:
stuck?????
“He’s world-famous in Poland!”
World class simply means that you’d be picked for a world XI if one were being created surely? Right now, it’d be hard to argue that Bale would be left out of a world XI IMHO.
If people read “world class” and think “comparable to Ronaldo and Messi” then they’re surely misunderstanding the term. At least one of those two is at “legend class” with the other there or thereabouts! Those two are being compared with the all-time greats rather than simply being compared with the best the planet can offer at the present time.
I think if any sane person would read this blog we would all be committed
and you too
and him
What is this world class. Then, now or in the future Dont fuck with the space time continuim or Bale will be off and we will end up with James T Kirk.
I was watching a crazy dog running in circles chasing his own tail, then I came home and got on this blog.I think that dog was an omen.
You sure it wasn’t a video Mel, Scotty Parker’s 3 greatest goals?
As for t’debate….
Bale has the ability to be world class, whatever that is….so does Sandro
World class for me is, the best of the best in the position they play with consistently amazing performances combining fair play and good all round sportsmanship. This rules out the likes of players who bend the rules to achieve their goal which the boy Bale has been doing from time to time but thankfully not in the last few weeks. Messi is world class because he plays the game properly and achieves incredible results, Ronaldo ( who Bale aspires to be) isn’t because he doesn’t. How many times did you see Pele or Cruyff using a referee to gain an advantage? A world class player doesn’t need to…..
I think that LLL is a world class arguer.
he can argue wether he is right or wrong
he always argues the opposite view
he consistently argues
he argues with any opposition
he argues for the sake of it
he enjoys an arguement
he dosent care what the arguement is about
he is always prepared for an arguement
he argues consistently
he can argue til the cows come home
there you have it a world class arguer
I don’t agree with you.
You wouldn’t agree on the colour of shite…..
Btw, mostly it’s a browny colour….. In my opinion.
Haven’t seen white dogshit in years.
It went out of fashion in the late 70′s…..
good shout that was probably the last time i saw it.
whatever happened to spangles ?
Died a death along with Chelsea Girl and Watney’s Party Seven.
Drop me an email, I have a large collection, I’ll pop a white dog tod in the post to you, no bother.
So the rumours are true LLL, you do post shit from time to time
Wish i’d thought of that.
Why did you call your dog Tod? and won’t he suffocate, especially if you send him Royal Mail?
perfect answer ,like I said world class
He did throw the towel in at 8:18pm, he had been taking a real pasting at the time, resorting to lies, lies and more lies. Then there was the backtracking, saying that the previous statements of fact were just Throwaway comments, in other words the outright lies are really only little white lies and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Yeah!
A sad but honest word on Gazza from GREAVEShttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2278258/Jimmy-Greaves-light-end-tunnel-Paul-Gascoigne.html#axzz2KkLTcuaE
Yeah I read that earlier,Jimmy knows his stuff,
I’m so hungry I could eat a horse
and chase the jockey. Its all gone a bit William Boroughs for Oscar Pretorius.